Opinion What's Dan Crenshaw's deal with David Goggins?

[Gregolian]

I've read Goggins's book and have listened to (and met) Jocko for years. Not much on Crenshaw besides his appearances on JRE and Jocko's podcast.

From what I can gather, Goggins is introverted and antisocial. I'm not saying this disparagingly and I think he would agree on that description. The overwhelming majority of his public image including Jesse Itzler's book Living With a SEAL and other sources are all about the SELF. Mental toughness, running ultra marathons, etc.

There's nothing wrong with that, but combined with his self-professed desire NOT to hang out and get beers with other team guys, his becoming a recruiter for the SEALs and literally getting paid to run marathons and talk about mental toughness instead of deploying overseas and his obsession with doing hard things just for their own sake (he went through 2 or 3 hell weeks, completed Ranger school and tried out for DEVGRU and Delta Force) makes it seem, to me at least, like he is more interested in collecting "merit badges" than actually fighting wars, killing bad guys and breaking their stuff. Least of all anything related to working with others, leadership or team concepts.

The combination of all these things is what I believe leads others in the SEAL world to not like Goggins very much.

Goggins being anti-social surprises me that he was able to make it through BUDS given how team orientated it seems to be.

I know Jocko catches heat on this site for how he talks and stuff but a lot of what he talks about his time in the SEALs is working with people that you consider to be family basically. All of Goggins stuff is about self.

 

[TheJewBear]

Yeah think I remember him saying he needed to be around alpha male energy its just weird that he would be so antisocial while he was there. You'd think he'd want to make friends with these people who he finds motivation from. Makes him seem a little bit on the selfish side.

He's been burned a lot in his life, especially early childhood. I don't blame him for not liking people after what he's been through.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I've read Goggins's book and have listened to (and met) Jocko for years. Not much on Crenshaw besides his appearances on JRE and Jocko's podcast.

From what I can gather, Goggins is introverted and antisocial. I'm not saying this disparagingly and I think he would agree on that description. The overwhelming majority of his public image including Jesse Itzler's book Living With a SEAL and other sources are all about the SELF. Mental toughness, running ultra marathons, etc.

There's nothing wrong with that, but combined with his self-professed desire NOT to hang out and get beers with other team guys, his becoming a recruiter for the SEALs and literally getting paid to run marathons and talk about mental toughness instead of deploying overseas and his obsession with doing hard things just for their own sake (he went through 2 or 3 hell weeks, completed Ranger school and tried out for DEVGRU and Delta Force) makes it seem, to me at least, like he is more interested in collecting "merit badges" than actually fighting wars, killing bad guys and breaking their stuff. Least of all anything related to working with others, leadership or team concepts.

The combination of all these things is what I believe leads others in the SEAL world to not like Goggins very much.

This seems like a great summary.

Goggins seems like the 'Work harder, not smarter' type of SEAL who may be the most physically fit and mentally tough in an entire company... BUT... he's never focused on leadership and the responsibilities of getting in a combat zone, completing a mission, and getting out with the fewest casualties.

Can't recall any deployments Goggins has actually been a part of, and that's really weird for such a decorated SEAL. He's clearly one of the toughest men that's ever been a part of that military unit but rather than sending him on deployments they allowed him to get 'merit badges' (great way to say it). That's REALLY weird.

As Crenshaw said "Goggins is a different brand" and that, respectfully, is true.

 

[Heisenboom]

He is a recruitment of the WEF - a "young leader". Take a few fancy pictures in The Middle East and have an interesting father; https://www.endeavormgmt.com/team-member/jim-crenshaw

 

[lfd0311]

This the second time I've heard him speak about David Goggins and it seems like he some personal issue with him. The first time was on Rogan's podcast where Joe was bringing him up and Dan basically said something like he didn't know David Goggins which seemed a little dismissive but wasn't a big deal. Then here he is putting David Goggins down saying what he does isn't "SEAL like". Wtf does that even mean? Being a motivational fitness guy isn't "SEAL like" but being a suit and tie wearing politician is? He also questions David Goggins resume saying he isn't known for any deployments, and also questions David Goggin's toughness, saying that a guy who gets shot and walks away is tougher than Goggins. That may or may not be true but why even bring it up?

I mean, if you just watched the video you could tell what his problem is.

 

[jericksen5]

Goggins is of the same vein as Chris Kyle in terms of fabrication, and self admiration. There are legitimate questions on the guys claims.

What exactly has Goggins claimed that is being disputed? Haven’t heard anyone say this, other than Crenshaw, who sounded like he didn’t have a clue what he was talking about.

 

[SakurabasEar]

What exactly has Goggins claimed that is being disputed? Haven’t heard anyone say this, other than Crenshaw, who sounded like he didn’t have a clue what he was talking about.

Its not his service record itself thats being disputed, it was his experience in the book he wrote compared in context with the people that actually knew him (like chris kyle) that was the problem.

