Finally the Ryan Hall myth has ended.



He called out Korean Zombie, then Called out Ige. They're not obligated to fight him. He's done nothing impressive to deserve a top 10 guy, when he himself isn't ranked. Ige obliged him and he pulled out. Did he think he was going to get rewarded with another top 10 guy? He hasn't shown the UFC that he's reliable and he doesn't generate that level of interest for them to wait on him like they did a khabib. He makes it sound like guys are ducking him. Really, there's no reason to fight Hall. He doesn't do much for anyone's stock. He himself is not even ranked. The guys that are unranked like him, are gunning for bottom top 15 guys or guys just on that verge, they are not gunning for hall. I'm sure some fighters didn't want to fight him because it wasn't a good matchup deemed by their manager, but this whole notion he's being ducked is a made up notion.

You're normally a great poster man and I respect your opinions. But you're so way off base on this one I'd suggest you look more into it. In february 2020 coming off the Elkins win, he was ranked #13. That's when he famously accused everyone of ducking him. He was number 13 and tried to get a fight with #12 through #6 and nobody wanted anything to do with it. So what? Only other fighters can use the "the fight doesn't make sense for me" when it's a lower ranked opponent? Ryan can't follow that same logic? Even still I showed you that article where he was willing to fight ANYBODY. You're biased dude and you're twisting what he said and did to fit your narrative. He wanted to stay active coming off the Elkins win. He wanted the fighter ranked immediately above him but they turned him down so he went down the line. Ryan didn't do anything that other fighters don't do but because you guys just hate his style you get triggered. Just say you don't like his style and you're happy he lost. No need to make shit up.
 
You're normally a great poster man and I respect your opinions. But you're so way off base on this one I'd suggest you look more into it. In february 2020 coming off the Elkins win, he was ranked #13. That's when he famously accused everyone of ducking him. He was number 13 and tried to get a fight with #12 through #6 and nobody wanted anything to do with it. So what? Only other fighters can use the "the fight doesn't make sense for me" when it's a lower ranked opponent? Ryan can't follow that same logic? Even still I showed you that article where he was willing to fight ANYBODY. You're biased dude and you're twisting what he said and did to fit your narrative. He wanted to stay active coming off the Elkins win. He wanted the fighter ranked immediately above him but they turned him down so he went down the line. Ryan didn't do anything that other fighters don't do but because you guys just hate his style you get triggered. Just say you don't like his style and you're happy he lost. No need to make shit up.
Ok then, I remember seeing the Elkins fight, I don't remember he had a ranking, if that's the case, then I apologize.

This has nothing to do about hate. My whole argument was an unranked guy shouldn't be thinking he's in line for ranked guys. You said he was ranked, so my mistake if that's true.
 
You mean the same way he “flopped around” when he submitted BJ, and beat the brakes off Elkins? You fuckin nancies are so butthurt about Ryan hall. Be butthurt about the fighter you’re rooting for being too scared shitless to engage on the ground.
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I respect the fact that he went all in with the leg lock set ups. He was baiting fighters to play his game, which can throw you off. He made people forget that you can just smash and go for the ground and pound. It was still entertaining to watch. Am curious to see if he changes up his gameplan.
 
I was honestly shocked he kept going for the roll and had zero other grappling entry's. I won't lie I was talking Hall up to my casual friends and then we get this performance.
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have to admit hall's style looked desperate, but he was afraid of Top's power and he was right to be.
 
this guy is not a fighter. no disrespect. just saying what i knew since he started mma. he was lucky to be able to fight guys like bj and maynard who are way past their expiration date.

he shouldve been let go after the fight with maynard. that was embarrasing
 
You're normally a great poster man and I respect your opinions. But you're so way off base on this one I'd suggest you look more into it. In february 2020 coming off the Elkins win, he was ranked #13. That's when he famously accused everyone of ducking him. He was number 13 and tried to get a fight with #12 through #6 and nobody wanted anything to do with it. So what? Only other fighters can use the "the fight doesn't make sense for me" when it's a lower ranked opponent? Ryan can't follow that same logic? Even still I showed you that article where he was willing to fight ANYBODY. You're biased dude and you're twisting what he said and did to fit your narrative. He wanted to stay active coming off the Elkins win. He wanted the fighter ranked immediately above him but they turned him down so he went down the line. Ryan didn't do anything that other fighters don't do but because you guys just hate his style you get triggered. Just say you don't like his style and you're happy he lost. No need to make shit up.

