UFC 241 Cormier vs Miocic II

[Naught2Sixty]

Stipe did get the better of the wrestling/grappling.

Define 'get the better of'. Stipe did good stalling DC against the fence but that style and position that aka likes has been thwarted a lot. Get the whizzer and track the free arm. Gripping the overhook and trying to get wrist control on the other arm. Prevents strikes from landing and the hands getting behind you. Andy Silva did it to DC in that boring ass fight, Verdum to Cain, Branch to Rockhold. Stipe did it pretty well but whenever they broke or clinched in the center DC landed the better dirty boxing so I would say DC actually got the better of the wrestling.

Oh I almost forgot Stipe got DC down briefly but also didn't land any damage and DC popped right back up same way he did vs D1 Rumble lol.

 

[KTFOvids]

He got the better of the wrestling by controlling DC up against the cage then taking him down. DC had nothing for Stipe, he was too undersized to do what he does at LHW.

DC absolutely got the better of the "dirty boxing" exchanges away from the fence, but stipe has no reason to play in the clinch away from the cage since he got ktfo last time and has a 6 inch height advantage and a 7.5 inch reach advantage. He also weighs less than cormier.

 

[theTKDguy]

manny + sandhagen parlay

 

[Naught2Sixty]

He got the better of the wrestling by controlling DC up against the cage then taking him down. DC had nothing for Stipe, he was too undersized to do what he does at LHW.

DC absolutely got the better of the "dirty boxing" exchanges away from the fence, but stipe has no reason to play in the clinch away from the cage since he got ktfo last time and has a 6 inch height advantage and a 7.5 inch reach advantage. He also weighs less than cormier.

How can you get the better of someone when you lose the overall exchange by taking shots and ultimately knocked out cold asking "what happened? Is DC OK?"???? 'Had nothing' is a stretch dude come on. Are you trying to tell me Stipe is going to wrestlefuck DC?

 

[PolarBearPaulVarelans]

He got the better of the wrestling by controlling DC up against the cage then taking him down. DC had nothing for Stipe, he was too undersized to do what he does at LHW.

DC absolutely got the better of the "dirty boxing" exchanges away from the fence, but stipe has no reason to play in the clinch away from the cage since he got ktfo last time and has a 6 inch height advantage and a 7.5 inch reach advantage. He also weighs less than cormier.

This is a wonderful example of not evaluating fights in an honest manner, but with a preconceived narrative in mind.

As for Stipe fighting solely at range, that's easier said than done. His jab is decent, but not especially good, and he doesn't have a dangerous left hook, which is essential to keeping shorter fighters at range. He's no master of movement and defensive skills, either. Nor will he able to consistently take Cormier down like he did against N'Gannou.

 

[Spounman]

I get the size thing that people bring up between Stipe and DC but I think people forget that Stipe picked up Josh Barnett and slammed him. DC was fighting heavyweight before he came to the UFC.

 

[edole]

Manny Bermudez & Casey Kenney bout has been moved up to 140 pound catchweight on advice of the California commission. That favors the bigger Bermudez vs former flyweight Kenney in my opinion.

That really pisses me off

 

[Jordan3399]

Stipe and Cormier both significantly lighter than last time. DC at 236 makes sense given he can easily cut the fat but Stipe came in at 230 pounds when he averaged 246 as champion with little fat.

Strange move unless its given him a significant cardio and/or speed advantage.

 

[null]

That really pisses me off

I hadn't bet the fight yet, but I am on Bermudez now.

 

[ill800]

Stipe and Cormier both significantly lighter than last time. DC at 236 makes sense given he can easily cut the fat but Stipe came in at 230 pounds when he average 246 as champion with little fat.

Strange move unless its given him a significant cardio and/or speed advantage.

Wonder if stipe is planning on wrestling

Would be a big mistake

 

[KTFOvids]

How can you get the better of someone when you lose the overall exchange by taking shots and ultimately knocked out cold asking "what happened? Is DC OK?"???? 'Had nothing' is a stretch dude come on. Are you trying to tell me Stipe is going to wrestlefuck DC?

How can you get the better of someone when you lose at the end?

I dunno, the general consensus is that wonderboy got the better of pettis before he got sent to the shadow realm. You can dominate a fight and then get triangle choked at the end. It's pretty straight forward.

In the very first clinch stipe controlled DC for about 1 minute and a half. After that every time DC tried to clinch he couldn't do anything grappling wise, just strike, which worked really well since he has the faster hands.

IMO this DC has the grappling advantage in this fight is a myth, Stipe is so much bigger frame wise and he himself is a good MMA wrestler.

This is a wonderful example of not evaluating fights in an honest manner, but with a preconceived narrative in mind.

As for Stipe fighting solely at range, that's easier said than done. His jab is decent, but not especially good, and he doesn't have a dangerous left hook, which is essential to keeping shorter fighters at range. He's no master of movement and defensive skills, either. Nor will he able to consistently take Cormier down like he did against N'Gannou.

There is no narrative. Stipe is too big and strong to get out wrestled by DC.

The fact that stipe came in 12lbs lighter would indicate his plan is to use a lot more movement. DC also came in 10lbs light as well.

 

[Jordan3399]

How can you get the better of someone when you lose at the end?

I dunno, the general consensus is that wonderboy got the better of pettis before he got sent to the shadow realm. You can dominate a fight and then get triangle choked at the end. It's pretty straight forward.

In the very first clinch stipe controlled DC for about 1 minute and a half. After that every time DC tried to clinch he couldn't do anything grappling wise, just strike, which worked really well since he has the faster hands.

IMO this DC has the grappling advantage in this fight is a myth, Stipe is so much bigger frame wise and he himself is a good MMA wrestler.