I didn't personally read it, but apprantly its why he's controversial in the seal community so to speak, and why jotko and crenshaw don't like to talk about him.

As to what exactly he made up, or what he over played idk. But the people that knew him know. He's not the first nor will he be the last navy seal to write a book thats not entirely grounded in reality.

 

[jericksen5]

Its not his service record itself thats being disputed, it was his experience in the book he wrote compared in context with the people that actually knew him (like chris kyle) that was the problem.

I didn't personally read it, but apprantly its why he's controversial in the seal community so to speak, and why jotko and crenshaw don't like to talk about him.

As to what exactly he made up, or what he over played idk. But the people that knew him know. He's not the first nor will he be the last navy seal to write a book thats not entirely grounded in reality.

Not sure where you’re getting this from. Jocko has spoken about David and didn’t have anything disparaging to say that I’ve ever heard. I doubt Chris Kyle ever said a word about David.

Marcus Latrell has also spoken pretty openly about David and not only had nothing but praise for David, Marcus even shared his own crazy stories about David that David hasn’t even talked about publicly.

Crenshaw sounding a bit like a whiny bitch is the first I’ve ever heard of anyone pseudo dismissing Goggins.

 

[Gregolian]

Not sure where you’re getting this from. Jocko has spoken about David and didn’t have anything disparaging to say that I’ve ever heard. I doubt Chris Kyle ever said a word about David.

Marcus Latrell has also spoken pretty openly about David and not only had nothing but praise for David, Marcus even shared his own crazy stories about David that David hasn’t even talked about publicly.

Crenshaw sounding a bit like a whiny bitch is the first I’ve ever heard of anyone pseudo dismissing Goggins.

I think you get like 3 general types of SEALs out there. The ones that are very open and frank about what they did to the point they get accused of only going through BUD/S so they can write a book by other branches. The others that are like "yeah, I went through BUD/S big fucking deal so have 1000s of others" and then those in the middle that hold the Eagle/Trident/Anchor in high esteem and went on combat missions but DIDN'T write a book.

Goggins isn't the first but his book and all his workout stuff I think has some view him that way. Jocko is the second one, Crenshaw is closer to the third. Jocko talks about BUD/S and said once no one talks about it really after cause "yeah, we all did it so who cares?"

Goggins would be the ultimate workout partner as long as you could do your own thing and he was just the one screaming at you while you're doing your set:


Specifically that part where he's doing bench with Cameron Hanes and his "who's going to carry the boats" speech. Shit like that can make some people willing to run through a brickwall.


I think Crenshaw's personality and Goggins' would never mesh even if they were never SEALs. They could have both been regular Army Infantry in like the Big Red One and they still would have personalities that wouldn't mesh.

 

[Son of Ireland 34]

Crenshaw is blowhard, he was promoted as being something he's not. He's the typical politician goes to Washington and turns into Washington.
Goggins is a weird cat but he's an animal, Crenshaw is just a big mouth.

The more Patchy talks, the more I dont like him. He was cool when he first started, but you can tell he's let DC change him. He thinks red flag laws should be apart of the gun control conversation.

 

[SakurabasEar]

Not sure where you’re getting this from. Jocko has spoken about David and didn’t have anything disparaging to say that I’ve ever heard. I doubt Chris Kyle ever said a word about David.

Marcus Latrell has also spoken pretty openly about David and not only had nothing but praise for David, Marcus even shared his own crazy stories about David that David hasn’t even talked about publicly.

Crenshaw sounding a bit like a whiny bitch is the first I’ve ever heard of anyone pseudo dismissing Goggins.

I meant chris kyle as in he was also a navy seal that wrote a book that had controversial bullshit in it.

If you listen to jotkos podcast, you'll know where I'm coming from in terms of him.

The problem here is whats specifically fabricated or overplayed is known to only goggins and those around him-

How we know he lied or misrepresented something is contained in this court casefile in which he fought for the rights on a sopposed movie deal in his life that fell through

https://casetext.com/case/castro-v-goggins-1


You don't have to know the exact temperature to fathom that water is hot. The guy is bullshiting several things most likely, but is probably threatening defamation suits now that he has money.

Crenshaw is just calling it like he sees it.

 

[jericksen5]

I think you get like 3 general types of SEALs out there. The ones that are very open and frank about what they did to the point they get accused of only going through BUD/S so they can write a book by other branches. The others that are like "yeah, I went through BUD/S big fucking deal so have 1000s of others" and then those in the middle that hold the Eagle/Trident/Anchor in high esteem and went on combat missions but DIDN'T write a book.

Goggins isn't the first but his book and all his workout stuff I think has some view him that way. Jocko is the second one, Crenshaw is closer to the third. Jocko talks about BUD/S and said once no one talks about it really after cause "yeah, we all did it so who cares?"

