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That won’t help if you were born with diabetes but great point.


Ahhh good thing I wasn’t. And heredity problems like this “solved” by modern medicine and mankind lead to their own problems.

For instance if they didn’t have access to this their genetic code would be naturally wiped out of the gene pool. But because of modern medicine we’re able to keep them alive and well and procreating which aloe them to pass and greaten these heredity traits. Then we have to constantly consume another resource. If it’s not oil, food and water it’s now insulin
 
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Ahhh good thing I wasn’t. And heredity problems like this “solved” by modern medicine and mankind lead to their own problems.

For instance if they didn’t have access to this their genetic code would be naturally wiped out of the gene pool. But because of modern medicine we’re able to keep them alive and well and procreating which aloe them to pass and greaten these heredity traits. Then we have to constantly consume another resource. If it’s not oil, food and water it’s now insulin

To Be clear, your position is that Type1 Diabetes only continues to exist because of modern medical interventions in the last half century prolonging the life of those born with it?
 
To Be clear, your position is that Type1 Diabetes only continues to exist because of modern medical interventions in the last half century prolonging the life of those born with it?
One might even pause to wonder how it could have been present in the population to be treated with the advent of exogenous insulin not long ago, if it would be naturally wiped out of the gene pool without modern medicine as @86'd suggested. It's almost as if heritability is a much more complex picture..
 
To Be clear, your position is that Type1 Diabetes only continues to exist because of modern medical interventions in the last half century prolonging the life of those born with it?

No it’s not the cause nor why it exists. Look it’s a 3 dimensional world and you can never eradicate one with out the other or another if that makes sense for you

My point is, and on a broader scale is that modern medicine can create other problems.

Take life expectancy for example. The entire economy was built around the age of death. Well now due to modern medicine people are exceeding the original estimation of life expectancy. Our social programs where built upon life expectancy data and by keeping people alive it defunds these programs.

I often hear how millennials are lazy.

Let’s take a look at boomers. I know of many who have retired at 55, have multiple properties, complain about welfare while living to 90 and having open heart surgery while on Medicare and being kept alive so they can sit in a chair all day. And they’ve been retired longer than they were in the workforce

Does that not drive prices of medicine, insurance etc up for others?

Or let’s look at hereditary health issues. If you create a treatment for an issue you create a dependence for that trait to the medicine. Much like a relationship between a dealer and user. Now if that user is kept alive and procreates plentiful the dealer gets richer but the survival of those users is dependent upon the dealer.

Long rambling story short is my position is although modern medicine and breakthrough health procedures can be useful, they can also create other problems.
 
Hell yeahhhh

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They can't claim to be unafraid if they are scared of the vaccine.
 
Great post and should be mandatory reading for everyone in here who has a lot of questions. Sally, I don't think they will read it.

Bottom line is that the vaccines showed in both studies to be ~90% effective in preventing serious illness from the delta variant. That's good news. The facts that it also prevents any symptoms, and by that perhaps infection, in ~40% as a low end and ~80% as a high end isn't bad news either. Still, more research is needed.

What concerns me is the drop in effectiveness after 6 months. Is getting the vaccine going to be a yearly thing? I have a very good immune system and rarely get sick. The vaccine knocked me out for 2 days. Sickest I've been for over a decade. It may not be worth getting again.
 
Whats next? Staying at home if you have the flu?
Uhm yeah. Please do
 
No it’s not the cause nor why it exists. Look it’s a 3 dimensional world and you can never eradicate one with out the other or another if that makes sense for you

My point is, and on a broader scale is that modern medicine can create other problems.

Take life expectancy for example. The entire economy was built around the age of death. Well now due to modern medicine people are exceeding the original estimation of life expectancy. Our social programs where built upon life expectancy data and by keeping people alive it defunds these programs.

I often hear how millennials are lazy.

Let’s take a look at boomers. I know of many who have retired at 55, have multiple properties, complain about welfare while living to 90 and having open heart surgery while on Medicare and being kept alive so they can sit in a chair all day. And they’ve been retired longer than they were in the workforce

Does that not drive prices of medicine, insurance etc up for others?

Or let’s look at hereditary health issues. If you create a treatment for an issue you create a dependence for that trait to the medicine. Much like a relationship between a dealer and user. Now if that user is kept alive and procreates plentiful the dealer gets richer but the survival of those users is dependent upon the dealer.

Long rambling story short is my position is although modern medicine and breakthrough health procedures can be useful, they can also create other problems.

Like dementia/Alzheimer’s because that didn’t exist before penicillin. Because you were lucky to see 45.
 
What concerns me is the drop in effectiveness after 6 months. Is getting the vaccine going to be a yearly thing? I have a very good immune system and rarely get sick. The vaccine knocked me out for 2 days. Sickest I've been for over a decade. It may not be worth getting again.
Is the drop determined yet? Haven't looked into the current studies in long-term immunity. I think there's a real chance that it could be annual like the flu, however I'm guessing the impact either way would lessen considering it wont be a novel virus anymore and people will have developed antibodies.

As far as I understand it, a good immune system may trigger a stronger reaction to the vaccine in some people. It's hard to say how you would react to an annual vaccine if that was the case though. Might be that, considering you would already have similar antibodies, the reaction would be milder. Who knows, but sounds like you had a rough time!
 
Pfizer's preprint data update on the 42,000+ participants in the Phase 3 trial that they have been monitoring:

- Protection against mild infections gradually drops to 84%.
- Protection against severe infections remains high at 97%.
- Overall, the two shots remains 91% effective.
- No new safety concerns are found.

Pfizer's update is in line with what we're seeing in across the world right now: fully vaccinated people can come in contact with the more agressive Delta variant and still be well-protected from illness, while 99% of the patients coming down with severe Covid infections and needed to be hospitalized are not immunized and thus had no protection at all.

Ofcourse, that 91% overall protection after 6 months wouldn't stop Pfizer's boardroom suits from trying to push out a third shot for vaccinated people, which our health agencies deemed to be not neccessary at this point in time since the people currently gasping for air in our ICUs actually had NO shots at all.
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Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine’s protection holds steady at 91% overall after six months
By Nicole Wetsman | July 28, 2021​

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The Pfizer / BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine’s protection against severe cases of the disease holds steady after six months, according to new data released by the companies. But its ability to protect people from developing any symptoms of the disease dropped over time, the analysis showed.​
The data could add to the debate around if and when people may need booster doses of the vaccines, which the Biden administration, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and other experts have been deliberating on for the past few months. The issue became more pressing when cases of COVID-19 in the United States started to surge as the Delta variant spread.

Overall, the vaccine was 91 percent effective against symptomatic COVID-19 over six months.

It was the most protective in the stretch starting seven days after the second dose and running for two months: in that window, it was 96 percent effective. Its efficacy then dropped around 6 percent every two months — to 90 percent between months two and four after vaccination, and to around 84 percent between months four and six after vaccination.


There wasn’t a similar drop in efficacy against severe cases of COVID-19 — defined as cases where blood oxygen levels drop below 93 percent and heart and respiratory rate are elevated. The vaccine’s efficacy against those severe cases stayed high at 97 percent for the entire six-month stretch after people got their shots.

The data was published as a preprint by Pfizer and has not been reviewed by outside scientists. It was released on the day of the company’s earnings call, where it also released internal data showing that a third dose of the vaccine could boost levels of antibodies against the Delta variant of the virus.

The findings came from the study that started last summer to test the safety and efficacy of the vaccine. The first set of findings from that study were the results the Food and Drug Administration used to authorize the shot. The companies continued to follow the more than 42,000 participants in that study to check how the vaccine performed over time.

The analysis also found no new safety concerns in people who had been vaccinated for six months. The company will continue to follow participants for two years after they received the vaccines.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/7/28/22598151/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-drop-booster
 
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@Arkain2K i appreciate your efforts and your links that helped me to get more comfortable with getting stuck, but a lot of your posts come across as though you work for the Pfizer marketing department.

