UFC Fight Night: Font vs. Vera

I'm personally fine with Collier becoming bigger dog. Modern day AA has barely two rounds of gas tank and people are banking him to win first and second round at odds 1.64. Collier is going to win the third round quite sure. He also throws shitload of volume could honestly win decision here just like Felipe almost did.
 
I'm personally fine with Collier becoming bigger dog. Modern day AA has barely two rounds of gas tank and people are banking him to win first and second round at odds 1.64. Collier is going to win the third round quite sure. He also throws shitload of volume could honestly win decision here just like Felipe almost did.

I'll be on Jake. He has decent cardio for a blown up fat MW, and even when he tires like you said he keeps up his volume. AA has slowed. Still has tricks up his sleeve but slows a lot and lately seems content to feint like 9 times for every punch he throws.

I wouldn't be excited to pay any juice on Jake if he was the favorite but as a dog I'm fine playing him in a fight that I slightly favor him to win.
 
I’m really not sure what you guys are seeing in collier at +120. He’s the type of guy arlovski could knock out. Arlovski has been beating guys that would smash collier. His only losses are kos to heavy hitters

his Dec line is where the value is
 
I’m really not sure what you guys are seeing in collier at +120. He’s the type of guy arlovski could knock out. Arlovski has been beating guys that would smash collier. His only losses are kos to heavy hitters

his Dec line is where the value is
AA hasn't knocked anyone out in his last 20 fights. Why would this fight be different?

Arlovski has been beating guys that would smash Collier? Vanderaa would smash collier? Vanderaa is a massive bum and he won R3 against AA. Sherman just got smashed by Collier and many thought Collier beat Felipe so where is your point? AA is also 43 freaking years old and should fall off a cliff soon if not in this fight.
 
Taira subs Candelario I think. Carlos usually has to engage in the grappling to win and Taira is a phenom there.

Also really like Lainasse as a dog against Green. Green is durable but Lainasse has fought good guys on the regionals and finished them, dude hits fucking hard and is very explosive. Seems tough to take down too.
I'm playing the over and might hit the GTD line. Don't forget Candelario surviving and outlasting Candido, he's a very game opponent, don't see him getting finished.
 
I’m really not sure what you guys are seeing in collier at +120. He’s the type of guy arlovski could knock out. Arlovski has been beating guys that would smash collier. His only losses are kos to heavy hitters

his Dec line is where the value is

He's absolutely slowing. His showing in that very close split dec win over the terrible Vanderaa was far from inspiring his last time out. He just doesn't want to let his hands go. He actually dropped round 3 vs Chase freaking Sherman (who Collier just smashed) just a couple fights ago, getting outstruck and sucking wind.

Arlovski can't KO Vanderaa or Sherman and has literally gone 20 fights and 7 years since his last stoppage win but Collier is the guy he's gonna find his finishing power against? Anything is possible but I don't see it. AA has gotten the benefit of the doubt in some razor close decisions over the past few years, and I definitely don't see how the guys he's getting those decisions against "smash" Collier. Vanderaa? Lins? Felipe? Boser? Old Ben Rothwell? Mr Glass Stephan Struve? Junior Albini? Those are AA's wins over the past 5 years. They "smash" Collier? Man, I don't think so.

Collier is obviously a fat guy now, but he's still one that has good hands and pace. AA struggled with Chase Sherman, Collier looked on a different level with his timing and dispatched him quickly. I realize it's one common opponent so it's not everything, but both fights were recent and there's glaring differences in the performances.
 
He's absolutely slowing. His showing in that very close split dec win over the terrible Vanderaa was far from inspiring his last time out. He just doesn't want to let his hands go. He actually dropped round 3 vs Chase freaking Sherman (who Collier just smashed) just a couple fights ago, getting outstruck and sucking wind.

Arlovski can't KO Vanderaa or Sherman and has literally gone 20 fights and 7 years since his last stoppage win but Collier is the guy he's gonna find his finishing power against? Anything is possible but I don't see it. AA has gotten the benefit of the doubt in some razor close decisions over the past few years, and I definitely don't see how the guys he's getting those decisions against "smash" Collier. Vanderaa? Lins? Felipe? Boser? Old Ben Rothwell? Mr Glass Stephan Struve? Junior Albini? Those are AA's wins over the past 5 years. They "smash" Collier? Man, I don't think so.

