How did Sakuraba beat Rampage, Vitor if it took him 1 hour to beat Royce?

[gono btw]

Classic interview but it's from 95.
Dont you consider that several years before there were guys "doing it all" in Shooto?

He was already cross-trainin´in the 1980s. And was already openin´himself to BJJ, even though he was LL (which created a rift between the LL crew & him, even his original coaches didnt like it).

Anyway, as showed in that Decons, others were doin´ b4, Euclides Pereira & Ivan Gomes, for instance... Pre-modern era.

 

[Natural Order]

Because Sakuraba was good enought to literally beat anybody on any given night. Not to say he wasn't vulnerable and capable of getting his ass whooped as well, but he was that dynamic.

As others noted, styles make fights.

P4P MMA Goat still to this day, and probably for a long while.

 

[pankrat]

He was already cross-trainin´in the 1980s. And was already openin´himself to BJJ, even though he was LL (which created a rift between the LL crew & him, even his original coaches didnt like it).

Anyway, as showed in that Decons, others were doin´ b4, Euclides Pereira & Ivan Gomes, for instance... Pre-modern era.

Yeah that's what I meant. Ruas was the first to kinda showing it in the big scene but he is far from the first to cross-train.
The Japanese who were fighting in Shooto back in the 80s, even Benny Urquidez in the 70s, or Euclides before them were already doing it.

Actually, if we look back to the barenuckle days of boxing, it was intimately tied with grappling, much closer to valetudo/NHB than to modern boxing.

Many prize fighters from 19th century were standout wrestlers with not much understanding of the boxing science. Obviously very undeveloped ground game.
William Miller was Greco-Roman wrestling and Boxing champion back in mid-late s.XIX, for instance

 

[gono btw]

Yeah that's what I meant. Ruas was the first to kinda showing it in the big scene but he is far from the first to cross-train.
The Japanese who were fighting in Shooto back in the 80s, even Benny Urquidez in the 70s, or Euclides before them were already doing it.

Actually, if we look back to the barenuckle days of boxing, it was intimately tied with grappling, much closer to valetudo/NHB than to modern boxing.

Many prize fighters from 19th century were standout wrestlers with not much understanding of the boxing science. Obviously very undeveloped ground game.
William Miller was Greco-Roman wrestling and Boxing champion back in mid-late s.XIX, for instance

hmm, ok , but I also included the BJJ element in the equation, tho...

 

[gono btw]

Because Sakuraba was good enought to literally beat anybody on any given night. Not to say he wasn't vulnerable and capable of getting his ass whooped as well, but he was that dynamic.

As others noted, styles make fights.

P4P MMA Goat still to this day, and probably for a long while.

Why does this dude even have a beef with Gono, sharin´da same GOAT...

 

[Natural Order]

Why does this dude even have a beef with Gono, sharin´da same GOAT...

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Beef but respect. Gotta keep things interestin’!

 

[Doug Money]

Man i would have loved to see how a fight between Saku and BJ would go. Both un their primes and hungover, without a proper camp lol. Make it catchweight.

 

[gono btw]

Beef but respect. Gotta keep things interestin’!

If you show hespect to Dem Decons, Gono will bury di hatchet.

Gono has no quarrel with anyone from da SAKU GOAT crew.

Nuff´Said.

 

[Dorkman]

He was waaay more well rounded when he was with Oyama.
He felt in love with his boxing(under Juanito?)and I think,he had back problems later,allegedly,because Rampage used that as a reason when people questioned him about his lack of Slampages in his UFC run.

He fought more well rounded for sure. Just think it was early enough in his career against sakuraba that wasn't quite as technically sound positionally and submission wise. So the smaller saku was able to get the position and sub him. As his career went on he became increasingly more difficult to sub when he was on the floor was more what I was getting too in my previous posts about not being as refined as it wasn't until another 29 fights later that he was next subbed against Jones. Cause yeah he absolutely turned 1 trick pony with Juanito. It was a great 1 trick but you knew what he was going to do, box and sprawl.

 

[BIKES!]

Strength over comes straight BJJ. This is why next breed BJJ were yolo heads like Gordon Ryan and Gilbert

 

[Oooxente]

Looking back the idea of a one night tourney where you have to fight 3 times in one night,but all fights have no time limit,is really stupid and ridiculous.

Correct me if i am wrong the only fight without a TM was Royce v Saku.
The Gracies asked for it.

 

[MichaelT]

The fight was no time limit right? Like they knew in advance, I can't remember? If so, then I think they would go super slow and really take their time, which is why the fight was so long, I remember watching it from start to finish, and most of it is just standing in front of eachother/not doing anything, with little burst of action every 15 minutes, I would say it was mostly the time limit/pacing that made it take so long, but I can't really remember any of the fights clearly so

 

[gono btw]

He fought more well rounded for sure. Just think it was early enough in his career against sakuraba that wasn't quite as technically sound positionally and submission wise. So the smaller saku was able to get the position and sub him. As his career went on he became increasingly more difficult to sub when he was on the floor was more what I was getting too in my previous posts about not being as refined as it wasn't until another 29 fights later that he was next subbed against Jones. Cause yeah he absolutely turned 1 trick pony with Juanito. It was a great 1 trick but you knew what he was going to do, box and sprawl.

hmmm...yeah, but .. UFC Rampage could still be surprised on the ground.. & honestly SAKU G. would have found a way to get those openings...

 

[Dorkman]

hmmm...yeah, but .. UFC Rampage could still be surprised on the ground.. & honestly SAKU G. would have found a way to get those openings...

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Yeah Saku was beyond crafty. He still might have been able to snag something on rampage later in their careers but do think Quinton would have been able to fight back better.

 

[SG123]

youve made 17,000 posts on sherdog and you still think mma math operates on cartesian coordinates

Recently learnt the term? Doesn’t really make sense in this context, but how fancy.

 

[AndersonSilva23]

Rampage would lose to most high level submission wrestlers or elite jiu jitsu grapplers (if the fights went to the ground), he doesn’t do technical reversals or position transitions, he try’s to power out or slam you. Lol

 

[JohnMandick]

The answer is smoking.

 

[Timurd123]

Vitor fight was pretty suspect looking iirc. Vitor barely tried to do anything.

Lol Vitor had ALOT of fights that looked like that for years, he had mental issues


To OP: Saku wanted to submit Royce which is obviously no simple task, he didn’t have 20% of Hughes brute strength, plus Royce was a lot younger and popped for the rubber match, wouldn’t be remotely surprised if he was on the gear in this one too.
Rampage was a complete novice if I remember correctly, it was his first fight in Pride and he said he’s only been in the country for a couple of weeks before with no real team or trainers, just did some local sparring and gym work etc

 

[gono btw]

Looking back the idea of a one night tourney where you have to fight 3 times in one night,but all fights have no time limit,is really stupid and ridiculous.

Correct me if i am wrong the only fight without a TM was Royce v Saku.
The Gracies asked for it.

Initially:

Kerr: "Everyone was going to walk away from the show. All of us were going to protest and say no, we're not going to do unlimited rounds. They ended up compensating the fighters a little bit more money to just accept the rule."

Then, only the Hoyce vs SAKU G. was that way.

Rampage would lose to most high level submission wrestlers or elite jiu jitsu grapplers (if the fights went to the ground), he doesn’t do technical reversals or position transitions, he try’s to power out or slam you. Lol

Rampage did escape an armbar attempt from Busta b4 slammin´his way out of a triangle when Busta transitioned.

 

[blaccbeard]

because Pride was fake, Rampage himself confirmed it:

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