Social Ghosting huge problem for companies today.

Good, fuck em - I know some of you guys have seen that meme about about jobs ghosting you. A simple rejection would have sufficed but these motherfuckers couldn't give us that.
True. Think about how many people send out resumes to companies that advertise jobs and never even get a simple rejection email. Speaking for myself, when we advertise a position we might get 50 responses in a day and send an email back to maybe 10 of them. The other 40 will never hear from us - can I really expect open dialogue when this is how I'm treating applicants?
 
Dude, I've been trying to get my siding and windows replaced for 18 months. No bullshit. I'm completely blown away at how much these guys just completely aren't interested in the job. I haven't tried to haggle or anything to chase them off. They just tell me they'll get back to me with a bid and never do. I'm about to have an aneurysm over it.

Not trying to insult you, but is this something you could youtube and do yourself on your own time with a buddy?

Im no plumber but my FIL and i fixed a major issue for 100 bucks together vs hiring a plumber to fix it for over 1k.
 
Sounds like these companies can't handle the free market. Who would have guessed?
 
I think it is a combo of labor supply/demand, plus low incentive to work (millennials, COVID handouts, live with parents, etc). They just do not need those jobs that badly.
 
True. Think about how many people send out resumes to companies that advertise jobs and never even get a simple rejection email. Speaking for myself, when we advertise a position we might get 50 responses in a day and send an email back to maybe 10 of them. The other 40 will never hear from us - can I really expect open dialogue when this is how I'm treating applicants?
They don't understand how much of peoples time is wasted and how much false hope is gradually just withered away. After it's been over a month, you just kind of figure yeah, I didn't get it. Job hunting sucks if you're not a very qualified person.

If I ever get into the position where I'm hiring people, I'm definitely going to try to get some automated email to let people know to not hold their breath.
 
Not trying to insult you, but is this something you could youtube and do yourself on your own time with a buddy?

Im no plumber but my FIL and i fixed a major issue for 100 bucks together vs hiring a plumber to fix it for over 1k.
I could, but it would be a lot of time and effort that I really really don't want to put into it. It's 12 windows and my wife refuses to get vinyl siding (we'll probably end up with fiber cement, but also open to vertical wood) so that makes the siding much more difficult and time consuming than just throwing up some vinyl which I've done a couple times before.

I work out of town and don't get a lot of time at home. I'm strongly opposed to spending a large amount of my limited time at home working. Not to mention, it would probably take me longer than a weekend and I don't want to have a long stretched out, half finished project. I've already got enough of those.
 
I could, but it would be a lot of time and effort that I really really don't want to put into it. It's 12 windows and my wife refuses to get vinyl siding (we'll probably end up with fiber cement, but also open to vertical wood) so that makes the siding much more difficult and time consuming than just throwing up some vinyl which I've done a couple times before.

I work out of town and don't get a lot of time at home. I'm strongly opposed to spending a large amount of my limited time at home working. Not to mention, it would probably take me longer than a weekend and I don't want to have a long stretched out, half finished project. I've already got enough of those.
Spend money buying free time. Fastest way to enjoying your life, imo.
 
I’ve worked both union and non-union construction. When I was young and dumb I was completely taken advantage of by employers. Having me do dangerous work with poor quality equipment, long hours and low pay. They honestly didn’t give a shit about my health or my future.

luckily I started working for a guy that taught me about what to expect from a good employer and what my value is as a hard working motivated employee.

ultimately the prevalence of shit employers led me to go work in the union where pay and protections were contractually obligated.

Unions have their own set of problems but it’s far better for employees


I’m pretty jaded but I tell my kids that if an employer is mistreating you, they should tell the boss to fuck off and walk right out the door
 
You should cheer them on. People are starting to wake up.

They're really not. They just have a temporary cushion to fall back on, so they have no incentive to stay at a low wage job. That's not gonna last forever, and when the benefits inevitably get cut back to where they were, they're not gonna be so bold when looking at their alternative of living under a bridge in a cardboard box.

This isn't some grand awakening. People have hated shitty low paying jobs since forever. The only reason they didn't walk off in the past, was because it was still better than unemployment. That time will come again.
 
Not to sound oldman-ey but it's the gig economy mindset. Employers want to treat employees like contractors and now employees are treating employers like they're driving for Uber. Work when you want, work for 2 companies at the same time, etc. The old world work relationships are so dead it's crazy.

Although on the contractor side of things, I hear that's a supply/demand issue. During the pandemic, contractor demand went through the roof so that contractors are now in the position to ignore work that isn't lucrative enough. I had a buddy have 3 different contractors tell him that he sounded like too much of a hassle because he wanted an itemized breakdown of the projected cost, instead of just the final figure. They literally said to him, each in their own way, that they didn't need his project, they had more than enough work so either he did it their way or he can do it himself.

Having represented contractors over the years, it's an incredible change in the power dynamics.


Been trying to get a new entry door and it’s been a bitch.

Can’t even get guys to come by for an estimate.

I don’t want to go commercial but I might have to. Even then those projects are being scheduled weeks/month out.
 
There's no "labour shortage", the shortage is because the listings for entry level job positions all look something like:

- PhD in the field, or equivalent education
- 10 years experience in a similar position
- 10 years experience using this specific, obscure software that has only existed for 2 years
- Minimum wage

Fuck these muppets. If they were legally allowed to export ALL their job positions to lowly paid slaves in third-world countries, they would.
 
