Help with my routine (strength / mobility exercises)

[MilkManUK]

Wow

 

[vision1]

If they can do 1000 push ups in a row with no rest daily already then at least 100 lbs for 1000 reps daily after 1 year is possible yes.

Who can do 1000 pushups in a row? Let alone with 100 lbs on their back.
You should start a log, I'd definitely follow along.

 

[Volador]

If your limit is 50 reps, it's the same as going to failure with whatever high weight. If you can do 2000 push ups then 1000 is training but going to 2000 would be better for strength gains.

For hypertrophy, going near failure with any rep/load will give you similar results when the volumes are similar, as long as you're lifting something like at least 30-40% of your max, can't remember the figure off the top of my head.

The idea that doing a load you can do 2000 reps with carries over to maximal strength just as much as going to failure with a load you can only rep 1-6 times is completely insane and flat out wrong lol. That would be like Usain Bolt running 50 miles in order to compete in the 100mts, or benching 25lbs for 1000 reps and expecting to bench 400lbs. These are nonsense posts, all due respect bro.

If you do 1000 push ups daily it's easy to add 5 lbs to a vest every other week for a year and wind up with a 415 lb bench when you step into the gym and touch a barbell for the first time.

This idea is also pretty insane and not a great way to go about it, nor a realistic expectation.

 

[Martial Sovereign]

For hypertrophy, going near failure with any rep/load will give you similar results when the volumes are similar, as long as you're lifting something like at least 40-50% of your max, can't remember the figure off the top of my head.

The idea that doing a load you can do 2000 reps with carries over to maximal strength just as much as going to failure with a load you can only rep 1-6 times is completely insane and flat out wrong lol. That would be like Usain Bolt running 50 miles in order to compete in the 100mts. These are nonsense posts, all due respect bro.



This idea is also pretty insane and not a great way to go about it, nor a realistic expectation.

Well I don't think anyone here knows anyone who can do 1000 push ups in a row but burnout sets are burnout sets. Usain Bolt does miles but that's a huge time sink. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of benefits to high high reps and that it gives a unique physique.

Who can do 1000 pushups in a row? Let alone with 100 lbs on their back.
You should start a log, I'd definitely follow along.

When do I get thread creation privileges.

 

[vision1]

Well I don't think anyone here knows anyone who can do 1000 push ups in a row but burnout sets are burnout sets. Usain Bolt does miles but that's a huge time sink. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of benefits to high high reps and that it gives a unique physique.

What about Bolt running miles and burnout sets? Not sure what you're getting at.

Academia claims (their model is) that when the slow twitch fibers are exhausted you start using the fast twitch fibers. That's why when one reaches their limit in endurance your veins pop, you turn red, every muscle is bulging out and your muscles are extremely tight and you have no strength afterwards.

This is an outrageous statement. Source?

 

[DoomPatrol]

lol record for going non-stop (without leaving plank) is 10k. https://www.recordholders.org/en/list/pushups.html
Someone did 5k a day for a year in this record list.

You're able to find those on the internet because of how impressive it is they are capable of doing that. That's not representative of the experience for most of the population.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Basically, you got guys doing thousands of reps of something because it's a low relative % of their max and they do it all the time. So if a push up is 60% of BW and you're 180 lbs then that's ~110 lb for something approximating the bench. If you can do 1000 push ups straight up then you can probably bench 225 - 275 lbs but if you use a repeated burnout method daily where you are doing sets of 20 to 5 after your big 1000 because your chest arms shoulders are dead you are probably up in the 315 lb bench area or more. 110 lbs is only 40 - 50% of your max bench but for strong athletes 50% of your max is 200 lbs. Doing 1000 reps with 200 lbs would be killer but its nothing if you adapt to 110 lbs then go for incremental progression.
Getting from 110lbs to 200+ lbs for 1000 reps is where the real struggle is. People are talking about wear and tear but your body spends those 1000 reps learning how to adapt to wear and tear and succeeds, hence the 5k push ups a day for a year record. Adding 5 lbs is slightly more wear and tear but the body can focus on strength and endurance-relative-to-max gains then moreso than structural integrity.

This and all your other statements feel like someone's idea of a troll. If you're actually serious then you're wrong in just about every way.