Collier is obviously a fat guy now, but he's still one that has good hands and pace. AA struggled with Chase Sherman, Collier looked on a different level with his timing and dispatched him quickly. I realize it's one common opponent so it's not everything, but both fights were recent and there's glaring differences in the performances.
Collier decision is +300.
 
AA hasn't knocked anyone out in his last 20 fights. Why would this fight be different?

Arlovski has been beating guys that would smash Collier? Vanderaa would smash collier? Vanderaa is a massive bum and he won R3 against AA. Sherman just got smashed by Collier and many thought Collier beat Felipe so where is your point? AA is also 43 freaking years old and should fall off a cliff soon if not in this fight.
yeah but Collier is obese.
He's absolutely slowing. His showing in that very close split dec win over the terrible Vanderaa was far from inspiring his last time out. He just doesn't want to let his hands go. He actually dropped round 3 vs Chase freaking Sherman (who Collier just smashed) just a couple fights ago, getting outstruck and sucking wind.

Arlovski can't KO Vanderaa or Sherman and has literally gone 20 fights and 7 years since his last stoppage win but Collier is the guy he's gonna find his finishing power against? Anything is possible but I don't see it. AA has gotten the benefit of the doubt in some razor close decisions over the past few years, and I definitely don't see how the guys he's getting those decisions against "smash" Collier. Vanderaa? Lins? Felipe? Boser? Old Ben Rothwell? Mr Glass Stephan Struve? Junior Albini? Those are AA's wins over the past 5 years. They "smash" Collier? Man, I don't think so.

Collier is obviously a fat guy now, but he's still one that has good hands and pace. AA struggled with Chase Sherman, Collier looked on a different level with his timing and dispatched him quickly. I realize it's one common opponent so it's not everything, but both fights were recent and there's glaring differences in the performances.
yeah but never forget that arlovski competed against higher level fighters through out his entire career. he fought at a level that Jake has never seen. Make no mistake for Jake to win he needs a chitty judges score card. Arlovski has always fallen to heavy punches. but i still think he is a competent boxer. Tom Aspinall demolished jake with much ease with his hands in round 1 and jake could only land 4 strikes that barely touched. Andrei at least made Tom struggle in their fight , landed 28 head strikes. he showed that he still makes his fights competitive. so much so that Tom needed to resort to a submission. I urge you to rewatch both of their fights against Tom and ask who put up much more of a fight against a future potential champion? I think Arlovski only draw back is his very tentative style that may not win judges over. No way Jake lands anything threatening. at very least he manages to score 10 significant strikes less by the end of round 3. which puts him in reach for a robbery. but that is wide if.
 
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I am surprised how many predictors are predicting for Gabe Green despite he had a health issue recently...
Some of them are going with him..

Some of them arent even mentioning the surgery that Gabe Green had. We shall see if we will still have this fight for this week.
 
yeah but Collier is obese.

yeah but never forget that arlovski competed against higher level fighters through out his entire career. he fought at a level that Jake has never seen. Make no mistake for Jake to win he needs a chitty judges score card. Arlovski has always fallen to heavy punches. but i still think he is a competent boxer. Tom Aspinall demolished jake with much ease with his hands in round 1 and jake could only land 4 strikes that barely touched. Andrei at least made Tom struggle in their fight , landed 28 head strikes. he showed that he still makes his fights competitive. so much so that Tom needed to resort to a submission. I urge you to rewatch both of their fights against Tom and ask who put up much more of a fight against a future potential champion? I think Arlovski only draw back is his very tentative style that may not win judges over. No way Jake lands anything threatening. at very least he manages to score 10 significant strikes less by the end of round 3. which puts him in reach for a robbery. but that is wide if.

Sure, we can compare each guy's fight with Aspinall where both were finished. We can also compare (as I pointed out) each guy's fight with Chase Sherman. The Sherman fights were more recent too, so probably more relevant.

Like I said, I wouldn't play Collier as a favorite but at dog odds I'm fine taking a stab.
 
Sure, we can compare each guy's fight with Aspinall where both were finished. We can also compare (as I pointed out) each guy's fight with Chase Sherman. The Sherman fights were more recent too, so probably more relevant.

