Are you being forced to take the vaccine at work?

[El Panteron]

Wait isnt everyone saying that vaccinated people still get covid and still pass covid to others? If that's true then how can the unvaccinated be blamed for killing people when EVERYONE is transferring it?

There isn't conclusive proof on that because vaccine studies weren't designed to find that.

The use of vaccines HAS decreased covid spread dramatically in heavily vaccinated areas, though, so there is that.

 

[Mike]

Yup. "Right to Work" states come to mind.

Yeah we're right to work and there'll be no hippie protester bullshit here, I can tell you that.

People here work damn hard and a lot of us moved across the country for the chance. I'm not losing MY job to try to prove a point.

 

[chardog]

No, I took it gladly. People who don't want the vaccine are dumb. Polio vaccine was rolled out just as quickly and it's a marvel of science. This anti-vac movement is 100% political espionage

except the polio vaccine works

this does not seem to be the case, you can still get covid after the shot.

we're still forced to wear masks in LA california, even with vax

 

[Phlog]

Ok so you make the claim and I have to back it up. Sounds fair.

Here read this one. https://www.healthline.com/health-n...hove-had-covid-19-dont-need-to-get-vaccinated

Doesnt sound as settled as you thought

That study is pre print, small and is relating to the current strain not how good the antigen response is to the most strains.

 

[scorpipede]

except the polio vaccine works

this does not seem to be the case, you can still get covid after the shot.

we're still forced to wear masks in LA california, even with vax

"Why aren’t all vaccines 100% effective?

Vaccines are designed to generate an immune response that will protect the vaccinated individual during future exposures to the disease. Individual immune systems, however, are different enough that in some cases, a person’s immune system will not generate an adequate response. As a result, he or she will not be effectively protected after immunization.

That said, the effectiveness of most vaccines is high. After receiving the second dose of the MMR vaccine (measles, mumps and rubella) or the standalone measles vaccine, 99.7% of vaccinated individuals are immune to measles. The inactivated polio vaccine offers 99% effectiveness after three doses. The varicella (chickenpox) vaccine is between 85% and 90% effective in preventing all varicella infections, but 100% effective in preventing moderate and severe chicken pox"


SCIENCE

 

[chardog]

"Why aren’t all vaccines 100% effective?

Vaccines are designed to generate an immune response that will protect the vaccinated individual during future exposures to the disease. Individual immune systems, however, are different enough that in some cases, a person’s immune system will not generate an adequate response. As a result, he or she will not be effectively protected after immunization.

That said, the effectiveness of most vaccines is high. After receiving the second dose of the MMR vaccine (measles, mumps and rubella) or the standalone measles vaccine, 99.7% of vaccinated individuals are immune to measles. The inactivated polio vaccine offers 99% effectiveness after three doses. The varicella (chickenpox) vaccine is between 85% and 90% effective in preventing all varicella infections, but 100% effective in preventing moderate and severe chicken pox"


SCIENCE

again, this vaccination is not behaving like those vaccines.

with past vaccinations like H1N1, it was used to prevent the spread and infection, you can be vaccinated and still spread according to this war room thread.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...eople-with-similarly-high-viral-load.4197729/

 

[scorpipede]

again, this vaccination is not behaving like those vaccines.

with past vaccinations like H1N1, it was used to prevent the spread and infection, you can be vaccinated and still spread according to this war room thread.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...eople-with-similarly-high-viral-load.4197729/

So that means you think people shouldn't take the vaccine or...? What action do you take based on this information?

 

[chardog]

So that means you think people shouldn't take the vaccine or...? What action do you take based on this information?

the vaccine is free, hard to dispute not taking it unless you have underlying conditions.

I'm not Karen enough to force my view on others.

 

[scorpipede]

the vaccine is free, hard to dispute not taking it unless you have underlying conditions.

I'm not Karen enough to force my view on others.

So you got it? I haven't. Dragging my feet but able to stay away from just about everyone that isn't masked and distancing almost 100% for some time now. I'm gonna get it.

 

[Patof]

No pressure or force whatsoever, management hasn't even mentioned it. I got it as soon as it was available.

I have an old coworker who smokes and sounds like she's dying of an asthma attack every time she coughs, and she's not even registered to get it yet.

 

[chardog]

So you got it? I haven't. Dragging my feet but able to stay away from just about everyone that isn't masked and distancing almost 100% for some time now. I'm gonna get it.

got it a long time ago, well before most people, I'm technically a "health care" worker, even though a software engineer <Lmaoo>

one of my kids is not going to get it due to severe vax problems of the past........ some folks will need an exclusion and rely on herd protection.

 

[scorpipede]

got it a long time ago, well before most people, I'm technically a "health care" worker, even though a software engineer <Lmaoo>

one of my kids is not going to get it due to severe vax problems of the past........ some folks will need an exclusion and rely on herd protection.

They should be able to. Most people that have these conditions would end up "safe" ( I'm just gonna put that in quotes I guess) as long as most of us that don't have any good, medical reason not to, get it. There's plenty of these people that shouldn't get it.

Around here we can walk in to any pharmacy and there isn't even a line. I just haven't yet. I'm a twat.

 

[IamStryker]

That study is pre print, small and is relating to the current strain not how good the antigen response is to the most strains.

Sure. My post that people have natural immunity that is arguably comparable to the vaccine is still sound. The media completely ignores this. The people pretending you only get protection from the vaccine are being anti science.

 

[spamking]

Is it virus - yep; refused the vaccine - yep;

Peace

Nothing tough there. I'm not saying we should do it or we're even near that point but your slippery slope argument isn't slippery. It wouldn't have to lead to other negligent acts that result in necessary medical treatment getting refused.

Holy crap. Dude. I'm saying this as a fully vaccinated public health professional . . . if you don't see this as a slippery slope then I've got some ocean front property in Oklahoma I can sell you.

There are some folks who have legit reasons for not getting the vaccine RIGHT NOW. There are folks who don't see the vaccine as having more immediate rewards but more risk.

Can we expect you to also start advocating against criminals who need medical care after causing a wreck while driving under the influence? Or someone who texts while drives and hits another car head on? Or a teenage driver who loses control and ends up needing months of physical therapy?

 

[spamking]

I guess, maybe we had oppurtunities to stop it but people being stupid and arrogant, naw, we want this shit, it gives us something to fight over.

 

[mozfonky]

well, i guess i should say, some people have more time and energy on their hands than others. I don't have time to argue with these idiots and they do. they love the arguing.

 

[12ga.]

There isn't conclusive proof on that because vaccine studies weren't designed to find that.

The use of vaccines HAS decreased covid spread dramatically in heavily vaccinated areas, though, so there is that.

So they say. I'm old enough to remember WMDs in Iraq.

 

[FyrFytr998]

Not forcing us, but we are required to show proof if we have.

 

[Fedorisbest]

I work for the state. It's only a matter of time. I'm definitely not going to get it. Will sue them if I get fured5

 

[scorpipede]

Holy crap. Dude. I'm saying this as a fully vaccinated public health professional . . . if you don't see this as a slippery slope then I've got some ocean front property in Oklahoma I can sell you.

There are some folks who have legit reasons for not getting the vaccine RIGHT NOW. There are folks who don't see the vaccine as having more immediate rewards but more risk.

Can we expect you to also start advocating against criminals who need medical care after causing a wreck while driving under the influence? Or someone who texts while drives and hits another car head on? Or a teenage driver who loses control and ends up needing months of physical therapy?

It's as though you didn't read my post even a little and had this response in a queue that you'd unleash regardless.