*** Sterling vs. Yan Scoring MEGATHREAD ***

[Sausage_Carius]

Waterson backpacked on Joanna for half a round, and didn't do anything with it, got reversed and had the worst beating out of all of the rounds in the standup and Joanna beat the shit out of her in the final seconds and a judge still gave the round to Waterson.

Don't leave it to the judges. You're gonna get fucked.

 

[Xoleth]

I guess Max had a lot of 10-7 lately
And Volk just 10-7 KZ

 

[HotWingsSlayer]

Pretty ridiculous outcome. I think the only time in history of MMA, where much lesser fighter managed to pull off the win twice was when Frankie Edgar lost to Benson Henderson.

 

[JustBleed69]

Still held on and ran the clock

He was looking to submit him and flatten him out for ground and pound.
Yan is extremely good, hard to submit, and was actively trying to get away the entire time which makes it difficult to land anything significant without losing position.

 

[JSF]

First, we were complaining there weren't enough 10-8s, and you would rarely see them. a guy would almost have to be killed before they handed one out.

Now, because your preferred fighter lost, people are complaining.

I wanted Aljo to lose, but got no problem with giving him a 10-8, for this simple logical reason - look at the other rounds, such as round 1. Round 1 is a 10-9, for whomever you scored it for (which is a different debate, the point here, is the score itself). You can't possibly argue that Round 2 was not so much more dominant than Round 1. Of course it was! Not even close. Despite the apparent "lack of damage" - similar trait to Round 1, that is key here - there was clear one-sided dominance for pretty much the entire round. One fighter was on offence the entire time, while the other was defensive the entire time, fending off submission which was a threat the entire time.

You want to give round 2 the same score as round 1? Ridiculous.

Lets not go back to the old days, just because Aljo won. C'mon. We argued for years for them to be more liberal with the 10-8's, so let's not let the filthy casuals regress the scoring.

 

[Phisher]

Aljo having your back is safer though. He accomplished nothing with the position except keeping Yan from hurting him.

Smart by Aljo but he just never capitalized on it.

Uh, in the second round Sterling landed a bunch of strikes whenever he was able to turn Yan on his stomach.

The notion that he was just stalling in that position is ridiculous. He was working the entire time in both rounds that he had Yan's back.

Funny that it's being dismissed now when people were insistent that he couldn't possibly control Yan on the ground in the lead up to last night.

 

[Kenny95]

Effective grappling/striking is seen as equal under the unified rules. A 10-8 round under the new rules is simply "Clear winning the round" while 10-9 is "Winning a competitive round". There was nothing competitive about that. He shut him down and had his way with Yan while fishing for position and submissions. If that isn't a 10-8, nothing is.

10-8 is what gaethje did to Tony. Batter a guy so bad he almost quits and not get hit back.

 

[WhosTheBoss]

Controlling your opponent for 5 minutes with them unable to do a thing while also threatening a finish at any moment is a pretty big deal

But Aljo didn’t do anything …. Soooooooo


This isn’t a wrestling match. He did nothing. He had maybe 1? Attempt at a choke. Should be a 9.5 round. Implement half scoring because tonight the better fighter “lost”

 

[Fahcough]

Controlling your opponent for 5 minutes with them unable to do a thing while also threatening a finish at any moment is a pretty big deal

Controlling your opponent by doing nothing but hugging their back is the same as controlling your opponent making him backpedal away from you for entire round.

 

[Dionysian]

This boils down solely to a philosphical conversation on what "dominant" means. As the rules you posted in the OP stated "MMA is an offensive sport". Position is either
A) dominance, in of itself
B) a means to an end... meaning it is important in that it leads to a much greater ability to dish out what "dominance" actually is... damage or capacity to finish a fight

I fully subscribe to B. If you get the most dominant position in the sport (back control) and then figure four lock to prevent either your opponent OR yourself to change position then that isn't 10-8. That is a clear 10-9.

It is all risk/reward. You can also ditch the figure four and get the hooks in in efforts to smash the sides of their face or to choke... then you're a hell of a lot morel ikely to get a 10-8 but, on the flip side they are more likely to escape to increase the chances you can lose your 10-9 that is otherwise on lock. Aljo elected to do the 10-9 on lock route as the more conservative option. He elected to maintain position (and of course props to Yan's defense as well regarding him protecting against any RNC) at the cost of damage, so 10-9 instead of 10-8.

 

[CasualBot]

Stalled position. Aljo couldn't finish shit.

 

[sdpdude9]

First, we were complaining there weren't enough 10-8s, and you would rarely see them. a guy would almost have to be killed before they handed one out.

Now, because your preferred fighter lost, people are complaining.

I wanted Aljo to lose, but got no problem with giving him a 10-8, for this simple logical reason - look at the other rounds, such as round 1. Round 1 is a 10-9, for whomever you scored it for (which is a different debate, the point here, is the score itself). You can't possibly argue that Round 2 was so much more dominant than Round 1. Of course it was! Not even close. Despite the apparent "lack of damage" - similar trait to Round 1, that is key here - there was clear one-sided dominance for pretty much the entire round. One fighter was on offence the entire time, while the other was defensive the entire time, fending off submission which was a threat the entire time.

Lets not go back to the old days, just because Aljo won. C'mon. We argued for years for them to be more liberal with the 10-8's, so let's not let the filthy casuals regress the scoring.

Agreed, a lot people have forgotten how much everybody hated when 10-8s were almost non-existent.

 

[MartinGibson86]

TIL that "stalking" your opponent is enough to win a round while taking someone's back is nothing. ULTIMATE STALKING CHAMPIONSHIP!

Oh I'm sure there's more than a few 'doggers who would excel in that league lol

 

[FreddieRoachsVoice]

Lol @ thinking having a body triangle from back control and threatening with a RNC is equal to sitting in guard for 5 minutes. Yet I'm sure you'd say "Yan decisively won the 1st round, he was controlling the cage" aka moving forward and whiffing on anger punches while getting lit up by kicks

I guess it doesn't matter if it was a 10-8 or not since Sterling won round 1 and the fight? Honestly, people will try to skew absolutely anything when a fighter they like loses

 

[CasualBot]

Hiding behind Yan without a single choke attempt.
Defensive hiding behind the back is more accurate.

Yan clearly won the hand battle,
Aljo didn't even come close to a choke.

This was the BJJ equivalent to wrestlers stalling.
Aljo had ten minutes to attempt something, and failed.

 

[shunyata]

Lay n pray would be if Sterling just sat in Yans closed guard or half guard, not passing to a dominatnt position like the back.

Learn your casual terminology before attempting to use it.

Going by the original definition (laying and praying for a standup), it would be Yan who was "laying and praying".

He got rescued only by the round ending and was otherwise going nowhere.

 

[1800champagne]

By UFC judging criteria, a 10-8 round should have been considered for sure.

What is UFC judging criteria? The UFC has nothing to do with judging.

 

[Whoa Nelly]

yup
shit's so fcking ridiculous that you just go super leech and sticky on a dude's back and u get a 10-8

 

[Goodfella86]

As of 2017, you need to meet 2 of the following 3 criteria: Duration, Domination, and Damage

Aljo had Duration and Domination.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

Here’s an actual NewsFlash for you..

None of the judges awarded a 10-8.

Yan lost, quit crying, ffs.