UFC 242 Khabib vs Poirier

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[BigNick100]

Not picking sides or anything but just chiming in that I agree someone who has actually trained MMA in all areas, been in the grind, taken some beatings, and trained at a decent level that pushes you will always have a better understanding of the small little things that someone who has never stepped on the mats or cage. I personally have for some years and even trained with a few decent fighters, current and former UFC vets and etc before. I have even been a judge at a local Caribbean MMA event.

It's a big difference when you talk to someone about fights who has trained and can break down little details vs talking to someone who it just looking at things on the surface.

To say Khabib has average or bad entries is incorrect imo. When he gets you backed up to the fence his entries are great. And in the open field his td's entries are still pretty good but most effective against the cage. But with his open field td's, it's not just his initial shot he will chain wrestle like mad, and keep going to plan B,C, D if you stop his initial shot.

He did however showed in the Al fight that when he slows down a little, his entries do become less effective and more sloppy, esp in the open field and more so in rounds 4/5. But then again that was Khabib's first time in round 4/5 of a fight. So fatigue could have played a part too. So maybe that is where some are pulling from when they say he doesn't have good entries.

But as a whole Khabib has great entries.

 

[LiquidNuke]

Anyone have weigh in pics?

 

[Ideanudge]

I am putting money on Poirier and hoping his chin doesn't get cracked.

My reasoning is Poirier has good scrambles and, as the fight drags on, both of them will be too slippery for Khabib to reliably hold Poirier down.

 

[LiquidNuke]

How good would you guys feel if you had a three way ITD parlay on Madge, Blaydes and Taisumov...? I'm most nervous about blaydes... Not sure what I'll stake but definitely going to try and hit it, 60 bucks pays out like 550. I think it's got at least a moderate chance of happening.

 

[LiquidNuke]

Anyone like Salikhov as an underdog?

 

[Ideanudge]

Khabibs entries are not good lol

He dives recklessly for single legs and anything that can get him a grip of his opponent and its after that when he chains his shots and gets a hold of his opponents that he is great. The initial shot generally has little set up and is completely forced. It's not like he integrates at all into his striking well or anything. He throws wild hooks and punches himself into the clinch which can help him but he's no Dillashaw, Edgar, Cruz, Mendes etc. that can fluidly time and set up TDs perfectly off striking combinations.

The guy can barely throw a jab or cross before launching himself from far out at his opponents lead leg. It's why Al had so much success stuff shots in open space because if he wasn't getting backed up immediately to the fence he could easily stuff the terrible initial shot and had plenty of space to then move away.

Khabib is unpredictable and twitchy with his distance. He has a strong grip and tries very hard to succeed a shitty attempt. What people failed to exploit is Khabib's own lack of TDD. Some people who correctly shot on Khabib managed to take him down with ease, as if he is so offensive wrestling minded that he takes the fear of his general wrestling for granted and doesn't think about an opponent shooting.

 

[Sono07]

How good would you guys feel if you had a three way ITD parlay on Madge, Blaydes and Taisumov...? I'm most nervous about blaydes... Not sure what I'll stake but definitely going to try and hit it, 60 bucks pays out like 550. I think it's got at least a moderate chance of happening.

I agree about Blaydes, this probably goes like his last fight pretty boring and to a decision. Honestly Lee might have as good a chance getting a finish as Blaydes. I like Khabib inside the distance at even money. He already said he's going to try to submit Dustin. With two extra rounds and a decent style mismatch I like his chances. Poirier looked small and a little rattled at the face offs, just like I hoped he would

 

[TrueAscension]

Not picking sides or anything but just chiming in that I agree someone who has actually trained MMA in all areas, been in the grind, taken some beatings, and trained at a decent level that pushes you will always have a better understanding of the small little things that someone who has never stepped on the mats or cage. I personally have for some years and even trained with a few decent fighters, current and former UFC vets and etc before. I have even been a judge at a local Caribbean MMA event.

It's a big difference when you talk to someone about fights who has trained and can break down little details vs talking to someone who it just looking at things on the surface.

