Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

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Republicans care more about commerce than people's lives. Sad!



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The fucking audacity. To talk about what hospitality workers have to rely on? Hospitality workers are suffering because we have zero fucking rights, and zero protection from.. oh hell what's happening right now.

Atlas is about to shrug these fucking bootstraps.
 
nothing new about that - republican party was always about establishment and protecting the interests of corporations
anything that includes spending money on social measures is seen as communism - but when big companies need bailouts then its okay to hand out money like there is no tomorrow

not that democrats are any better

A democratic administration pulled the nation out of the GOP made recession. Democrats fought for the creation of the CBP that Trump has neutered with Mick Mulvaney, fight against Trump's corporate giveaway policies, and blue heavy states subsidize the maladministration of so many red states.

I have rather huge problems with the democratic establishment and the fringe it weirdly interfaces with, but it still seems to be pretty distinct to me, the differences between the parties.
 
Waiting for Trumpsters to spazz out and say but Norway. But we have the bestie doctors!

This is the time where we really see the Trump side, Breitbart philosophy put into practice. You've got the Bannon ethos of "streamlining" via elimination at every level of government you can, and then you've got the Shapiro market worship side where corporate interest gives us all we need and way better than government. They've supplemented this insanity with a hatred of international alliances and cooperation, which is surely important during a crisis like this.

Bannon's streamlining gave us hiring freezes at the CDC and other agencies over and over, sycophants and lobbyists running our healthcare infrastructure, and an admin that seeks 2 digit spending cuts to relevant agencies every year.

Shapiro's market worship gives us an administration rejecting the WHO standard tests, seeking a private solution that failed, leaving us unprepared and weeks behind, all while the President's attempt to dismantle the ACA goes to the Supreme Court and he speaks of miracles and April heat excising a pandemic from our lungs.
 
This is what you are met with if you dare dissent from the hype:

 
CNN praising Trump for his latest press conference.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/white-house-donald-trump-coronavirus-emergency/index.html

his version of Donald Trump will save lives.

The President offered Americans something they have rarely seen from him in his latest and most somber press conference yet on the coronavirus pandemic on Monday.
He dispensed unimpeachable information based on fact. He called for national unity and seemed like he meant to help forge it. And he ditched his normal habit of hyping the best possible outcome to a situation with improbable superlatives -- instead communicating the gravity of a fast-worsening crisis.
"It's bad. It's bad," Trump said as he unveiled a 15-day plan to try to flatten the curve of new infections to alleviate a feared surge of sick patients that could overwhelm the health system.
"Each and every one of us has a critical role to play in stopping the spread and transmission of the virus," Trump said, summoning national resolve as he plunges deeper into a crisis that will now define his term and possibly his reelection hopes.
privacy policy.
The President's pivot to seriousness contrasted sharply with some of his previous commentary on the pandemic, which he has compared to the flu and predicted could just go away, and came after he claimed he had "shut it down" and had the disease under control.
In many ways, Trump's temperate performance was the most conventional moment of a presidency in which he has refused to adopt the traditional mien associated with his position.
He came across as a the leader of a nation in crisis, calling on its citizens to unite in an outpouring of collective action that might temporarily paper over deep national political divides.
It will take more than one serious news conference to turn the tide of the pandemic. And Trump must prove in the coming days he has the focus to lead more than fitfully and that he can command the complicated machinery of the federal government and corral Americans behind him.
But it was such an unusual performance by the President that he may stand a chance of shocking watching viewers into action and getting them to fully understand the desolate reality of the coming weeks.
Trump urged Americans to avoid discretionary travel and social gatherings of more than 10 people. He said older people should stay home, as should those with preexisting medical conditions. Anyone who is sick should not go out and whole households were told to quarantine, not just the ill family member.
"If everyone makes this change or these critical changes and sacrifices now, we will rally together as one nation and we will defeat the virus and we're going to have a big celebration altogether," Trump said. "With several weeks of focused action, we can turn the corner and turn it quickly."
A dark turn in the crisis
The President's steely and inclusive temperament was an appropriate match for a day in which the coronavirus crisis darkened by the hour.
A day after the Federal Reserve cut interest rates to near zero, the Dow Jones Industrial Average turned in its worst day in more than 30 years, plunging a staggering 3,000 points.
Across the nation, local authorities ordered bars, restaurants and gyms shut down and pleaded with young people to stay home to avoid spreading the virus to vulnerable, sick and older people.
"It feels more like Italy than ever before," Dr. Peter Hotez, a vaccination specialist at Baylor University told CNN, comparing the US to the European nation that is now the epicenter for COVID-19, which recorded its deadliest day so far in the battle with the virus with nearly 400 deaths on Sunday. "I am concerned about where we are headed right now."
US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams had a similar warning.
"You've got several different models, and yes, there is a potential for us to become Italy," Adams said on CNN's "New Day."
Trump's performance wasn't perfect. It's still not clear that he is ready to assume responsibility for the anti-virus effort, missteps and all. Asked whether the buck stops with him, he replied: "Yes, normally, but ... you know, this has never been done before in this country."
Trump also awarded himself his customary 10 out of 10 for his management of the virus emergency, despite repeatedly playing it down and firing off misinformation about the building storm for weeks in a way that appears to have contributed to the slow federal government response.
And Trump's apparent sudden decision to take the novel coronavirus seriously leaves him racing to catch up with state governors and mayors who have been complaining for days about the failure of federal authorities to provide more testing kits and to prepare for the nation's hospitals to be inundated.
"This is a national problem and we need federal leadership," New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said at a briefing on Monday as he prepared to essentially shut down his state, earning him a rebuke from Trump, who said Cuomo should do more.
Trump warns crisis may not break until July or August
Trump has managed to act like a normal president would before in short bursts but has always restored to the bilious approach that destroys trust and carves deeper political divides.
But his change of tone has the potential to be a significant moment in this crisis. There is nothing that can mobilize the federal government and its massive resources more than a president who is demonstrably engaged.
Trump's new attitude might also permit a shift in emphasis by some conservative media figures who have taken his lead in downplaying the gravity of the coronavirus cases in a way that is detrimental to public health. An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll on Sunday found that while seven in ten Democrats were worried about the virus, only 40% of Republicans share their concern.
Trump often seems to operate in a highly limited time horizon, seeming to say anything in the middle of a political storm that will help him get through the day so he can live to fight again.
That was why it was surprising that he mentioned July or August as possible dates for when the pandemic might abate — a longer and more precise time horizon than most experts have predicted.
The President's comments may have helped to tank the stock market in its closing moments of trading Monday. For once, after celebrating the market's rally in his press conference on Friday, the President didn't seem to care that much.
"Best thing I can do for the stock market is we have to get through this crisis, that's what I can do. That's the best thing we can do," Trump said. He even seemed to contemplate the possibility of a recession brought on by the coronavirus crisis that could be disastrous for a president seeking reelection.
But he did allow himself one moment of hyperbole.
"I think there's a tremendous pent up demand, both in terms of the stock market and in terms of the economy, and once this goes away, once it goes through and we're done with it, I think you're going to see a tremendous, a tremendous surge."
 