Yes, that must be why I criticized Pfizer for trying to push out a third shot, and agree with the FDA that it's not necessary.
 
...and then in the 7th month it drops to 81% and then antibody-mediated selection kicks in. Fingers crossed this is not true.
 
@Arkain2K i appreciate your efforts and your links that helped me to get more comfortable with getting stuck, but a lot of your posts come across as though you work for the Pfizer marketing department.

The vaccine reduces covid hospitalization and death rates to being less than that of the flu. Covid-19 is a non-issue for the vaccinated. I feel not enough people are talking about this.
 
Honestly, always the unvaccinated. Always. These people are making a decision that they feel is wrong and shouldn't be left up to them, so until it's 100% forced, every single bump in the road we take with this pandemic will be blamed on the unvaccinated.

Right now we know that vaccinated people can get COVID and spread COVID, the vaccine just reduces their symptoms. Unvaccinated can get COVID and spread COVID, but can have amplified symptoms.

Getting vaccinated can save your life, ESPECIALLY if you are older and/or have underlying conditions. If you are younger and healthy, it CAN still kick the shit out of you and/or kill you. But the fact remains, that vaccinated and unvaccinated can get and spread COVID, so you are taking the vaccination for yourself, like a flu shot, to prevent the symptoms from amplifying and overcoming you, NOT to 100% be invincible and unable to get and/or carry the virus.

Getting vaccinated reduces your chances of getting it, which in itself reduces the spread. Not only that, but if you get it, the chances of you spreading it are much lower if you are vaccinated.

These findings, along with the early evidence for reduced viral load in vaccinated people who develop COVID-19, suggest that any associated transmission risk is likely to be substantially reduced in vaccinated people.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html
 
Alabama's Vaccination Rate Is The Lowest In The U.S, And Hospitalizations Are At Highest Level Since February
By Debbie Elliot | July 28, 2021



Just 34% of Alabamians are fully vaccinated – ranking last in the United States. And the state is experiencing a fourth wave of COVID infection that is spiking across the South, a region with low vaccination rates, and rapid spread of the more contagious delta variant of the virus.

In Alabama, hospitalizations are up five-fold since the beginning of July and public health officials are sounding the alarm.

"The slope of this increase, the rate of which the hospitalization numbers are going up, is unprecedented in Alabama," says Dr. Scott Harris, the state health officer.

Alabama's Gulf Coast is experiencing the highest per capita spread of COVID in the state, yet only about one in three people are vaccinated. There have been outbreaks in daycare centers, sports camps and churches, mostly fueled by the delta variant, according to epidemiologist Rendi Murphree, director of disease control at the Mobile County Health Department.

She says it's a frightening situation.

"That combination — low vaccination rates, delta variant, super high numbers of cases occurring on a weekly basis — it's not likely to get better anytime soon," Murphree says. "It's just spreading like wildfire."

She says the vaccine could be the firebreak, but getting people to take it means overcoming misinformation and mistrust.

"We hear different reasons, like 'I don't need the vaccine, I never get sick,'" she says. "Some people, particularly in minority populations, are still very distrustful of the health care system that has not served them well in the past."

Merceria Ludgood, president of the Mobile County Commission, is worried about the worst-case scenario.

"If we aren't able to figure out a way to get more people vaccinated, then we're going to be in the throes of this for years and years," warns Ludgood. "It's terrifying because we can't help but see a spike in deaths."

Ludgood also believes there's a political dimension to the low vaccine uptake.

"It's almost as if 'if I don't get the vaccine, then this helps to make [Democratic President] Biden fail.'"

In conservative Alabama, epidemiologist Murphree says she reminds people where the vaccination push came from.

"Project warp speed was a Republican administration effort," she says. "The vaccine was developed not by the government, but by scientists, with the full support of a Republican administration."