Like I said, I wouldn't play Collier as a favorite but at dog odds I'm fine taking a stab.
but this can be deceptive for two reasons to use the sherman fight as a measurement.

1.Sherman sucks.

2. Andrei doesn’t use submissions anymore. He just strikes and keeps it on the feet. Jake had that submission offense, andrei didn’t. but andrei has solid sub defense that Sherman doesn’t have . So the winning skillset for this fight is going to be on the feet. We have to use a fight that references their striking skill set. while you can say jake landed more against Felipe. a mass majority where leg kicks. i think jake can land those but those dont have the same scoring as head strikes. i think arlovski lands much cleaner shots and will win at the end. this is proven in the jared/andrei fight and the Felipe/ Jake fight. Leg kicks only usually get wins in 1:3 judges. Jake will need at least two judges that award leg kicks more than clean head strikes. and historically that rarely happens.
 
that was collier's first fight in 3 years vs aspinall in a new weight class that he wasn't used to, that should be noted too.
Exactly you’re putting faith in a ballooned mw vs a lifetime hw. Arlovski has gotten use to handling bigger men.
 
@Stat_Collector

I am surprised how many predictors are predicting for Gabe Green despite he had a health issue recently...
Some of them are going with him..

Some of them arent even mentioning the surgery that Gabe Green had. We shall see if we will still have this fight for this week.
i always liked green because of his dog fight with D-Rod. But the guy has questionable fight iq. i remember screaming at my tv when he kept trying to head kick Rowe and throw flying knees while Rowe took him down easy. he could have coasted smashing his legs but decided to chase a ko. i feel like he might try and do something stupid like waste his energy chasing a submission and gas himself to getting finished. im passing on that one. i wanna see where Gabe goes in his career, not buying his stock this early.
 
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Even at his advanced age/combat wear-and-tear, Arlovski should be able to handle Jake Collier. Leave his blood or your gloves in the middle of the Octagon after the fight, Andrei.

Why should he retire? He's not getting constantly knocked out anymore I know they fought before but look at tuivasa currently ranked #3 and if they were to fight again id might bet arlovski. He's getting a fuck ton of money to fight bums nothing wrong with that if he ain't getting knocked.lut every single fight
 
Font is the crisper and more accurate striker. I think he's more likely to get top position too and win rounds that way. At least early on. I agree on durability and cardio though.

I'm gonna be in Vegas for this card so will have way more action than normal. I think I may play Font decision and Chito's Rd 4 and 5 props.

Also, I'm not gonna have the time to break down all these fights like I should given how much action I'll have on them. I'm gonna need in depth breakdowns on every fight from you and the rest of the forum regs by like next Tues LOL.

@BigSteve @Captain Chesapeake @PuertoRican @DonQ94 @Stat_Collector @Bakayoko @svmr_db @Oblivian

Others too that I can't think of off the top of my head. Please give me some good insight! I only have leans on Font/Vera and Collier/AA so far!

Don't forget ask for your drink ticket after you place a bet 100$ min on sports but only 10$ on horses so even if u don't know shit about horses instead of going to buy a 8$ drink find a horse you like idk number 5. And place a 10$ bet on it to win and u get a free drink ticket and if u win there's money idc if u a multi billionaire fuck Vegas get ur free drinks and the machines don't give out change so if u play slots u better not just leave ur ticket there go up to the window and get ur 8 cents or whatever the hell it might be
 
lets get into it, pay attention @mkess101 :

Taira/Candelario: Hard to get a read on Taira, I can only find 4 fights and he has faced zero adversity. I won't pretend like I know all the opponents on his record but Candelario should be by far his toughest test. He is also making his debut and fighting in the USA for the first time. Candelario has had a weakness to being taken down and put in bad positions but he has never been subbed and is a brown belt. The opponents taking him down are all BJJ black belts and have come in with a graple-heavy gameplan. Taira could sub him if he is a better jits fighter than those opponents but again who knows. Candelario is battle-tested, has great boxing and wrestling, and is the same size if not bigger. I don't like how he slows down, but in the one DEC win I have watched Taira didn't push a pace at all on the feet and got a few of his takedowns stuffed against a tiny Asian guy. Big dog or pass for me but probably should be a pass with the unknowns.

Yohan/Green: Personally think the money coming in on Green is crazy. I assume its lazy capping and people thinking Yohan is a gasser, Green isn't and that's enough to beat him. Yohan has two decision wins where he has clearly won round 3 in both with wrestling. Yes, he is huffing and puffing and it's bad optics but he pushes through. He has an explosive double and lands high amplitude takedowns then jumps straight onto the back or mount. Green has negative takedown defense. He is borderline pulling guard, even on the regionals bums are stuffing his takedowns and getting on top into mount and dominant positions. He is comfortable on his back but he isn't too dangerous and he gives up a lot of minutes. Burlinson from contender is a lot more active and dangerous with his jits and Yohan did great passing to side control when he threatened the guilly which shows me he is positionally aware. Gabe spent all of round 3 on his back against Rowe who was very compromised by the end of that fight. Honestly, if Rowe didn't fall over 5 times from a leg kick Green doesn't win that fight 29-28. His wrestling offense is also not good, he mostly just cage pushes. Green is a pressure brawler, has good cardio and good volume, but brawling with Yohan who hits like an absolute truck is not the right move. If Yohan wants to break up the pressure I don't see him struggling for takedowns. In the worst case, I would line this at pick-em, with Yohan winning early, and Gabe taking over late but my personal lean is that Yohan should be the slight fav. All the finishing upside and wrestling advantage.

De Silva/ Figgy: I wanted to hit De Silva at pickem here due to Figgy being so bad and Sila having all the athletism and finishing upside. He is giving me flakey vibes though if he doesn't finish I don't know if he will fall apart every single time. His other loss is a leg injury, thats big glass cannon vibes. Easy pass for me although the U1.5 is 3.00 which is interesting for a guy that never went over win or lose.

Elkins/Connelly: Good matchup for Elkins, Connelly is almost the exact replica of his style but worse. He is unathletic and usually can't get his grappling going until his opponents get tired. Is he going to out grapple Elkins, I don't see it. Someone like Minner is a way tougher opponent until he starts to fall apart. Connelly has no power and is only 1 year younger. Personally, I think Cub does the exact same thing to Connelly if they ever fight. There is something stopping me from playing Elkins, I know he is washed to bits but I also don't think Connelly can take advantage. Passing for now I guess.

Vera/Font: Good fight to end the night. Both are tough fighters with good cardio and output. I have no doubt Vera is going to be giving up the first round, he picks up the pressure as he goes but in the first, he gives space and usually loses. If he gives Font space no doubt Font will land his jabs and kicks to steal it. He might even get the second, I can see this going down to the third round, with Vera taking over in the 4th and 5th. I can maybe see Vera finishing Font, but I think 10-8s could be more likely since he is more an attrition finisher rather than a 1 punch guy. As much as Font gives me chinny vibes, he is tough and has a great gas tank. Vera doesn't really have a coherent game plan when he fights, he looks to force mistakes by coming forward, doesn't box much, and does most of his work in the clinch with knees and elbows. His wrestling isn't the best but he drags fighters down from the clinch. He won round 2 over Aldo with cage pushing and clinch strikes alone. I think Fonts wrestling is underrated, he takes a lot of fighters down including Simon, but his TDD is a bit average. He also doesn't check kicks and is heavy on his lead, being predominantly a boxer. I think Font can get takedowns like Frankie but I don't think he can control Vera as easily. I think this fight has so many angles to break down, especially in the 5 round aspect. I think Font starts off great, and Vera closes the gap the longer it goes. To beat Vera you have to outpoint him to a dec without slowing down or falling apart because he is probably the most durable guy in the UFC and he won't stop coming forward. Pick-em is probably my line here, so I would side with the slight dog. Live bet you might get better odds on Vera, and Font DEC is the only way I would play him.
 
Even at his advanced age/combat wear-and-tear, Arlovski should be able to handle Jake Collier. Leave his blood or your gloves in the middle of the Octagon after the fight, Andrei.
Arlovski was a cunt hair away from losing to Jared Vanderaa

Jake Collier is honestly a much better fighter than Jared Vanderaa

I have a feeling this will be another Arlovski fight that goes to a close/split decision
 
Man it's crazy reading you guys are so pro-Arlovski

Collier fights like a MW at HW, because really he is just an overweight MW lol. He will likely out-volume Arlovski.
 
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