Social Push to end “nice racism”

[nhbbear]

Aversive racism can be a veneer for colorblind racism.



Here's the thing. Conservatives are named conservatives because they want to conserve what they already have.

Unfortunately, the argument to eliminate the division can't be made from a moral perspective. It needs to be transactional. The desire to eliminate the divisions needs to be greater than the perks of maintaining the status quo.

If you can paint a realistic picture of a more prosperous world for everybody, then be prepared to be assassinated.

I thought conservatives are so named because they want a conservative amount of government=small government

 

[nhbbear]

So you don't think there's a difference between meeting a black person and telling them all the racist things your family used to say (which is what she claimed she regretted having done) and meeting a black person and telling them about your dogs?

You think DiAngelo's book says any time a white person is friendly with a POC it's inherently racist?? That was your takeaway??

that’s what you got out of me saying that she says white people are
Inherently and without exceptions racist on some level? Also, I have disagreed with her assertion that nice racism is just as bad if not worse than overt racism

 

[nhbbear]

...i was pointing out that it wasn't a valid example.



i guess i don't understand why this thread exists, then

When I was growing up, you were told to ignore race. This is not the case now. We are to observe race, especially when white, to accept that we have privilege and to be deferent to minorities

 

[ShadowRun]

Pandora’s box has been opened it’s only going to get more stupid .. animals and math are racist , soon Mother Nature and lakes

 

[rob mafia]

When I was growing up, you were told to ignore race. This is not the case now. We are to observe race, especially when white, to accept that we have privilege and to be deferent to minorities

and how's that working out?

 

[Jake the Muss]

I thought conservatives are so named because they want a conservative amount of government=small government

Smaller government = less taxes = conserve more

 

[The_Renaissance]

So you don't think there's a difference between meeting a black person and telling them all the racist things your family used to say (which is what she claimed she regretted having done) and meeting a black person and telling them about your dogs?

You think DiAngelo's book says any time a white person is friendly with a POC it's inherently racist?? That was your takeaway??

Exactly. She, personally, is awkward and socially inept around black people because she has white guilt due to her sheltered life. So she wants to assume and insist all white people are like her even though most white people wouldn't consider "racist things my parents have said" to be appropriate dinner table etiquette, regardless of company.....let alone when your company are ethnic minorities.

She has terrible manners and social etiquette. It bugs her. So she projects.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I referenced this quote in another response

Which is funny because it refers to people like you as wolves

 

[Islam Imamate]

I thought conservatives are so named because they want a conservative amount of government=small government

Conservative is a relative term that implies the person in question wants to conserve the existing status quo or to return to the values and institutions of the past

In Russia conservative refers to old school communist sympathizers of the USSR for instance

 

[cooks1]

How, precisely, do you distinguish nice racism from 'just being nice'?

And while we are on the topic, are we really sure black people care why someone is being nice to them? I don't really care why people are nice to me. I just care that they are nice. By my reckoning, that's a racist assumption. Think I'll write a book about it.

If you are in a bar, and a beautiful young lady pulls you into a bathroom stall, pulls your trousers down and starts gobbling away, how much time do you invest exploring the motivations for her generosity? Would you stop her if she told you she felt like 'your kind needed something to fall their way'?

 

[PrinceOfPain]

I kind of agree with her.

If someone is super nice to you because they don't think you're capable of handling any criticism, then not only do they not respect you, but they are denying you an opportunity to prove even to yourself that you are capable of handling criticism. If you're nice to someone just because he/she is black, it doesn't say anything good about your opinion of black people.
If someone screams a racial slur at you, it says more about them than you.

Personally, I've always distrusted niceness.

 

[cooks1]

I don’t know who this person is—but she’s actually not making a bad point. In her example, she’s talking about how in her desire to be seen as progressive and not racist, she actually made race an issue in a setting where it wasn’t an issue previously. Tbh, I think there are many well-meaning people, myself probably included, and also including non-progressives, who do things that are harmful in some way or another but it happens outside of their awareness. One of my great frustrations when discussing race issues with conservative-leaning people is that they often seem deathly allergic to even having the discussion. They want to believe that racism is a thing of the past, they don’t seem to understand why it’s even being discussed, and they often refuse to examine their own behaviors and actions even when no one is accusing them of being a racist person in general.

We can acknowledge everything you wrote without inventing a whole new category of racism. Seems like all of that can fit neatly into the already well established categories of normative social influence, social awkwardness, and white guilt.

 

[nhbbear]

Which is funny because it refers to people like you as wolves

*howl, however, I would object to being in the overt racism category. Not even close

 

[nhbbear]

Conservative is a relative term that implies the person in question wants to conserve the existing status quo or to return to the values and institutions of the past

In Russia conservative refers to old school communist sympathizers of the USSR for instance

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[Social Warlord]

All day every day

A Muslim former intelligence officer says systemic racism at CSIS is a threat to national security | CBC News

 

[GearSolidMetal]

She's an admitted white racist, yet the MSM and Corporate America are promoting her personal appearances and books.

Wow.

'Member when admitted white racists were shunned by everyone but other white racists? I 'member.

 

[Social Warlord]

Pandora’s box has been opened it’s only going to get more stupid .. animals and math are racist , soon Mother Nature and lakes

Guns are racist.