Your logic is sprinters who want to get better 100 or 200 times should run ultra marathons because sprinting times get better by running 100-300 mile ultra marathons. Does this make sense to you on any level?

 

[Fahcough]

This is some Herschel Walker theory. Doing that would leave little time for anything else, would take rest and recovery of 45 min - hour to kick out 1000 push ups. Or 250 and alot of falling down quarter reps.

 

[MatterOverMind]

I'm willing to bet there are a lot of benefits to high high reps and that it gives a unique physique.

Welp, there you have it.

 

[deadshot138]

1000 push ups daily


All natural drug free White House Chef Rush, is that you?

 

[Martial Sovereign]

What about Bolt running miles and burnout sets? Not sure what you're getting at.


This is an outrageous statement. Source?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31294822/
Well here's one.
Max Voluntary Contraction is to do with motor units and that also reaches max whether it's a 1RM or 1000RM. When everything is exhausted you pull in any fiber you got to get the job done lol.

This and all your other statements feel like someone's idea of a troll. If you're actually serious then you're wrong in just about every way.

Your logic is sprinters who want to get better 100 or 200 times should run ultra marathons because sprinting times get better by running 100-300 mile ultra marathons. Does this make sense to you on any level?

It makes sense but the training stimulus for sprinting would mostly occur when one reaches failure. So yes a set of your 10RM leads to strength gains similar enough to a set of your 100RM. If you do 5 sets of both 3x a week you'll see strength gains. You have to do it to failure and burnout sets, in principle, are a massive training stimulus but you have to train high reps to get the recovery down to train that way.

Welp, there you have it.

Ones that you might skim over like recovery, health, durability, mental endurance and strength, and general energy levels.

 

[Martial Sovereign]

This is some Herschel Walker theory. Doing that would leave little time for anything else, would take rest and recovery of 45 min - hour to kick out 1000 push ups. Or 250 and alot of falling down quarter reps.

Depends on training level. 20 minutes for 1000 push ups leaves 40 minutes in the hour, 1 hour 40 if you can train for 2.

 

[Martial Sovereign]

I can't post a training log till I reach 150 posts. I'll let you all know in this thread starting Monday how the push ups go. Reminder that 34 push ups and 205 lb bench is my baseline. With to failure sets and burnout sets I'll get to 200 - 1000 push ups and do deep weighted push ups periodically to figure out my bench.

 

[Fahcough]

Depends on training level. 20 minutes for 1000 push ups leaves 40 minutes in the hour, 1 hour 40 if you can train for 2.

50 pushups a minute. That's nonstop grinding with no rest for 20 minutes .
What kind of joint supplements you take?

 

[Martial Sovereign]

50 pushups a minute. That's nonstop grinding with no rest for 20 minutes .
What kind of joint supplements you take?

Lol body gets better at lubing up joints if you train that way. I have krill oil, chondroiten, glucosamine that I have started taking again starting yesterday. In the fridge so why not.

 

[Volador]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31294822/
Well here's one.
Max Voluntary Contraction is to do with motor units and that also reaches max whether it's a 1RM or 1000RM. When everything is exhausted you pull in any fiber you got to get the job done lol.



So yes a set of your 10RM leads to strength gains similar enough to a set of your 100RM


Ones that you might skim over like recovery, health, durability, mental endurance and strength, and general energy levels.

If you read the study, the 2 protocols required doing either an average of 9 reps @80% (80R) or an average of 20 reps @30% (30R).

There's nothing about doing sets of 1,000 or 100 reps, or about transference to a 1RM of either protocol. They didn't test for improvements in 1RM.

The fact that lifting at low and high percentages over a certain threshold and going near failure gives similar hypertrophy outcomes when volume is equated is well established afaik. What that threshold is exactly I think remains to be determined and different studies say different things, I think I've seen >30% repeatedly. Anecdotally we also know that bodybuilders like sets of 15-20+ reps on a lot of stuff, so I don't think any of that is too surprising.

 

[Martial Sovereign]

If you read the study, the 2 protocols required doing either an average of 9 reps @80% (80R) or an average of 20 reps @30% (30R).