Murphree and other health officials have been recruiting doctors, pharmacists, religious leaders, and sports figures to help get the word out that vaccines are safe, and free. University of Alabama football coach Nick Saban has encouraged Crimson Tide fans to get a shot, and says his team is nearly 90% vaccinated. And a former Auburn coach turned politician is also trying to help.

"I'm Tommy Tuberville, United States senator for the great state of Alabama, but you can call me coach," Sen. Tuberville says in a video posted on Facebook.

"We're on the one-yard line, but we just need one more play to run it in. You can help us get the win against COVID by getting vaccinated."

Messaging aside, state policy curtails the response to this new wave of COVID. A new Alabama law, for instance, prevents governments, businesses, schools and colleges from requiring vaccinations.

And Republican Gov. Kay Ivey rejects calls for mask mandates, even for unvaccinated kids in public schools, a measure recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics, and now the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Ivey says she's done all she can to get the pandemic under control, and is growing frustrated with people who won't get inoculated.

"It's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks not the regular folks. It's the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down," Ivey told news reporters last Thursday. "These folks are choosing a horrible lifestyle of self-inflicted pain."

 
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On the bright side, a lot of people are seeing people they know affected (aka covid is real). It looks like thats driving them to get the vaccine

 
America Is Getting Unvaccinated People All Wrong
They’re not all anti-vaxxers, and treating them as such is making things worse.

"A lot of vaccine information isn’t common knowledge. Not everyone has access to Google. This illustrates preexisting fault lines in our health-care system, where resources—including credible information—don’t get to everyone. The information gap is driving the vaccination gap. And language that blames “the unvaccinated” misses that critical point.

...Availability and access aren’t the same thing. If you have to walk the five miles, you’re going to rethink getting vaccinated, especially if you’re elderly, or you have chronic disease, or the round trip is interfering with other things like work. [Much of] our paid workforce doesn’t have flexibility about hours, or couldn’t take a day off if they wanted to. And if you don’t have paid sick leave to deal with the vaccine or the potential side effects of the second dose, you’ll skip it because feeding your family is more important right now. Child care is also an enormous issue. If you don’t have someone to watch your children, then what do you do?

...we know that these barriers exist for even basic care. How do we make sense of the fact that some people won’t get critical medications, like their diabetes medications? Or that some people forgo necessary medical care even as they experience complications from chronic illness? It’s not that those individuals don’t want basic medical care! It’s that groups face structural barriers to accessing that care, including rural folks, underinsured folks, and Black folks in particular. Those structural barriers are likely at play for vaccinations too. This is a problem for health care more generally. We’ve been willing to move on without people, while leaving them without resources to fend for themselves.

...Anti-vaxxers are incredibly vocal, and because of that, they’ve been a disproportionate focus of our vaccine outreach. But I think that they represent a small part of people in this country, and especially in our communities of color, an irrelevant part. In our work, we haven’t given much credence to their bluster. But the rampant disinformation that’s put out by this minority has shaped our public discourse, and has led to this collective vitriol toward the “unvaccinated” as if they are predominantly a group of anti-vaxxers. The people we’re really trying to move are not."

[the Atlantic]

I highly disagree about lack of vaccine information. The news is talking about it 247. Politicians and celebrities are urging people to get it. Every social media site is advertising vaccines. The information is there, people just don't want to listen.

I'm also skeptical that your average person can't take 30 minutes out of their day to go get vaccinated. I've worked a shit job with long hours. You can make time if it is suffiently important.
 
People aren't listening because they know they're being told a lie. They also know no one is liable in the event of a vaccine injury or death. In other words, they're telling the media and government to get fucked.

Or because they are idiots, I guess, as your comment shows. 849 out of 160 million vaccinated Americans have died of covid. That's significantly less than the flu. The vaccines work and they turn covid into a non-factor.
 
Or because they are idiots, I guess, as your comment shows. 849 out of 160 million vaccinated Americans have died of covid. That's significantly less than the flu. The vaccines work and they turn covid into a non-factor.
They need better outreach and better education.

They need someone to actually knock on their door for actual education


This is why Cuomo and Biden are investing so much money into this effort
 
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