Media Dana White: "We're working it out" regarding Wonderboy pay issue

[SeattleFightFan]

Yeah, this situation happened so many times before that I doubt no manager ever tried to negotiate it. Probably the UFC is just "fuck you" and they get what they can take.

DJ did (try to negotiate it). He agreed to fight a 135 fighter at 125, but only if he got paid show and win money if the fighter didn't make weight. It was a non-starter for Dana, and the contact was never made.

 

[Poatan Power]

Nope...ud literally would pay the construction team for that day...

I work in renovations and construction and this type of shit happens all the time ...

Boots on the ground...equals cheques being written ...

The truck fucks off...tough luck my guys showed up to work and spent the day .. pay me...

Um, no. You'd pay the construction team for the day if they were actually there for the day. If no work was able to be done, you'd pay for their time and send them on their way to the next job. I did construction for 7 years too and in no world do you show up for a job, no work get done and go home early "and get paid anyway." You don't pay for a job that wasn't fucking done, Jesus fucking christ.

It would be up to the homeowner ( UFC) to then go to the truck driver company ( Michel) and get damages pay back for fucking everything up ...

You dont fuck your construction contractor out of pay lol....thats the quickest way to get your project delayed or stopped all together .. especially when another company is responsible for the delay. .

You don't pay people for work they didn't do. You're fucking delusional. "Hey here's the money for that deck you didn't build because the materials weren't delivered. I know I already paid you for the entire job but can you come back in 2 days and actually build it now that the materials were delivered?"

"Fuck no m8, cheques already cashed. You have to pay me a 2nd time for the deck now."

Gtfo here with your bullshit lol

 

[chinarice]

what has he done wrong?

Not sure if serious... lol

 

[fzoid4454]

Yeah, it's not the way it works, because that's not what happened. Wonderboy didn't show up, decide not to fight, and then wanted to get paid.

He showed up, as agreed to in his contract, and did not have an opponent that met the specifications he agreed to under his contract. Dana is such a tool.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

I find it amazing that some people don’t seem to realize that what Dana does with HIS money is none of your business. He’s got $500M+. If he wants snow, or to gamble $10M in one night what does that have to do with the UFC, and the way they pay fighters? I’m sorry but that’s ridiculous and utterly unintelligent. The fact you don’t realize it proves you’re unintelligent.

One has NOTHING to do with the other. And Dana doesn’t even do contracts and shit anymore. That’s Hunter Campbell. Who also has his bosses to answer to. The creepy obsessive hatred many of you have for Dana is astounding. Every little thing wrong is Dana’s fault. He wasn’t even there in SLC.

Dana is a dishonest asshole. So are some of the fighters. But at least find out who is actually responsible before instantly saying, Fuck Dana. Blame Ari.. He’s the actual BOSS. The buck always stops with the BOSS.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Um, no. You'd pay the construction team for the day if they were actually there for the day. If no work was able to be done, you'd pay for their time and send them on their way to the next job. I did construction for 7 years too and in no world do you show up for a job, no work get done and go home early "and get paid anyway." You don't pay for a job that wasn't fucking done, Jesus fucking christ.



You don't pay people for work they didn't do. You're fucking delusional. "Hey here's the money for that deck you didn't build because the materials weren't delivered. I know I already paid you for the entire job but can you come back in 2 days and actually build it now that the materials were delivered?"

"Fuck no m8, cheques already cashed. You have to pay me a 2nd time for the deck now."

Gtfo here with your bullshit lol

Thompson did work....he held up his end of his contract up untill the fight part...or in the construction scenario we did our part till the concrete truck not doing his part...

This happens all the time on construction sites its how projects go over budget ...because multiple contractor's cant get there shit together...or be professional enough to do what they said they would on the day they would ...

If i had to pour a slab and the concrete guy didnt show up but my guys were on site ready and did form work and prep work for the pour ...you beat ur ass im charging my client for the day ... And telling them that the other contractor for the concrete is to blame ... And he can recoup from him .. im not paying my crew out of pocket becusse some dumbass concrete guy cant show up on time and honor his contract lol .. .

 

[AMAZINGUFC]

White continued. “If you don’t turn around quickly, then we try to figure out what did it cost for your camp? We’ll reimburse you.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I'd pay my contractor for the job. Regardless of how much or little work the workers do. That's between them and their boss, the contractor I had my agreement with. But, generally, if the workers show up at the worksite, as their boss told them, and wind up sitting around because the boss f--ked up and didn't get the truck there on time, they would get paid.

Exactly...boots on ground..cheques in hand... theres no free days in construction...

Thats why project management is so important... Aka UFC should be managing the weight cutting issue closer but cuz they dont actually have to pay out .. they don't... Which is frankly criminal..

It should be Thompson gets anywhere between 75% to 100% of his play for honoring his contract of making weight ... And the UFC pays it ( as the project/event/promotion manager) who Thompson has a contract with...and then the UFC can turn around and sue or go after Michel for damages to the event and loss revenue blah blah blah ... Because he didn't honor his contract...its like you book a band to come play a show and they cancel well , the event will reimburse those that paid for tickets but then they will sue the band for cancelling to recoup...same shit ...