There is no narrative. Stipe is too big and strong to get out wrestled by DC.

The fact that stipe came in 12lbs lighter would indicate his plan is to use a lot more movement. DC also came in 10lbs light as well.

Go and watch the fight again or listen to the Dominick Cruz breakdown of it. Cormier was baiting Stipe into the clinch by giving up the underhook in order to set up the dirty boxing that got him the finish. It wasn't simply a case of Stipe outwrestling Cormier.
https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/7/...p-a-trap-to-knock-out-stipe-miocic-at-ufc-226
Thats Cruz breakdown of it ^, it looked like Cormier was losing and it tricked Stipe too but really it was just lulling him into the sense that he was being successful so Cormier could catch him off guard.

 

[Naught2Sixty]

Well...instead of continuing to do this...

Ima just say I'm now very worried about my Kenney bet, gonna put a unit on Jodie, Smith/Worthy does not start round 2 -130 is value, and am gonna arb out small of my Mazo bet with Dobson +110

 

[KTFOvids]

Go and watch the fight again or listen to the Dominick Cruz breakdown of it. Cormier was baiting Stipe into the clinch by giving up the underhook in order to set up the dirty boxing that got him the finish. It wasn't simply a case of Stipe outwrestling Cormier.
https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/7/...p-a-trap-to-knock-out-stipe-miocic-at-ufc-226

picks:
My thoughts after watching the fight the first time were that Stipe was getting the better of it, and then got caught and ktfo. It was down to excellent game planning from comier and his team.

I know, I've seen the breakdown. It was a great game plan. But the cat is out of the bag now. I'd assume stipe has been working his ass off to avoid it happening again.

After watching the fight for a third time, DCs eye pokes were nasty. Several times he flung his fingers at stipes eyes, and the one that caught stipe in the eye was legit inexcusable on purpose.

 

[Broe.]

so romero came in at 184.5. I think he will look great against Costa I don't care if he is 42 yrs old or 74, this guy is a freak of nature, he will find his opening and crack the brazilian wannabe.

 

[Jordan3399]

But the cat is out of the bag now. I'd assume stipe has been working his ass off to avoid it happening again.

It's not like thats DCs only path to victory. He could probably just force wrestling for 2 rounds and gas Stipe if he really wanted, and you could see he was mixing in low kicks in the first fight which Stipe has looked very vulnerable to before that JDS messed him up with in a couple minutes. DC has a lot of options here while Stipe, without big cardio improvements, is going to need a KO inside the first 1 or 2 rounds or find himself getting outworked and probably finished.

 

[KTFOvids]

It's not like thats DCs only path to victory. He could just force wrestling for 2 rounds and gas Stipe if he really wanted and you could see he was mixing in low kicks in the first fight which Stipe has looked very vulnerable to before and JDS messed him up with in a couple minutes. DC has a lot of options here while Stipe, without big cardio improvements, is going to need a KO inside the first 1 or 2 rounds or find himself getting outworked and probably finished.

I disagree. IMO DC does not have a grappling advantage. His superior wrestling is nullified by stipe's size/strength/MMA wrestling. IMO DC's best chance is his faster hands.

This fight is quite similar AJ vs ruiz.

You had the big framed powerful champ who looks like a beast vs the short fat heavier dude. The heavier dude also had the faster hands and the big framed guy pods forward a lot more. Both fights ended with the short fat guy KO'ing the big framed champ and both fights have rematches.

 

[Jordan3399]

I disagree. IMO DC does not have a grappling advantage. His superior wrestling is nullified by stipe's size/strength/MMA wrestling. IMO DC's best chance is his faster hands.

This fight is quite similar AJ vs ruiz.

You had the big framed powerful champ who looks like a beast vs the short fat heavier dude. The heavier dude also had the faster hands and the big framed guy pods forward a lot more. Both fights ended with the short fat guy KO'ing the big framed champ and both fights have rematches.

What do you mean Stipes size and strength? A lower centre of gravity favours Cormier plus he is the heavier fighter.

His wrestling is no doubt levels ahead of Stipe's too. What great wrestling have we actually seen from Stipe? Taking down Ngannou and Hunt who had a complete lack of TDD? DC's wrestling, MMA or otherwise is significantly better and a consistent, fully integrated part of his game compared to Stipe who either has wrestled heavily or just boxed opponents but never actually developed a fluid system combining the two. Not to mention if it does hit the ground DCs got much better BJJ. Stipe couldn't even sub a gassed Ngannou while Cormier got his brown belt from Leandro Vieira years ago.

 

[KTFOvids]

What do you mean Stipes size and strength? A lower centre of gravity favours Cormier plus he is the heavier fighter.

His wrestling is no doubt levels ahead of Stipe's too. What great wrestling have we actually seen from Stipe? Taking down Ngannou and Hunt who had a complete lack of TDD? DC's wrestling, MMA or otherwise is significantly better and a consistent, fully integrated part of his game compared to Stipe who either has wrestled heavily or just boxed opponents but never actually developed a fluid system combining the two. Not to mention if it does hit the ground DCs got much better BJJ. Stipe couldn't even sub a gassed Ngannou while Cormier got his brown belt from Leandro Vieira years ago.

Stipe has the much larger frame, he's natural HW. DC is a built like a bloated MW.

HW champ and FW champ.

Quite a difference is size, despite DC actually being the heavier one.

We'll have to agree to disagree about the grappling. DC no doubt is a better wrestler, but but IMO he does not have a MMA wrestling advantage in this fight. Stipe is strong and big and has good MMA wrestling himself which IMO nullifies DCs wrestling advantage.

 

[And]

You cant teach a old dog new tricks

Could you please elaborate. Which tricks?