'Dying of whiteness': why racism is at the heart of America's gun inaction | US gun control | The Guardian
Metzl argues that the intensity and polarization of the US gun debate makes much more sense when understood in the context of whiteness and white privilege.

White Americans’ attempt to defend their status in the racial hierarchy by opposing issues like gun control, healthcare expansion or public school funding ends up injuring themselves, as well as hurting people of color, Metzl argues.


What a painfully obvious psy-op

 

[BIKES!]

Conservative is a relative term that implies the person in question wants to conserve the existing status quo or to return to the values and institutions of the past

In Russia conservative refers to old school communist sympathizers of the USSR for instance

Most people in terms of politics would use the second definition. If we are being simplistic it would mean basically pro smaller government.

second definition: a person favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and (socially traditional ideas). The last part not meaning anything other than tradition in the sense of not letting hairy 300lb men with 10 inch cocks enter the girls bathroom because he feels like a little girl that day

 

[BFoe]

If you think there's an issue of "institutional racism", why don't you direct the complaints at the people in charge of the institutions instead of trying to browbeat people who aren't in charge of any of them? Why would they be directed at conservatives when conservatives don't run the education system, the media, the entertainment industry, nearly the entire government bureaucracy, almost every corporation, the tech industry the majority of publishing companies?

Do you think anybody is going to take it seriously when Michelle Obama, Megan Markle, and Oprah are sitting around at a chateau talking about how privileged those gross peasants working 9-5s are?

Jesus, Robin DiAngelo and Ibram Rogers charge more for a 2 hour speaking engagement than the people they're denouncing as privileged racists make in an entire year. The left used to pretend to be against "punching down", but that is all they do now and then your book is removed from Amazon, you're banned from social media and fired from your job if you object to being berated.

I mentioned (and linked to) issues of police discrimination, to take one example. Sheriffs are an elected position. Police chiefs are either elected, or appointed by mayors (which itself is an elected position). The people in our legislatures at city, county, state and federal levels, are elected positions. The point of the discussions we are having, and most political discussions in general, is to raise awareness and make a case for a given POV, in hopes of persuading one’s fellow citizens as to needed change so that they will join you in voting for certain things, or pressuring elected officials for certain laws or needed change. It’s been going on in America since we were English colonies, and in fact is a good part of the reason we are not English colonies currently. Open discussions among the citizenry to persuade ones fellow citizens for needed change and action, is literally the foundation of most types of Democratic-based societies. If you didn’t realize this,,you must’ve found this entire War Room forum quite confusing, and wondered what the hell we’re all doing here.

It’s a bit silly to say things like “conservatives don’t run education.” Who “runs education”? State education boards do. How do they get there? If not elected directly, they are appointed by elected governors, or by (elected) governors with consent of the (elected) senate. So in many states, conservatives do in fact “run education” (or at least have a very significant say in it). Re business, do I need to list all the Fortune 500 companies run by conservatives, or that donate significantly to conservative causes? The argument you’re trying to make just doesn’t hold up.

And I’m going to be blunt: I get that it’s “hot and trendy” for conservatives to pretend that they’re the real victims, and frankly they need to knock it off. You’re not being “browbeaten.” I mean, we have the persistent issues that I mentioned and linked to in my previous post, but it’s you that’s the real victim because you find the discussion inconvenient or difficult?
The fact that you think anyone is browbeating you speaks to the exact pointless defensiveness I mentioned. White people—of which I am one, and feel no guilt—have been the dominant voice in society for hundreds of years. And by and large, we’re doing just fine. You’re not oppressed. You’re not a victim.

Before I wrap this post up, a quick note about “white privilege.” In my previous post, I linked to studies which showed things like white people being less likely to be pulled over and searched, or things related to employment opportunity. That’s white privilege. White privilege does NOT mean:
-That we need to feel guilty for who we are.
-That we didn’t work hard for what we have, or that we don’t deserve it.
-That there’s no such thing as a successful black person (like your friend Oprah).
-That there is no such thing as a poor (economically disadvantaged) white person.
None of these things are contradictory to the idea of white privilege.

 

[BFoe]

We can acknowledge everything you wrote without inventing a whole new category of racism. Seems like all of that can fit neatly into the already well established categories of normative social influence, social awkwardness, and white guilt.

Yeah, I could do without the additional categories too. Addressing the issues is what’s important to me, the labels seem more like marketing.

I thought conservatives are so named because they want a conservative amount of government=small government

Most people in terms of politics would use the second definition. If we are being simplistic it would mean basically pro smaller government.

second definition: a person favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and (socially traditional ideas). The last part not meaning anything other than tradition in the sense of not letting hairy 300lb men with 10 inch cocks enter the girls bathroom because he feels like a little girl that day

But would you guys agree that it’s at least a fair generalization? There are clearly differences in our political ideologies, and what resonates. I’ll give an example. What did Obama and Trump run on that resonated with their supporters?
Obama ran on “hope and change,” which are forward-looking. Hope is essentially optimism that the future will (or can) be better than the present or past. Change is the idea that we can do something now to make the future better.
“Make America Great Again,” i.e., “like it used to be,” is backward-looking. It posits an idea that things used to be better than they are, and we need to recapture that. Liberals for better or worse are concerned with what we can do to make things change for the better (what we believe to be better, or course). Conservatives are wanting to hold on to things that they have now and like, or used to have and want back.
Would you say that is a fair or unfair assessment on my part?