I think it's not just employees though. It's hard to get a contractor to fix your AC they often won't show. Right before I left vegas and was selling my house it took like 10 calls to get someone out. Then of course, knowing my predicament he wanted an exorbitant amount to fix it. Over $1500 for a fan and capacitor and recharge. Thank god for youtube and I figured it out myself about $400 new parts with a recharge tool I had to buy. Actually I did all the remodel myself , paint, new marble, etc because I couldn't get contractors reliably or on time. Worked out ok because it took me 6 months hard labor and house continued to go up but at 52 years old I don't like being on my knees 8 hrs a day. Then quality of workmanship is another whole issue. we're just a lot different nowadays top to bottom.
lol I'm a refrigeration mechanic in Canada . We have the opposite problem. Cheap Guys willing to come who have fuck all clue what they're doing and end up costing you more money in the long run. Then when you call licensed guys like us to fix the fuckup its here's the price take it or leave it. It's true we have more leverage at this point
 
Huh?

Edit: if you're asking if I think choosing not to get a COVID vaccine makes you entitled, I would say no.

Are you assuming these are lazy people or do you know them?

Edit: I can use my current job as an example for you later when I get time to type it up. Sorry for multiple edits. I was asleep when I made initial response.

@ShadowRun my current position has been undergoing a large turnover from retirement age guys to guys in their 30s and 40s for the past 5 years. The company I work for is an electric utility that uses union linemen and switchmen. My job is a management position that was traditionally filled with former union guys in their late 50s who were ready to get out of the field and finish out their last ten years in an office setting. In more recent years there have been steady, subtle changes to the job description that basically resulted in more responsibility, higher expectations, and more use of technology. With this shift came the implementation of an aptitude test to get the job. Most of the old union guys who would want to come in can't past the test. The more competent union guys choose not to come in because it would be a pay cut. Their hourly wage is about the same as hours, but they get a ton of over time.

Queue hiring younger guys from outside the company with more education/qualifications. Instead of doing anything to make the job more appealing to the union guys, the solution to finding people capable of passing the test and doing the job with the increased expectations has been to hire outside the company. We come in and learn that we're making less than the guys we're supervising, learn how the job has become more demanding but the pay hasn't changed, and learn that we're at minimum staffing with no honest effort being made to improve that. The company seems to have this idea that since they're hiring younger, more qualified guys the increased scope of the job should be no big deal. That might be true if their pay was in line with the industry standard and/or they were keeping a fully manned schedule to make the workload more manageable. There's also the fact that there is really no upward mobility in this office because the job used to be a retirement gig.

Now a trend has developed of guys coming into this position for ~3 years, using it to buff up their resume, and moving on. We have three superintendents in the office. Two have been with the company since they were 20 years old and one who came in from a different utility company a few years ago. The two company men are completely baffled by the fact that people want to leave and have this delusional idea that we should all be grateful to be here. They think it's the same job it was 10 years ago. The guy who came from a different company has been pushing hard for changes to try to make the job desirable because he recognizes a lot of the issues. For example, at the company he used to work for the guys in our position had another position working directly beneath them to handle a lot of the routine switching and simple stuff. We do not. We do it all. There's also the fact that the guys at this old company get about the same base pay as us, but also get quarterly retention bonuses. We do not get a retention bonus.

Just in case you're thinking that maybe the company is in a hard spot and can't afford to improve our situation: the company's profits have gone up every year for at least the 3 years I've worked here, we've had multiple wins in state congress hooking us up with bug gubmint money to improve infrastructure and go green, and the board saw fit to give the CEO an 8% raise and a $5 million bonus.
3 years is the average time I stay at a job anyway
 
True. Think about how many people send out resumes to companies that advertise jobs and never even get a simple rejection email. Speaking for myself, when we advertise a position we might get 50 responses in a day and send an email back to maybe 10 of them. The other 40 will never hear from us - can I really expect open dialogue when this is how I'm treating applicants?
I don't think it's feasible to expect a rejection email for every application. When I apply I usually forget which ones I apply to anyway, I apply for hundreds at a time and hear back from a couple
 
I don't think it's feasible to expect a rejection email for every application. When I apply I usually forget which ones I apply to anyway, I apply for hundreds at a time and hear back from a couple
I'm not saying that you should expect a rejection email for every application, only that this is where the relationship is. What used to be part of the normal communication processes are no longer so. Naturally, that's going to include how employees act, not just how employers act.
 
I could, but it would be a lot of time and effort that I really really don't want to put into it. It's 12 windows and my wife refuses to get vinyl siding (we'll probably end up with fiber cement, but also open to vertical wood) so that makes the siding much more difficult and time consuming than just throwing up some vinyl which I've done a couple times before.

I work out of town and don't get a lot of time at home. I'm strongly opposed to spending a large amount of my limited time at home working. Not to mention, it would probably take me longer than a weekend and I don't want to have a long stretched out, half finished project. I've already got enough of those.

For the love of god, don’t do fiber cement siding. That stuff is garbage.
Instillation is a major pain in the ass.
Everyone I’ve ever talked to that has it on their house has regretted it.
 
3 years is the average time I stay at a job anyway
Sure, that's normal. Move every three years for a raise and some new scenery. But it wouldn't have to be that way if it wasn't common practice for employers to leave employee wages stagnant and hire outsiders rather than promoting from within.

I don't really have a problem with moving around every few years if that's what I've got to do to avoid getting super bored with my job and/or wage stagnation. It would be nice to be able to stay with this company, though. They really are pretty great to their employees (probably due to the fact that 70%+ of the employees are union and another 25% are former union. It kind of sets a standard)

Assuming I get the job I recently applied to, I'll have a good chance at promoting to the plant manager/superintendent level after a few years. At that point I will have hit my glass ceiling and will need to acquire a degree to get to the director level.
 
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