Does anyone else think crocop would smashed

[MartinGibson86]

Again putting emphasis on everything but the fact that loosing to a former UFC champ can't possibly be worse than loosing to a gatekeeper.

And yes, Randleman was clearly, without the shadow of a doubt the superior achiever.

Yes it is.

You and the other Pride cultists annoyingly overrate that "UFC champ" stat.


He won the title from Mo Smith and lost it in his first defense.

He had been finished by LHWs in 2 prior fights..

Mo Smith, Pete Williams, and Pedro Rizzo....plys CC....and Babalu


That's really about it for Randlemans resume lol.


I guess thats light years better than Stipe, Lavar Johnson, Bgfoot, Pat Barry, Omielanczuk, and old Nog.


Dave Menne and Carlos Newton were UFC champs too lmao

 

[VitoCorleone]

Yes it is.

You and the other Pride cultists annoyingly overrate that "UFC champ" stat.


He won the title from Mo Smith and lost it in his first defense.

He had been finished by LHWs in 2 prior fights..

Mo Smith, Pete Williams, and Pedro Rizzo....plys CC.


That's really about it for Randlemans HW resume lol.


I guess thats light years better than Stipe, Lavar Johnson, Bgfoot, Pat Barry, Omielanczuk, and old Nog.


Dave Menne and Carlos Newton were UFC champs too lmao

All this years following combat sports and considering championships the ultimate goal every fighter strives for, just to find out that the real prize has always been a W over Lavar Johnson.

Dude, your logic is all over the place, you keep bringing up irrelevant stats (which you first have to look up) and keep belittling more and more fighters in every post.

Your simply wrong dude (let it go)

 

[DayV]

The OWGP was obviously going to favor him though, he's a heavyweight and who were his opponents again?Minowaman, Wandy and Josh Barnett who he had previously beaten. Not quite the best resume for a Grand Prix such as that.

He bested everybody including Nog, Werdum, Overeem, Hunt, Alex Emelianenko... and became champion over all of them, like in any other sport, and most of sports have tournament format world championship. Paths are irrelevant, they all tryed & failed, Cro Cop won. Title means you are champion over all.

Wand was LHW goat who had Top 10 ranked HW win against Fujita just a fight earlier. Wanerlei was huge star at those years. You can see how much people wanna see Jones nowadays challenge for HW title, Wanderlei was the same thing.
Yoshida was good HW fighter who fluctuated between Top 10 and Top 15 HW in those years, especially good with GI allowed as weapon and 10 minute round, and Olympic gold medailist who had wins vs UFC and Rings HW champions and K-1 GP winner. Look how much is Lesnar hyped in US, Yoshida was no lesser star in no.1 MMA market at those times.

Minowa proved his danger and upest potential by beating dozen of Hws.
Beating Barnett was equal to any super elite win worthy of UFC title.

Pride Grand Prix 2006 was the strongest MMA competition in the world at that time, and Cro Cop won it.

 

[MartinGibson86]

He bested everybody including Nog, Werdum, Overeem, Hunt, Alex Emelianenko... and became champion over all of them, like in any other sport, and most of sports have tournament format world championship. Paths are irrelevant, they all tryed & failed, Cro Cop won. Title means you are champion over all.

Wand was LHW goat who had Top 10 ranked HW win against Fujita just a fight earlier. Wanerlei was huge star at those years. You can see how much people wanna see Jones nowadays challenge for HW title, Wanderlei was the same thing.
Yoshida was good HW fighter who fluctuated between Top 10 and Top 15 HW in those years, especially good with GI allowed as weapon and 10 minute round, and Olympic gold medailist who had wins vs UFC and Rings HW champions and K-1 GP winner. Look how much is Lesnar hyped in US, Yoshida was no lesser star in no.1 MMA market at those times.

Minowa proved his danger and upest potential by beating dozen of Hws.
Beating Barnett was equal to any super elite win worthy of UFC title.

Pride Grand Prix 2006 was the strongest MMA competition in the world at that time, and Cro Cop won it.

lol dtop.