With all due respect, I believe you need to look more into.
First, from that Yahoo article you posted he is not willing to fight anybody, because he always qualifies it:
“We will fight anyone high caliber.”
“He’s still willing to fight people ranked beneath him, so long as they’re great fighters.
There is no problem with above statements, there is nothing wrong with qualifying his willingness as such. But, in doing so you are certainly not saying you are open to fighting anybody. Everybody isn’t high caliber, and that’s according to Hall himself, which brings me to my second point.
He’s been saying this since before he was ranked, in direct contradiction to your assertion; “[T]hat’s when he famously accused everyone of ducking him.“
In March 16, 2018 in an article written by Brett Okamoto for ESPN:
“Hall's issue is he is only willing to fight someone he believes is a legitimate, high-level challenge.”
“As far as stringing together wins, Hall won't do that either if it means facing opponents not on his level. He's simply not interested in doing so, and isn't convinced it would get him where he wants anyway.”
"If I go and fight 10 randoms -- and everyone in the UFC is very tough obviously, but there are significant levels between tiers -- there is no correlation between winning fights against randoms and fighting top-tier people. Look at [lightweight] James Vick. People still won't fight James Vick [9-1 in the UFC].”

He’s unwilling to fight anyone he deems beneath him - well that’s convenient, for only Ryan Hall can be the arbiter of such a statement. Using his own reasoning, anyone he claims to have ducked him could have made the same value judgment about Hall himself; that he’s not a worthy opponent.
Victories over Artem Lobov, Gray Maynard, BJ Penn and Darren Elkins are simply not “high caliber” victories. 3 out of those 4 guys are no longer in the UFC. In the case of Penn and Maynard, Hall fought them after their considerable decline. Maynard was 1-4 in his last 5 and Penn was 0-5 in his last 5 UFC bouts.
Only Elkins was positive in his last 5 at 3-2, and Hall fought him on a two fight skid, that would turn out to be a 4 fight losing streak.
Aside from Lobov(as TUF fights are considered exhibitions) half of all Halls victories came from opponents on a losing streak.
Legacies aside, how can Hall qualify his previous opponents as “high caliber” if half of them are on losing streaks?

His claims to being ducked are his opinion, that his fans have propagated as if it were a fact. His claim that he is willing to only fight high caliber or non-randoms doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. He’s very clear that he will only fight on his terms, but when it comes to other fighters doing the same, they’re ducking.
This is why people may not like him.
My .02, take it or leave it.
 
With all due respect, I believe you need to look more into.
First, from that Yahoo article you posted he is not willing to fight anybody, because he always qualifies it:
“We will fight anyone high caliber.”
“He’s still willing to fight people ranked beneath him, so long as they’re great fighters.
There is no problem with above statements, there is nothing wrong with qualifying his willingness as such. But, in doing so you are certainly not saying you are open to fighting anybody. Everybody isn’t high caliber, and that’s according to Hall himself, which brings me to my second point.
He’s been saying this since before he was ranked, in direct contradiction to your assertion; “[T]hat’s when he famously accused everyone of ducking him.“
In March 16, 2018 in an article written by Brett Okamoto for ESPN:
“Hall's issue is he is only willing to fight someone he believes is a legitimate, high-level challenge.”
“As far as stringing together wins, Hall won't do that either if it means facing opponents not on his level. He's simply not interested in doing so, and isn't convinced it would get him where he wants anyway.”
"If I go and fight 10 randoms -- and everyone in the UFC is very tough obviously, but there are significant levels between tiers -- there is no correlation between winning fights against randoms and fighting top-tier people. Look at [lightweight] James Vick. People still won't fight James Vick [9-1 in the UFC].”

He’s unwilling to fight anyone he deems beneath him - well that’s convenient, for only Ryan Hall can be the arbiter of such a statement. Using his own reasoning, anyone he claims to have ducked him could have made the same value judgment about Hall himself; that he’s not a worthy opponent.
Victories over Artem Lobov, Gray Maynard, BJ Penn and Darren Elkins are simply not “high caliber” victories. 3 out of those 4 guys are no longer in the UFC. In the case of Penn and Maynard, Hall fought them after their considerable decline. Maynard was 1-4 in his last 5 and Penn was 0-5 in his last 5 UFC bouts.
Only Elkins was positive in his last 5 at 3-2, and Hall fought him on a two fight skid, that would turn out to be a 4 fight losing streak.
Aside from Lobov(as TUF fights are considered exhibitions) half of all Halls victories came from opponents on a losing streak.
Legacies aside, how can Hall qualify his previous opponents as “high caliber” if half of them are on losing streaks?