Goggins would be the ultimate workout partner as long as you could do your own thing and he was just the one screaming at you while you're doing your set:


Specifically that part where he's doing bench with Cameron Hanes and his "who's going to carry the boats" speech. Shit like that can make some people willing to run through a brickwall.


I think Crenshaw's personality and Goggins' would never mesh even if they were never SEALs. They could have both been regular Army Infantry in like the Big Red One and they still would have personalities that wouldn't mesh.

I just don’t get the comments from Crenshaw. He seemed to be dismissive of Goggins but provided no real reason as to why.

I haven’t read David’s book and not super knowledgeable on the guy, but the stuff I have heard and seen, I haven’t ever heard Goggins ever talk about combat, being superior to any of his peers, etc so it doesn’t appear like he’s out there selling himself as something he isn’t.
What I have heard Goggins talk about ad nauseam is his own personal faults and shortcomings, and how he overcame all of that thru self discipline and taking personal responsibility for the trajectory of his life. How anyone could be critical of that, especially a Republican politician, is baffling.

 

[Gregolian]

I just don’t get the comments from Crenshaw. He seemed to be dismissive of Goggins but provided no real reason as to why.

I haven’t read David’s book and not super knowledgeable on the guy, but the stuff I have heard and seen, I haven’t ever heard Goggins ever talk about combat, being superior to any of his peers, etc so it doesn’t appear like he’s out there selling himself as something he isn’t.
What I have heard Goggins talk about ad nauseam is his own personal faults and shortcomings, and how he overcame all of that thru self discipline and taking personal responsibility for the trajectory of his life. How anyone could be critical of that, especially a Republican politician, is baffling.

Crenshaw is a charlatan maybe?

I lean right but the guy is the definition of "The Swamp" at this stage.

The other thing is I think Crenshaw falls a bit into that realm of veteran where they get super judgemental if you never deployed. You know the kind on Facebook that post randomly "KUWAIT ISN'T A DEPLOYMENT" cause some support guy claiming deployment by being in a support role grinds their gears. They're also most likely to be the type to preach about their service every Veterans day or Memorial day.

@My Spot @Protectandserve and @Mike Hagger would probably have way more insight into this sort of thing.

EDIT:
How did I type the wrong insight initially holy shit.

 

[kenetics]

I like Goggins and his messages. I get he is un Seal like in his language (a lot of swearing and bluntness) and how he can be defensive. But to question his toughness... that's fucking insane. He's one of the toughest mother fuckers alive... period!

This and I don't like the guy lol.

 

[kenetics]

You're not wrong. His motivation for joining the SEALs was getting out of the rut in life that he had found himself. Not many people realize that Goggins joined the SEALs as a Navy reservist.

Which most people can't succeed becoming a seal.

 

[Natural Order]

Fractures in the SEAL cult?? Heaven forbid!

Also remember Crenshaw is a guy who totally dismissed fellow combat vets who once attempted to express their concerns over Trump to him in the congressional hallway.

Is this post supposed to call out Crenshaw for poor behaviour or ethics? As a result of a couple of veterans speaking hyperbolically and frantically about dozens of topics as he's walking somewhere?
They may have legitimate concern, but you don't approach it like that. Everybody will keep walking, even if they may agree. Stop making a scene and act rationally.

 

[second sight]

The more Patchy talks, the more I dont like him. He was cool when he first started, but you can tell he's let DC change him. He thinks red flag laws should be apart of the gun control conversation.

do you really have 2 sets of twins?

 

[BIKES!]

This and I don't like the guy lol.

Me, Goggins or both? <Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

 

[jericksen5]

I meant chris kyle as in he was also a navy seal that wrote a book that had controversial bullshit in it.

If you listen to jotkos podcast, you'll know where I'm coming from in terms of him.

The problem here is whats specifically fabricated or overplayed is known to only goggins and those around him-

How we know he lied or misrepresented something is contained in this court casefile in which he fought for the rights on a sopposed movie deal in his life that fell through

https://casetext.com/case/castro-v-goggins-1


You don't have to know the exact temperature to fathom that water is hot. The guy is bullshiting several things most likely, but is probably threatening defamation suits now that he has money.

Crenshaw is just calling it like he sees it.

Did you even bother to skim thru that link you posted?

Here’s the cliffs - Plaintiff claims Goggins verbally agreed to allow him to make a movie about his life. Goggins changes his mind after reading the guys script, decides to go with someone else to do a book and a movie. Plaintiff gets butthurt and sues David, while also claiming that there are inaccuracies in David’s story. David then countersues for defamation, and plaintiff requests the court dismiss David’s counter suit (the case your link is actually about). The court unequivocally sides with David Goggins, repeatedly stating the plaintiffs arguments fail miserably and Goggins defamation claims are valid in any possible way of interpretation.

 

[Son of Ireland 34]

do you really have 2 sets of twins?

Yes sir.