Bro you're literally describing socialism though.

Like. Look at it like this. I flashed a knife at a mentally ill homeless person tonight (I live in the French Quarter so I always have my blade on my hip) dude asked me for a dollar and I said "sorry dawg I'm pretty sure I lost both jobs tonight"

And he hits me with that mentally ill crackhead eloquence and I showed him my blade and told him to "fuck around and see what's up"

I want to fix the homeless crisis. I want all these people to have housing and treatment. And not even from a place of compassion. I just fucking hate annoying ass homeless people. You can be a selfish socialist bro. If life is better for everyone and we're all taken care of. We have to deal with less dumb shit.

The fact of the matter is. UHC and worker protection would greatly benefit us right now.

Sorry to hear it.
Use unemployment. that's what it's for.
 
Well someone I know lost nearly 350k on their 401k. Not good for people planning to retire soon.
 
Hey @AlexDB9 I'm curious. As someone who very likely lost two jobs tonight and will have to apply for unemployment for the first time in my life it made me wonder about your hatred of socialism.

I lost three forms of income today. Do you think it's morally okay for people like me to get assistance? Would you apply? Or just start making and selling bootstraps in the quarantine?

Brother.....can you even begin to appreciate the cosmic irony at play here? Your job and world were turned on it’s head essentially due to the levels of ineptitude communism delivers.....levels that I became accustomed to for years

I’ve always said that socialism has a place in society but it’s a minute one that has a threshold. In this instance it’s no fault of your own and you are entitled to some sort of economic help as a tax payer. I also see socialism often confused with charity here. I’d be charitable
 
"In emergency such as pandemic, the country must forego an election, the incumbent President will stay in office for an additional term not to exceed 6 years"

Constitution, chapter 4 page 3
 
The fucking audacity. To talk about what hospitality workers have to rely on? Hospitality workers are suffering because we have zero fucking rights, and zero protection from.. oh hell what's happening right now.

Atlas is about to shrug these fucking bootstraps.
Encouraging movement of people and therefore propagation of the virus is going against what the experts are saying to do to flatten the curve. A spike in number of infected cases are what is going to lead to overwhelming hospitals, increase total number of deaths and complete and utter panic.

I wouldn't listen to a single Republican about COVID-19 risk forecasts because they've shown being completely incapable of learning from other nation's inability to control it, and incapable of listening to the experts. Trump is even going as far as to blaming Obama for why the current crisis is unfolding, even though it was his government that cut the CDC's funding.

The real problem is the lack of forethought that goes into crisis management, and what to do when a nationwide emergency forces people into their homes and away from their jobs. The Trump administration is currently stuck with a thumb up its ass. We'll see if the measures recently taken to increase testing will have an effect, but many are saying it's too little too late.