To say Khabib has average or bad entries is incorrect imo. When he gets you backed up to the fence his entries are great. And in the open field his td's entries are still pretty good but most effective against the cage. But with his open field td's, it's not just his initial shot he will chain wrestle like mad, and keep going to plan B,C, D if you stop his initial shot.

He did however showed in the Al fight that when he slows down a little, his entries do become less effective and more sloppy, esp in the open field and more so in rounds 4/5. But then again that was Khabib's first time in round 4/5 of a fight. So fatigue could have played a part too. So maybe that is where some are pulling from when they say he doesn't have good entries.

But as a whole Khabib has great entries.

I agree with your analysis but I disagree that you have to be a trained fighter to break down fights. Its pretty easy to analyze fighters by watching them (especially for several years)- People who have never played a snap of football in their lives can cap the NFL very well because its the same sort of concepts in MMA. The same way that styles make fights, matchups make games.

Most of the people I know who have trained MMA are horrible at capping fights because they either get trapped into MMA math, focus too much on past fights, etc- That said, everyone's different.

 

[ill800]

Full props been out for about an hour

 

[Danis_champ]

Damn where is @Card when you need face off photos.

 

[Stunna77]

So many clueless people in this forum it's funny af. I'll come back to this thread with my pocket full of cash and a grin on my face reading these comments about Poirer lmao.

Ps. watch dustin get choked in r2

Pocket full of cash from betting a -400 huh? Lets see the slip big shot.

 

[ill800]

Pocket full of cash from betting a -400 huh? Lets see the slip big shot.

I’ve been putting people on ignore lately. Ever since wik kept going on and on about value

I don’t even know what you guys are talking about lol, it’s beautiful

 

[Kamais_Ookin]

I’ve been putting people on ignore lately. Ever since wik kept going on and on about value

I don’t even know what you guys are talking about lol, it’s beautiful

Wik is up to his usual bs $100 impossible parlay

 

[BigNick100]

I agree with your analysis but I disagree that you have to be a trained fighter to break down fights. Its pretty easy to analyze fighters by watching them (especially for several years)- People who have never played a snap of football in their lives can cap the NFL very well because its the same sort of concepts in MMA. The same way that styles make fights, matchups make games.

Most of the people I know who have trained MMA are horrible at capping fights because they either get trapped into MMA math, focus too much on past fights, etc- That said, everyone's different.

Ya I know what you saying. Let me not come across as a dick because your right you don’t need to train MMA to be able to break down fights and I know some people myself that are good at breaking down fights with zero MMA training.

But those are a small percentage of people and to achieve that you need to love this sport and be a die hard fan and get years of experience in before you can fully grasp things. Just like a small percentage of people who bet MMA profit long term, this isn’t easy to do.

On top of training MMA I have watched this sports since 2006 and haven’t missed a event since then, I love this shit and it’s the best sport in the world Imo. Hence why I started training it too lol.

 

[Wiktoruspro]

Lmao, pretty sure Ricksons blocked me so fuck him. If he thinks those are good entries he's never trained MMA (if thats the line of thinking we're going down).

Rickson is weak.

Wik is up to his usual bs $100 impossible parlay

Thats a 4 event pro big chance dog win parlay.

I’ve been putting people on ignore lately. Ever since wik kept going on and on about value

I don’t even know what you guys are talking about lol, it’s beautiful

Yeah, value for you is not watching the fighter but betting the plus number.
LOL

 

[Sono07]

Even before all that I figured the ME would look like a lonely farmer chasing a greased up pig lmao

 

[ill800]

If it could potentially be 100 degrees im playing Cummings itd at +315 with a full unit

2 Units on his ml as well

 

[Sadistics]

If it could potentially be 100 degrees im playing Cummings itd at +315 with a full unit

2 Units on his ml as well

I'll join ya with some Cummings RD3 action

 

[LEMONZEST]

100 F = 37 C. for the rest of the world

PS. A hot stadium will clearly help DP since he is from the South and used to the heat. Khabib was already complaining about the heat there so this could make things interesting.