There's nothing about doing sets of 1,000 or 100 reps, or about transference to a 1RM of either protocol. They didn't test for improvements in 1RM.

The fact that lifting at low and high percentages over a certain threshold and going near failure gives similar hypertrophy outcomes when volume is equated is well established afaik. What that threshold is exactly I think remains to be determined and different studies say different things, I think I've seen >30% repeatedly. Anecdotally we also know that bodybuilders like sets of 15-20+ reps on a lot of stuff, so I don't think any of that is too surprising.

It was a lazy link I admit so.
I'll do the training and we'll see of course. Studies are hard to find man haha.
As a contradiction to the role of twitch speed: the soleus is mostly slow twitch fibers and the gastroc in the calf is split 50/ 50 on slow and fast twitch but people can calf raise 1500 lbs easily enough.

We will see how much I can improve with endurance training. What level of improvement constitutes paradigm shattering? 205 lbs to 250 lbs? 275 lbs? What if I break the 225 bench record of ~54 reps (eddie hall or brian shaw I think)? Haha.

I will avoid speed push ups so that explosive movement isn't a factor. Controlled and full range of motion. Isolate the max effort vector (variable).

 

[vision1]

but people can calf raise 1500 lbs easily enough

I highly doubt that

 

[Volador]

It was a lazy link I admit so.
I'll do the training and we'll see of course. Studies are hard to find man haha.
As a contradiction to the role of twitch speed: the soleus is mostly slow twitch fibers and the gastroc in the calf is split 50/ 50 on slow and fast twitch but people can calf raise 1500 lbs easily enough.

I don't know if any people here are making an argument about different types of muscle fibers.

We will see how much I can improve with endurance training. What level of improvement constitutes paradigm shattering? 205 lbs to 250 lbs? 275 lbs? What if I break the 225 bench record of ~54 reps (eddie hall or brian shaw I think)? Haha.

I will avoid speed push ups so that explosive movement isn't a factor. Controlled and full range of motion. Isolate the max effort vector (variable).

I'm sure you'll get stronger if your chest, shoulders and triceps get bigger and you do a lot of training with progressive overload and improve your push up max significantly. It's just that your claims that:

a set of your 10RM leads to strength gains similar enough to a set of your 100RM

Are not supported by a lot of info out there, assuming you mean gains in your 1rm for that exercise. Here's one:

https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/...f_Different_Volume_Equated_Resistance.27.aspx

"Significant strength differences were found in favor of ST for the 1RM bench press, and a trend was found for greater increases in the 1RM squat. In conclusion, this study showed that both bodybuilding- and powerlifting-type training promote similar increases in muscular size, but powerlifting-type training is superior for enhancing maximal strength."

If you care about a specific test (1RM in this case) training in a way that is similar to the test in general has better carryover (principle of specificity), as long as you can recover and accumulate the necessary volume. It's not that you won't get stronger at all doing other stuff, the issue was more that you were making exaggerated and probably wrong claims.

 

[Martial Sovereign]

I highly doubt that

Just google it. Pretty common to see heavy heavy calf raises.

I don't know if any people here are making an argument about different types of muscle fibers.



I'm sure you'll get stronger if your chest, shoulders and triceps get bigger and you do a lot of training with progressive overload and improve your push up max significantly. It's just that your claims that:



Are not supported by a lot of info out there, assuming you mean gains in your 1rm for that exercise. Here's one:

https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/...f_Different_Volume_Equated_Resistance.27.aspx

"Significant strength differences were found in favor of ST for the 1RM bench press, and a trend was found for greater increases in the 1RM squat. In conclusion, this study showed that both bodybuilding- and powerlifting-type training promote similar increases in muscular size, but powerlifting-type training is superior for enhancing maximal strength."

If you care about a specific test (1RM in this case) training in a way that is similar to the test in general has better carryover (principle of specificity), as long as you can recover and accumulate the necessary volume. It's not that you won't get stronger at all doing other stuff, the issue was more that you were making exaggerated and probably wrong claims.

Well according to my train of thought the exertion one can produce at the end of the set and in subsequent burnout sets determines strength gains due to lack of said specificity. One can't find a study on that and it's difficult to even verify or communicate effort or willpower so let's consider it an example I need to set.