If they did this it would end weight misses in a heart beat cuz i doubt Michel has $250,000 plus to pay the UFC back for missing by 4 pounds

 

[RonDante]

The guy who asked him about this at the press conference he was at or whatever it was such a pussy about it, stuttering and tripping over his words. It’s the same with that British guy asking why colby is getting a title shot and when Dana says “why wouldn’t he”?” The guy is like “well, um, I mean, some people think, like, um”. It’s a conspiracy! Of silence…

 

[Axe720]

Why should he take a fight with another guy on two weeks' notice that he hasn't trained for? Completely changes up his gameplan and preparation with next to no time to adjust. Should definitely be compensated for his camp and travels, if Dana says that is customary. Should also at least get some type of payment for being a standout guy who always makes weight and has been a true warrior for the UFC.

 

[j18lee]

"No you don’t just show up and say, ‘Yeah I’m not gonna fight, I want a quarter of a million dollars.’ It doesn’t work that way for anybody."

Maybe not for fighters, but Dana White shows up and says, I'm not gonna watch and promote the boring ass Sandhagen fight, I want my quarter of a billion dollars. It does work that way for somebody.

 

[Stump]

I get it from both sides.

I think the UFC is a greedy bunch of crooks, and I think Wonderboy is the consumate professional who had every reason not to take this fight and in his situation, it would be most fair to pay him. However, I also totally understand the need for the precedent that Dana is speaking about, the whole "guys don't get paid not to fight."

The UFC can't have a policy to pay fighters every time they don't fight because their opponent misses weight, or gets injured of arrested or whatever. It introduces a shitty, weird incentive.

The percentage of your opponents purse thing is close, but doesnt quite work either. When there are serious ranking implications, it might be totally worth it for a fighter to surrender a portion of his purse in order to weigh in heavy. Missing weight by 4 or 5 pounds could be a massive advantage. If you think about it, a fighter could make more money with a win, even with the purse deducton, than he would with a loss (show money + win money - purse deduction vs. only show money), plus he stands to make much more over the long term with an improved ranking.

 

[bjjwar]

Tbf Wonderboy got offered to fight and refused. He has every right to do so, but then don't expect to make money...

Imagine your boss tells you to do one thing and then later tells you to do something else and you say "fu** that i ain't doing sh**. Well, pretty sure no one in here would expect to make any money in those conditions.

If he accepted the fight he would earn his money, but he refused and prefered to go party and be lazy, so ...

 

[jx820]

I'm of two minds about this.

On one hand, they have a contract that details all the terms by which he gets paid. He has no right to that money, and the contract offers him a pre-defined relief to take or leave at his discretion. Which he chose not to accept. More importantly the UFC isn't the party that has wronged him. They are equally a victim here. They've incurred expenses promoting a fight that won't happen now. It's not clear by what logic anyone could point to them as the party on the hook to pay anyone here.

On the other hand. Wondboy has always been a reliable company man. They have paid people in the past for similar situations. It seems pretty clear from Dana's comments that if Wonderboy wasn't making so much it would be less of an issue. And the UFC can afford to pay him. I also kinda feel like if he was a 25 year old up and coming star they'd have taken care of him.

I think at this point the best outcome that is likely to actually happen is a quick turn around so he's not doing a full camp again, and can get paid quickly.

 

[nostradumbass]

BS. He showed up ready - it’s not his fault his opponent did not.

God, I hate this garbage organization sometimes. Their greed and lack of respect for fighters is despicable.

It also sets a messed up precedent if you force guys into taking fights if they want to get paid. Might as well show up at 205 to fight at WW.

Yeah, what a messed up precedent that professional fighters are expected to actually fight in order to get paid for fighting.

 

[HaulParris]

Ultimate Fooking Circus

 

[markg171]

BS. He showed up ready - it’s not his fault his opponent did not.

God, I hate this garbage organization sometimes. Their greed and lack of respect for fighters is despicable.

It also sets a messed up precedent if you force guys into taking fights if they want to get paid. Might as well show up at 205 to fight at WW.

It's quite literally always been like this for combat sports, and is in fact detailed in the legislation that the fighters get paid for the bouts themselves. The UFC are actually throwing fighters a bone by offering them new fights and training expense reimbursements.

You guys are just throwing a hissy fit at whatever you can like you always do.

 

[Ornife]

That doesn't change that DW is a POS

Factual truth, bro.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

The way some of you guys want money just handed out, it would be tempting to get in with the opponent and agree the lessor paid guy misses weight intentionally, then gets a cut of the higher paid fighters purse when he makes weight and declines to fight. Just fight short notice afterwards and enjoy the free check lol

 

[Ornife]

Said the badass nerds..

People who don't train or even moderately exercise are the true badasses, mother fucker!