Brother.....can you even begin to appreciate the cosmic irony at play here? Your job and world were turned on it’s head essentially due to the levels of ineptitude communism delivers.....levels that I became accustomed to for years

I’ve always said that socialism has a place in society but it’s a minute one that has a threshold. In this instance it’s no fault of your own and you are entitled to some sort of economic help as a tax payer. I also see socialism often confused with charity here. I’d be charitable
I'd be careful about claiming communism creates viruses, or that it exacerbates the propagation of viruses due to inability to coordinate containment efforts. Creating a social safety net such as increased employment insurance assistance and public health care access isn't communism or socialism in and of itself , even though it's only in America where that claim is being made by a critical mass. It's when you shift from a market economy to a command economy where you start delving into the inefficiencies and downright dangers of true socialism/communism. I can respect your disdain for socialism/communism having lived through it, and I've argued several times with people close to me about why communism doesn't work. But we're right smack into the beginning of the whole ordeal, and we're going to see if the Trump administration's new measures to increase testing and analysis numbers are going to be where they need to be, but if you look at the outbreak rate in the U.S, the curve is very steep and there is no sign of it flattening.

Oh and charity relies solely on the goodwill of individuals. You cannot rely on charity in this case as a logistical strategy for virus containment.
 
Flattening the curve =/= containment

Look, everyone is in the weeds. Some nations will seem better than others, but to claim that any country has the solution is false. If anyone had the solution, we wouldn't be in the midst of a global pandemic.
Flattening the curve and aggressive testing is how the virus is contained.

I don't know why you Trumpers are still in this thread. You have literally zero credibility.
 
Encouraging movement of people and therefore propagation of the virus is going against what the experts are saying to do to flatten the curve. A spike in number of infected cases are what is going to lead to overwhelming hospitals, increase total number of deaths and complete and utter panic.

I wouldn't listen to a single Republican about COVID-19 risk forecasts because they've shown being completely incapable of learning from other nation's inability to control it, and incapable of listening to the experts. Trump is even going as far as to blaming Obama for why the current crisis is unfolding, even though it was his government that cut the CDC's funding.

The real problem is the lack of forethought that goes into crisis management, and what to do when a nationwide emergency forces people into their homes and away from their jobs. The Trump administration is currently stuck with a thumb up its ass. We'll see if the measures recently taken to increase testing will have an effect, but many are saying it's too little too late.


I'd be careful about claiming communism creates viruses, or that it exacerbates the propagation of viruses due to inability to coordinate containment efforts. Creating a social safety net such as increased employment insurance assistance and public health care access isn't communism or socialism in and of itself , even though it's only in America where that claim is being made by a critical mass. It's when you shift from a market economy to a command economy where you start delving into the inefficiencies and downright dangers of true socialism/communism. I can respect your disdain for socialism/communism having lived through it, and I've argued several times with people close to me about why communism doesn't work. But we're right smack into the beginning of the whole ordeal, and we're going to see if the Trump administration's new measures to increase testing and analysis numbers are going to be where they need to be, but if you look at the outbreak rate in the U.S, the curve is very steep and there is no sign of it flattening.

Oh and charity relies solely on the goodwill of individuals. You cannot rely on charity in this case as a logistical strategy for virus containment.

Huh? What do you mean be careful? That’s exactly what happened, communists are inept to the 10th degree. Do you actually believe the numbers coming out of China? I posted weeks back that in Cuba they were blaming Trump as if the CIA made and distributed the virtues. That is what communism does. If you’re dumb enough to believe it then that’s on you

What Trump and the US has done isn’t even remotely comparable. It’s been no worse than any other country and the US has actually been ahead of others in regards to closing borders
 
Flattening the curve and aggressive testing is how the virus is contained.

I don't know why you Trumpers are still in this thread. You have literally zero credibility.

Yesterday it was Obama spoke “better” and had better presence as a “leader” and today it’s muh drumpfsters have no credibility haha

You goofs need to form a comedic act together. I appreciate the levity in what is actually a serious topic
 
Yesterday it was Obama spoke “better” and had better presence as a “leader” and today it’s muh drumpfsters have no credibility haha
This is what clowns like you do, you try to muddy the water and post tons of incoherent bullshit about Obama and then whine about FactCheck and the media.

You goofs need to form a comedic act together. I appreciate the levity in what is actually a serious topic
The only goofs in this thread are your fellow idiots who are trying to bail out the sinking ship that is Trump 2020.
 
This is what clowns like you do, you try to muddy the water and post tons of incoherent bullshit about Obama and then whine about FactCheck and the media.


The only goofs in this thread are your fellow idiots who are trying to bail out the sinking ship that is Trump 2020.

Haha that’s the thing, the trumpets you hate so much aren’t the ones bringing up Obama or anyone else....
 
The deficit is already at a trillion dollars
 
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