He beat Barnett and no other good HWs in that tourney. Barnett fought Nog earlier in the night


You're a goof.

 

[DayV]

lol dtop.

He beat Barnett and no other good HWs in that tourney. Barnett fought Nog earlier in the night


You're a goof.

You are not the one who says and sets universal standard is someone good HW or not, you have rankings, data and oppinions of media, fans and journalists from that time.

Yoshida was ranked HW.
Wanderlei was both LHW champion and even formally ranked HW by major media, he had ranked HW win a fight before.

Cro Cop entered the final bout with broken foot, he was the one who was carrying injury into the final and who had to go to immediate surgery due to it.

 

[MartinGibson86]

You are not the one who says and sets universal standard is someone good HW or not, you have rankings, data and oppinions of media, fans and journalists from that time.

Yoshida was ranked HW.
Wanderlei was both LHW champion and even formally ranked HW by major media, he had ranked HW win a fight before.

Cro Cop entered the final bout with broken foot, he was the one who was carrying injury into the final and whi had to go to immediate surgery due to it.

Lol

Wand beat zero good HWs his whole career.


Just stop

 

[Handsome Bruce]

Stipe if both where in there primes? I just don't see how stipe would hold off crocop. He couldn't keep him down and I feel crocop right leg hospital or left leg cemeteries him. What do you all think?

You missed a part. It is right-leg hospital, left-leg cemetery, middle-leg abortion.

 

[mjfan23]

Lol

Wand beat zero good HWs his whole career.


Just stop

And Stipe beat zero HWs under the age of 30.

Last two times he fought someone younger than a geriatric he lost(twice).

This argument is utterly worthless. Heavier weights are shit and it’s not just HW! the number one ranked LHW is Glover Tex hahaha he’s been the game for three decades been knocked out before multiple times, is slower and worse than ever yet on an incredible tear in the modern evolved ufc.

 

[MartinGibson86]

And Stipe beat zero HWs under the age of 30.

Last two times he fought someone younger than a geriatric he lost(twice).

This argument is utterly worthless. Heavier weights are shit and it’s not just HW! the number one ranked LHW is Glover Tex hahaha he’s been the game for three decades been knocked out before multiple times, is slower and worse than ever yet on an incredible tear in the modern evolved ufc.

The avg age of champions in UFC and ellTor is 32.8.

This includes 125, 135, 145. and WMMA----all lower peakages than men's HW.

 

[mjfan23]

The avg age of champions in UFC and ellTor is 32.8.

This includes 125, 135, 145. and WMMA----all lower peakages than men's HW.

Smoking increases risk of impotency by 18%


Any other random irrelevant fact you want to share?

Here’s a relevant Fact you forgot to address: Stipe is a geriatric killer only. He hasn’t beaten anyone young during his UFC run. A run which has officially surpassed Timmeh (lol huge achievement) as the ufc GOAT Hw title reign.

LHW division is just as bad: Glover Tex is ranked number one lol

LW, wmma and below: where the actual improvement and evolution has visibly happened.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Smoking increases risk of impotency by 18%


Any other random irrelevant fact you want to share?

Here’s a relevant Fact you forgot to address: Stipe is a geriatric killer only. He hasn’t beaten anyone young during his UFC run. A run which has officially surpassed Timmeh (lol huge achievement) as the ufc GOAT Hw title reign.

LHW division is just as bad: Glover Tex is ranked number one lol

LW, wmma and below: where the actual improvement and evolution has visibly happened.

Its not irrelevant at all you simp.


"Derr Stipe never beat anyone under 30"


Who fucking cares? Virtually no elite fighter is under 30.

I also agree Timmy sucked.


Hes Fedors 4th best win.

 

[Bjjpitbull8]

Yea I'm sure Stipe woulda struggled with Minowa and Yoshida.


Christ you cultists need to move on

Right. I am a cultist because I am not impressed by a slightly above mediocre HW beating 38-43 year old HW’s, who had been knocked out repeatedly before facing him. I’m not even a Cro Cop fan. But only people who just started watching mma believe that Stipe would be able to handle him or the top guys in the HW division during those years.

