Could anyone break this tutorial by MJ White?

[SandisLL]

Yup.
If one assumes, that a boxer reacts only on movements and only telegraph is about what to worry, damn hell.

A boxer perfectly knows, if opponent's hand position and stance is x plus a, then from this with heavy effect might be delivered punches b c d, to location e, punch type d to location g , h etc.
With medium effect this and this etc.

A boxer knows it before you start to move, boxer isn't untrained drunk in pub.
And to fool opponent even for 0,1 sec, of course better for 1 sec is hard task. Boxer is smarter than society thinks.
Yes, striking in boxing bouts even with celebrities looks not ideal, however this is not because they don't know how it is in ideal case. Reason is that for a boxer is hard to hit opponent boxer from ideal positions plus he don't stays like static maneken even for 0, 2 second. Of course, until damages accumulated. Then sometimes they behave like drunks, yes.

 

[SandisLL]

damn muricans! lol.

Yeah the Bruce Lee cult following is so silly, so many people think he is the undefeatable little ninja and he can beat someone like mike tyson or what not. I said it on here many times. Bruce Lee was exceptionally fast and strong for his size, he was a great martial artist, but what he is known for and best at was his movies and philosphies. His philiosphies were "game changing" at the time, but hes no different than chuck norris or jackie chan or something, you dont see people running around saying jackie chan is a undefeatable ninja, that would be silly, but somehow its not sillywhen its bruce lee, and he is capable of beating mike tyson, bob sapp, and ernesto hoost at the same time. Bruce lee is so bad ass he plays ping pong with num chucks!

I lurked a bit and NO, nothing game changing.
Ivan Gene Le Bell did bout with a boxer while LeBell was a judoka. So call it MMA bout.

Combined arts?
Europe had Savate and Bartitsu.
Pankration years before Christ was born.

Lee was famous with 1 inch fake " punch " and there, dears, only credentials necessery to provide that this IS fake is.... school physics book.
It doesn't matter, if 100 lbs distrophic or 400 lbs muscular superking says it, physics says it ; FAKE!
If one has doubts, ask teacher to demonstrate on you takedown from this stance even without punch. You will be surprised how strong martial arts king even old untrained teacher will become in your eyes. Bruce Lee No2.

 

[SandisLL]

Another interesting comparision; old Arnie was attacked from behind by some martial artist. Artist fall not Arnie!
Yes, I suspect that if Lee in his prime attacked even modern days old Arnie with notice, old Arnie will won quickly.
Fedor or Buakaw, even now out of their prime able to send Lee in his prime to Intensive Care Unit quickly.
Large, young karatekas and boxers too.
Old retired Karelin ... too.

 

[usr1]

Another interesting comparision; old Arnie was attacked from behind by some martial artist. Artist fall not Arnie!
Yes, I suspect that if Lee in his prime attacked even modern days old Arnie with notice, old Arnie will won quickly.
Fedor or Buakaw, even now out of their prime able to send Lee in his prime to Intensive Care Unit quickly.
Large, young karatekas and boxers too.
Old retired Karelin ... too.

What makes you think the guy was a martial artist?

 

[SandisLL]

What makes you think the guy was a martial artist?

Interestingly how guy with 0 training might be able even jump and kick Arnie in such manner?

Okey, I know that with Lee fan boys only one conversation is possible; her majesty KO with ignore button.

 

[usr1]

Interestingly how guy with 0 training might be able even jump and kick Arnie in such manner?

Okey, I know that with Lee fan boys only one conversation is possible; her majesty KO with ignore button.

Ive never seen that "technique" taught or shown in any martial arts, but I would love to see it if it exists. You dont need any training to do that kind of kick, just some athletic ability. He did get some nice air though.

 

[SandisLL]

At least jumped he quickly, majority of guys on streets cannot move so quickly.
Still, Arnie with too good muscles and Lee small guy so no chances for Lee.
Some people dreams that Lee was enough deadly even to beat large Sumo 400 lbs guys. In reality one palm strike from 400 lb Sumo athlete > coffin not Qi .

 

[Snubnoze707]

i'm not the one trying to bash a martial artist based on one short video of an impromptu discussion about telegraphing...

Either am I. Where did I bash him? I just thought the demonstration was silly, whether he was right or not about guys telegraphing straights. I even just watched Spawn the other night, I have nothing against the guy.

I'd imagine MJW is tough and could fuck a lot of people up, but those one strike and break karate "fights" aren't very telling.

 

[Sinister]

So him being right or wrong isnt as important as his presentation?

Floyd Sr. has a very similar game he plays to demonstrate straight punching that I actually think is sillier. I'm just not sure why people take such exception to this clip. Dude has been doing martial arts on a high level most of his life. I swear since MMA boards started attempting to dissect guys like Bruce Lee there's just this inherent need to downplay anyone who primarily does film. Film is just a job, a way of working using what you know. But nowadays there seems to be a notion that if you're an actor, then acting is all you know and are allowed to comment on

 

[shincheckin]

So him being right or wrong isnt as important as his presentation?

