Law Police unions across the country look to stop mandatory vaccination among officers

[shankmcgank]

Cool, completely irrelevant to the post you’re quoting, but cool. The vaccine itself doesn’t give people covid or cause death or hospitalization from Covid, so the data noted in your link doesn’t touch on my point at all. Definitely further reason to get vaccinated though

It's not "irrelevant" at all. You claimed on page 4:

The public health argument is that providing immunity with 10000x lower risk of death or serious illness is the nest path forward.

Then you were called out about your laughably dishonest claim by another forum member.

10000x the lower risk of death or serious illness is an incredible stretch.

Predictably, and hilariously, you doubled down, and then some.

10000x might not be giving the vaccine appropriate credit.

After seeing such idiocy posted, not once, but twice, I felt the need to link you an article from the Washington Post, one of the most hyperpartisan Democrat rags out there.

The article is literally titled:

"
Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of covid-19, CDC report finds"

Do you have issues with understanding numbers? In what universe is 11 anywhere near 10,000?

So now that I had to break it down, step by step for you, please, tell me how my link and reply are "irrelevant"?

 

[drstrangelov]

Can you share a study done on the current delta variant that shows infection is 15x higher in unvaccinated vs vaccinated? Were you generalizing including past variants? All new work I am familiar with shows between 50-60% reduced infection rate of delta variant in double vaccinated individuals.

As far as I know, that data isn’t available, so this would be related to prior variants. The delta would raise transmissibility in the unvaccinated group as well, so even applying the 60-84% protection over delta, it’s much much safer to be in a crowd of vaccinated versus unvaccinated people.

 

[drstrangelov]

Oh, I didn’t realize you were trolling. Carry on then.

Embarrassed do have been caught unable to read, are you?

 

[shankmcgank]

These are literally unrelated to th covid vaccine, is this where you moved the goalpost to after the fda approval came through? Perfection or nothing?

Not at all.

The companies making the covid "vaccine" are the same companies who have paid out billions of dollars in damages for permanently injuring and killing people.

I'd say I'm surprised that this needs to be explained, but I'm actually not.

 

[brackis1]

Never forget 9/11
Never remember basic science

 

[drstrangelov]

It's not "irrelevant" at all. You claimed on page 4:



Then you were called out about your laughably dishonest claim by another forum member.



Predictably, and hilariously, you doubled down, and then some.



After seeing such idiocy posted, not once, but twice, I felt the need to link you an article from the Washington Post, one of the most hyperpartisan Democrat rags out there.

The article is literally titled:

"
Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of covid-19, CDC report finds"

Do you have issues with understanding numbers? In what universe is 11 anywhere near 10,000?

So now that I had to break it down, step by step for you, please, tell me how my link and reply are "irrelevant"?

The posts of mine that you quoted are about risk from receiving immunity through vaccination versus risk of receiving immunity through infection. Whether after receiving immunity through either means, you are still susceptible to infection (your link doesn’t even compare two relevant data sets in that regard) the source you posted does not compare risk from getting covid versus risk from getting the vaccine. So, while it’s totally cool that you’re providing a separate rationale for why the vaccine mandates represent a public health benefit, you were very explicitly not engaging with my posts. So, it’s irrelevant to the post you quoted.

understand now?

 

[drstrangelov]

Not at all.

The companies making the covid "vaccine" are the same companies who have paid out billions of dollars in damages for permanently injuring and killing people.

I'd say I'm surprised that this needs to be explained, but I'm actually not.

The companies marketing the vaccines have paid out settlements for reactions to drugs that aren’t the vaccine in question, you aren’t comparing manufacturing facilities. You don’t have a clue or a point, nobody’s fooled by this.

 

[MTT]

Let's take that for granted for the sake of argument and pretend that is factual--not saying it is or isn't. What's the difference in rate of serious illness and/or death between them?

On the first point, the Ministry of Health of Israel places the vaccines around 40% at preventing symptomatic infections. Other research indicates slightly higher transmission and symptomatic infection protection. All data I've seen show the pfizer and moderna vaccine above 85% for prevention of serious illness/hospitalization with delta variant. Data also shows stronger protection from future infection and associated severe illness with covid via natural immunity vs current vaccines. Pick your poison.

 

[Eusung]

I suggest everyone to stop asking why ppl with natural immunity should get the jabs. You're just wasting your time. You won't get any replies. And if you do it won't be an honest one.

They don't care. They're in a cult.

 

[Andy Capp]

On the first point, the Ministry of Health of Israel places the vaccines around 40% at preventing symptomatic infections. Other research indicates slightly higher transmission and symptomatic infection protection. All data I've seen shows the pfizer and moderna vaccine above 85% for prevention of serious illness/hospitalization with delta variant. Data also shows stronger protection from future infection and associated severe illness with covid via natural immunity vs current vaccines. Pick your poison.

I don't think that's an answer to my question. Do you?

 

[MTT]

I don't think that's an answer to my question. Do you?

All data I've seen show the pfizer and moderna vaccine above 85% for prevention of serious illness/hospitalization with delta variant.

I think that's a sufficient enough answer. You can extrapolate or pull up research and find exact numbers on your time.

 

[Andy Capp]

I think that's a sufficient enough answer. You can extrapolate or pull up research and find exact numbers on your time.

Funny, your numbers were all precise and shit a minute ago.

 

[TidWell]

Extremely low. Hasn’t stopped our government from putting out state in lockdown for the past 2 months

You guys are pretty much screwed because you do not have the right to bare arms so you just have to take it, no revolution against tyranny possible there.

 

[Bald1]

Russian bots
Chinese shills
And now, a strange FDA dOCTOr

Diversity of fuckery is alive and well in the WR

 

[MTT]

Funny, your numbers were all precise and shit a minute ago.

I answered your question and you're in a tizzy over nothing. Efficacy vs serious disease with two-dose vaccination ranges from high 90% in lower age ranges to mid 80% in older age groups. If you want exact numbers on vaccine efficacy vs serious disease pick a study and read. Age, comorbidity heavily factor in as healthy young people are unlikely to have serious outcomes regardless of vaccination status vs older age groups with risk factors.

 

[12ga.]

Never forget 9/11
Never remember basic science

911 or rather the reaction/lies to it is a factor why people don't trust gov as much anymore and wont get vax. Bush gift that keeps on giving.

Other factors include doing their best to make sure gov does not work for people. (HC and other social welfare which leaves ppl in the lurch)

 

[Queen B]

Police unions heads are the biggest pieces of shits in the world anyway. Dissolve police unions

NYC Police Union has a history of corruption with the last 3 heads facing jail time or court

 

[Andy Capp]

https://publichealthinsider.com/202...cinated-people-compared-to-vaccinated-people/

 

[Graves The Elder]

I hate when Joe whispers.
wtf is up with that?
"Our patience is wearing thin. What more do you want? Get the shot."

covid numbers are inflated anyway. they're acceptable from a mortality rate standpoint nevertheless.
I live in a county of 1.1 million people.
The seven day average for 'cases' is 756 with the hospitalization rate for the same period being at 16
with zero deaths.
ok, 1..2..3..It's the flu!

 

[MTT]

https://publichealthinsider.com/202...cinated-people-compared-to-vaccinated-people/

This is another good resource (but not perfect). The curator allows for a comment section below to talk data which is always interesting.

https://www.covid-datascience.com/p...strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated