HEAVYWEIGHT COACH (why the average coach shouldn't be training heavy weights)

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JimRussel said:
What proficient coach doesn’t understand this? Especially at the elite level? Especially in boxing?

Who are you arguing with/trying to prove a point to here?

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read the thread or have somebody you trust read it to you

There are lots and lots of people arguing against this as they have seen a smaller person train a heavyweight to proficiency before

@KnightTemplar

@wufabufa

@j-boxing

@nefti

@monkeyrhythm

@robocock

All argued for many pages aginst this...
 
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So, someone like Freddie Roach can’t adequately train heavyweights?
 
JimRussel said:
So, someone like Freddie Roach can’t adequately train heavyweights?
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You really should read these threads before you respond...

I said only a heavyweight knows how to train a heavyweight

That doesn't mean smaller men CANT train heavyweight athletes

it means that heavyweight coaches are BETTER at training heavyweight athletes
 
-guerilla- said:
You really should read these threads before you respond...

I said only a heavyweight knows how to train a heavyweight

That doesn't mean smaller men CANT train heavyweight athletes

it means that heavyweight coaches are BETTER at training heavyweight athletes
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My name is guerrilla and I'm a better heavyweight coach cause I am heavy. Me smart.
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JimRussel said:
Gonna go with a big “nah”.
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So you agree that heavyweights are different yet someone can learn everything just as well as someone who actually IS a heavyweight competitor

They can "learn" all the nuances associated with heavyweight Combat Sports just as well as the athlete thats literally been there

Gonna go with a big “nah”
 
I just want to know why a grown man is using hashtags.
 
-guerilla- said:
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read the thread or have somebody you trust read it to you

There are lots and lots of people arguing against this as they have seen a smaller person train a heavyweight to proficiency before

@KnightTemplar

@wufabufa

@j-boxing

@nefti

@monkeyrhythm

@robocock

All argued for many pages aginst this...
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We argued against it because your knowledge of conditioning for fighters is on the same level as your knowledge of Heavyweight Boxing;)
 
As a fat dude who'd trained with bantamweights I can say TS is full of shit. Training is auto regulated by weight typically. A bantamweight may get 40 push ups in 60 seconds where a heavyweight may get 20 in the same time. The lack of reps is made up for by the increase of intensity. Same with running. The heavyweight may jog or walk while the bantamweight keeps a constant run, but the work being done is offset by the size of the athlete.
 
Approx 10 years ago, I was training for my Muay Thai pro debut.

I had been training for nigh on a year but only for the final 13 weeks had I been involved in "fighter conditioning".
It was gruelling, as conditioning should be but I was blinded by that old school approach.

I'm 198cm and at time of the pre 13 weeks, I was a lean 112kg. I even had a 6 pack!

My Kru (coach) was nigh on 50 and former RAF. But he was also only 5ft5.
The three other guys I trained with, my friends, were under 70kg.

The 5days a week I trained, involved rinse and repeat plyometrics, after hard pad work.

Then, my fight fell through.
My coach said "we'll get you another bout". So, I trained max effort for a further 2 weeks.

After getting lapped on the running field, completing my duck walks, burpees and sit/jump hurdles, my back finally gave in.

Accumulation of matching the short light guys for the same exercises, at the same pace and impact damaged me.

I even tried returning after treatment for herniated discs. He tried to get me to work through the pain.

Most of that is about an idiot trainer but I have also experienced the same thing, even in respected amateur boxing clubs.

No difference of approach as a naturally big guy.

Now, I am shy of 40 but I have so much knowledge of simple things that all heavyweights should do to avoid injury and maximise basic effective conditioning.

A lot of it is old fashioned stubbornness passing down wives tales and expectations.

If my son, who is already a monstrous 3 year old* decides to do combat sports, he'll absolutely be a heavyweight and I'll dedicate as much educated knowledge as I can.


*Don't worry. I am just exploiting him for example.
 
Coaches who fought lightweight aren't the best at coaching heavyweights....

Larry Holmes said so @ 1min

(O oh)

 
Okay so far we have
Stacey McKinley
Max Kellerman and Larry Holmes telling you exactly what I said was true

To assist in the reading comprehension scenario I will clarify my OP once again

While a smaller man is physically capable of training a heavyweight athlete it is not the ideal scenario

Because heavyweight fight sports are so radically different than all other weight classe it is ideal to have a coach who was once a heavyweight competitor

A smaller man can learn a lot of the idiosyncrasies about heavyweight competition and be a competent trainer however you will never be as good as someone who was a heavyweight competitor themselves

Don't believe me... that's fine, I'm going to stick with Stacy... Max and Larry
 
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