Floyd Sr. has a very similar game he plays to demonstrate straight punching that I actually think is sillier. I'm just not sure why people take such exception to this clip. Dude has been doing martial arts on a high level most of his life. I swear since MMA boards started attempting to dissect guys like Bruce Lee there's just this inherent need to downplay anyone who primarily does film. Film is just a job, a way of working using what you know. But nowadays there seems to be a notion that if you're an actor, then acting is all you know and are allowed to comment on

People take exception to it cause its a famous actor and kimbo slice....I think actors get hyped up beyond their capabilities, given that people see them fighting in films, they translate it to real life, surely someone like bruce lee who has practice martial arts their whole life can fight, but Bruce is probably the most over hyped of all, there tons of people out there that seriously think Bruce could beat a guy like Tyson. I use that one as an example cause I remember reading a thread sayingt that on the forums here. Hes got a cult following and his fans are a bit out of reality.

 

[shincheckin]

Another interesting comparision; old Arnie was attacked from behind by some martial artist. Artist fall not Arnie!
Yes, I suspect that if Lee in his prime attacked even modern days old Arnie with notice, old Arnie will won quickly.
Fedor or Buakaw, even now out of their prime able to send Lee in his prime to Intensive Care Unit quickly.
Large, young karatekas and boxers too.
Old retired Karelin ... too.

hands up bruce!

 

[Sinister]

^There's literally a plethora of great fighters who never fought with their hands at their heads. lol

Anyhow, on one hand, I get it. On the other hand, so the fuck what? If anyone is allowing fanboy remarks to discredit something that is not incorrect, that's equally as idiotic as the shit the fanboys say. If everyone quit trying to compartmentalize everyone else, Martial Arts would make a ton more sense. For all the nonsense about Bruce Lee, there are LEGITIMATE fighters who stated that not only could he fight, but they've seen him fight. If that's not good enough for someone on a message board then that says more about message board guy than Bruce Lee. Hyping means diddly-fuck, and yet when people want to publicly shit on someone who makes money with it, the make a big deal about they hyping themselves. Either they're right or wrong, or can fight or not.

 

[JSN]

but we’re talking about Kimbo Slice, the greatest fighter in internets history. This is like Terrence Howard lecturing Gauss on math.

 

[Sinister]

Lol, I'd pay good money to see spacetime knuckle up with prime Kimble

 

[JSN]

shoot forgot Shawn Cannon took his belt

 

[SandisLL]

Norris and Damme were matrial artists and didn't choosed under what rules they did fights, because rules were set by organisators/ boards.
Only later they become actors and I don't see fact, that they just followed tournaments rules as something suspicious.
Tutorial guy discussed there, wiki shows, that he had training in Kyokushin too and this art is pretty legit without any doubt. Yes, some rules looks strange, but stuff that we see in their tournaments isn't all that they are learned in dojos.

Bruce Lee isnt God to change physics laws and if he agreed to do demonstration by usage of physics laws to prove 1 inch punch this isn't new physics laws created.


If one is famous, this doesn't means, that it is worth do demonstrations that makes physics lecturers laugh about society's belief.
There's doesn't matters can Lee fight or no.
I think that yes but also was able to assume that world doesn't have physics lecturers and physics laws for all society are unknown.
Any Judoka, karateka, wrestler, boxer etc too knew, why uke fall from 1 inch punch.

 

[spacetime]

Lol, I'd pay good money to see spacetime knuckle up with prime Kimble

Well I'm honoured that you view me as an open weight fighter. You must really think I'm that good.

 

[SandisLL]

^If that's not good enough for someone on a message board then that says more about message board guy than Bruce Lee.

What do you except? Bruce Lee's crictic is taboo in MMA forum?

Dempsey passed away xx years ago, guys in intrnet criticise his technique etc etc.
All famous athletes with proven abilities, medals, even Olympic gold medals are criticized....
Internet contains xx millions of coments with somtehing like " boxer only react to movements ", " wrestler knows only how to do double legs " etc.
look at larger portals, forums, in comparision there guys are more realistic.

 

[spacetime]

I'm just not sure why people take such exception to this clip.

He seems to conflate the straight punch with the cross. He doesn't understand that principles are just that.. principles, they can always be broken. He doesn't understand how to generate power himself, despite being built like a tank.

He talks about "boxing" and "boxers "in a deragatory, superior way, despite never putting this to test and getting into the ring with them. Should be easy for him, with these holes he's observing.

 

[SandisLL]

Didn't watched what he told, just 1 min beginning.
Then lurked in wiki, that he leanerd Kyokushin, so assumed that he is able kick and beat. Now there discussion about muscles appeared.
Arnie = GOAT in bodybuilding, icon forewer.