His claims to being ducked are his opinion, that his fans have propagated as if it were a fact. His claim that he is willing to only fight high caliber or non-randoms doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. He’s very clear that he will only fight on his terms, but when it comes to other fighters doing the same, they’re ducking.
This is why people may not like him.
My .02, take it or leave it.
Gonna say that I think as an MMA fighter, he's doing himself a disservice by not being more open to challenges even if they're not ranked, established names, or stylistically interesting. But he signed the contract for Lamas who was unranked, and Topuria, who is both unranked and on paper a very dangerous matchup. Just because he didn't wanna risk his brain health fighting a laundry list of unknowns doesn't make his wish for tough fights invalid. I def think there's a healthy balance in between the Cowboy Cerrone and Ryan Hall worldviews but really, I'm more disappointed he didn't understand the need for wrestling to actually set up his BJJ in MMA rather than his pickiness.
 
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KO of the night for sure. Butt floppers deserve to be KOd
 
I mean, his best win is what? BJ? BJ was on a SIX fight losing streak, Hall was loss #7, then Guida was #8. (Fat guy at bar was #9).

Penn hadn’t won a fight since Hughes in 2010, he fought Hall in 2018.
 
He lost a fight and has a very good record. He will regroup.
 
Sherdoggers are never happy with anything (except for interminable and boring 'who has the worst fan base' arguments.) I don't get the Ryan Hall hate. I thought it was fun to watch a throwback fighter do so well with one exceptionally good skillset. Yes he pulled out of fights, but he did really have to work to get fights because modern and well-rounded fighters were so afraid of that part of his game. It was entertaining to watch the odd man out flummox so many opponents.

The UFC is obligated to offer you 3 fights every year otherwise they have to pay you the show money. Whether you accept any of the fights the UFC offers you is a different matter. Unless Hall has a different contract, it means he's been refusing to fight whomever is offered to him. He's already pulled out of the Lamas and Ige fights, so that's 2 fights right there. Burns was calling him out and he hasn't fought him so that might be the 3rd fight, which means we're missing 2 fights that Hall refused since 2019 and potentially another 2 this year.
 
Embarrassed? He lost a fight. Props to Topuria, but does this mean every fighter who gets KO’d got embarrassed?

I like Ryan but that was embarrassing. Offered literally nothing. Rolling around endlessly only to get obliterated on the ground. He looked like he didn’t belong in the ufc (he clearly does). He’s world class but that was a dumbass performance. Show something else. That well was dry from the opening bell. It looked like he’s never trained striking. Likely the easiest fight Topuria has ever had or ever will have. Hopefully he comes back with a wider range of tools because I really do enjoy watching him fight. More tools will only open up his bread and butter more.
 
I like Ryan but that was embarrassing. Offered literally nothing. Rolling around endlessly only to get obliterated on the ground. He looked like he didn’t belong in the ufc (he clearly does). He’s world class but that was a dumbass performance. Show something else. That well was dry from the opening bell. It looked like he’s never trained striking. Likely the easiest fight Topuria has ever had or ever will have. Hopefully he comes back with a wider range of tools because I really do enjoy watching him fight. More tools will only open up his bread and butter more.
With a broken hand? Let me guess...he was lying that he broke his hand the first punch right?
 
I’m a huge fan. I always said guys need to stop being so chicken shit and follow him to the ground and beat him up A la Alan belcher Rousimar Palhares. Topuria did exactly that and I give him the credit he deserves.
Alan Belcher was such a fucking G when he did that to Palhares. He was the first guy that really stood up to Rousimir and just didn't give a fuck.
 
I like his trolling style too. Also I don’t get the hate it’s not like he’s Paul Harris.
I think the majority of people like dominate fighters to be humble. If they don't and tune in its to see them lose. Hall acted arrogant while beating fighters he probably would've lost to in their prime then shrugs. Lets be honest. He wasn't beating world beaters and started to get a little cocky. In my opinion he was a one trick pony that was going to get figured out pretty quick. If he continues to climb the ladder I don't think he'll find much success with his style now.
Ever heard of the "It factor?"

whatever the heck that it, Ryan Hall has it.
Sorry but... No he does not have the " It factor" he is a one trick pony right now. He needs to go back to the drawing board. He is known for his nonchalant shoulder shrugging who knew attitude.
 
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