You’re delusional. The only young guy Stipe has fought was Struve. And look what happened. Yes, he’d struggle badly with the guys I named, as well as Coleman, Randleman, and many others. He’s not impressive in the least bit. Francis is a one trick pony, so coasting to a decision over him is nothing to write home about either.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

In a ring sure. Crocop couldn't figure out how to cut people off in the cage though. Guy's would just circle around endlessly while he tried to set up the LHK.

And I don’t think that he had great hands. I’m not saying they were bad, but they were so much less dangerous than the kicks. Fighters game plan around the kicks and just have to deal with the hands.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Right. I am a cultist because I am not impressed by a slightly above mediocre HW beating 38-43 year old HW’s, who had been knocked out repeatedly before facing him. I’m not even a Cro Cop fan. But only people who just started watching mma believe that Stipe would be able to handle him or the top guys in the HW division during those years.

You’re delusional. The only young guy Stipe has fought was Struve. And look what happened. Yes, he’d struggle badly with the guys I named, as well as Coleman, Randleman, and many others. He’s not impressive in the least bit. Francis is a one trick pony, so coasting to a decision over him is nothing to write home about either.

Again with the age.


Who cares?


Weird that Nog, CC, and Fedor all went to shit in early 30s Midko was so shopworn after Pride that he continued fighting for 12+ years...and did nothing, even in the abysmal HW division

DC and Francis piss pound anyone whoever fought in Pride

 

[TJ Dillashank]

Prime Cro Cop kills Stipe

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Right. I am a cultist because I am not impressed by a slightly above mediocre HW beating 38-43 year old HW’s, who had been knocked out repeatedly before facing him. I’m not even a Cro Cop fan. But only people who just started watching mma believe that Stipe would be able to handle him or the top guys in the HW division during those years.
.

In that era what exactly did he do that was so unbelievably spectacular that leads you to the conclusion that all-time great fighters like DC or Stipe can’t handle him in his supposed prime? To me CC getting smashed by the likes of JDS was no fluke. He gets beat up by JDS at any age. Gets grinded out by DC or Stipe at any age. 2007 he comes to the UFC with full expectations he’s going to win the championship. There was absolutely zero conversation about him being past his prime. Nostalgia is a blinding thing friend..

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Prime Cro Cop kills Stipe

Stipe has multiple ways to win the fight. If they fought three times the odds greatly favor Stipe winning two out of three. Greatly. He’s just more versatile and that’s not even close. Head kick. Basically the only path to victory for CC..

 

[Sweater of AV]

Yes prime Mirko beats Stipe. No shame in that though, Stipe is a very good fighter.

 

[snaportap21]

Cage or ring? It matters.

Your level of understanding surpasses satisfactory.

 

[Bjjpitbull8]

In that era what exactly did he do that was so unbelievably spectacular that leads you to the conclusion that all-time great fighters like DC or Stipe can’t handle him in his supposed prime? To me CC getting smashed by the likes of JDS was no fluke. He gets beat up by JDS at any age. Gets grinded out by DC or Stipe at any age. 2007 he comes to the UFC with full expectations he’s going to win the championship. There was absolutely zero conversation about him being past his prime. Nostalgia is a blinding thing friend..

I definitely agree that Strikeforce and early ufc title run Dc would beat Cro cop.

Jds before his wars with Cain? Very likely, yes, he beats Cro cop.

There is zero nostalgia. I’m not a pride fanatic. I simply don’t think STIPE, or the current 2021 hw roster is impressive. I never said he was washed up at 33 when he debuted in the ufc. But if we are picking a peak version of him for the sake of conversation to fight Stipe, I don’t choose that version of him. I choose pre-Fedor Cro Cop. Regardless, I think either version beats Stipe. What Dc or Jds would do to cro cop, in their primes is irrelevant. Neither of those guys in their peak form are currently fighting at hw.