Media *** Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou Post Fight Discussion MEGATHREAD ***

[Stagliano]

Just wanna make sure Sherdog supports Francis decision<45>

Lol sherdoggers are hypocrite. Before the PFL contract and the fight against Fury everybody were saying how Francis is dumb, and that should go back to Africa in the sandmines.

 

[BigOlJeet]

I voted no. As a fan I still wanted Jones/Ngannou + winner fights the new HW division: Aspinall/Pavlovich/Almeida/etc... but it's a good money decision for Ngannou. Might get a fun fight with Wilder.

Ngannou would’ve stiffened juiced to the gills Jones anyways, said it before and I’ll say it again; Jon got lucky.

 

[Tweak896]

Ngannou would’ve stiffened juiced to the gills Jones anyways, said it before and I’ll say it again; Jon got lucky.

I'm just saying as a fan I want to see it. The Ngannou/Fury fight was eye opening, but if we removed the context it was a boring match besides Ngannou's knockdown. It would've been more exciting with a few more UFC fights. Although Wilder/Ngannou might be insane. Either way Ngannou is making more money.

 

[RemyR]

 

[Deaths Head]

Long time sporadic poster here, big fan of the sweet science over MMA. I had Fury in my top 10 HW's of all time.

Fury has been compared to Ali, has good head movement, ring IQ , speed, a decent chin, punch selection and a jab.

Enter a guy who laces them up for the first time and arguably won the fight and embarrasses boxing.I've read the other threads but I still struggle in attributing the failure to:

An off night
Lack of prep, etc
Ngannou is a beast

Fury should have put a clinic on him. What happened to the sweet science?

Fury is and was always overatted he’s a size bully and very sloppy at times open to counters up top particularly on his left side he’s a lazy fighter dropping hands bc he’s used to guys not reaching him .

With Ngannou he faced a guy with very good reflexes over anything Ngannou does best is counter punching , Wilder isn’t a counter puncher so Fury had it easier in ways and was able to do just about anything with him ,Ngannou also sets things up with jabs making it hard for Fury , Ngannou used basic boxing and came to win with good patience waiting fir that counter hooks up top and controlling Furys lead hand enough switches stances when he felt necessary, Mike Tyson taught him great balance and to hit on both sides shifting weight properly .


Mike Tyson ultimately is the reason he the reason for his performance and no other trainer may have really pushed him to actually train to win and or had that influence on Ngannou ? Ngannou didn’t even attack his body like he should have he gave Fury an easier fight then he could have had .

Ngannou won rnds 3,4 and 8 . Counting the knock down Fury won by 2 rounds in a 10 round fight , Ngannou had the best rnds which were 3 and 8 but that doesn’t win you the overall fight .

 

[mudrubble]

okay... not like the Saudis dont see money $$ signs even more then Dana naa they not greedy either

This is not a moral contest or an ethics race. It's business. If Francis hated working with the UFC and loves working with the Saudis, that's called good business. If it makes him 10x the $, that's called smart business.

If Francis was to try to measure dicks between the Saudis and the UFC, or to weigh them both on morality scales, he'd be a sherdogger and not a fighter making great business moves for himself.

Noone is suggesting the Saudis don't like money. But they HAVE money and aren't as desperate for it, as this event showed. It was an event that was largely rumoured to be an event that would lose money. Did they go cheap then? Nope. They went big as an investment and if this loses money, they will be patient enough to make it up later.

Clearly, their business practices are better for Francis. As for their souls, I leave all of those to God to figure out. Francis is here to do business and the UFC route was too small minded, controlling, petty, and punitive for him. So, the Saudis are at least not being as greedy with Francis as UFC was. On earth, that's good enough to inform a decision, no?

 

[mudrubble]

Let’s just see how vindictive Dana is.

Ngannou is the first guy to buck the system. I wouldn’t put it past Dana to do everything in his power to limit how well Ngannou does.

Stuff like “If you let Ngannou fight here I’m never bringing the UFC here again..”, making sure people don’t work with him, close every possible door he can.

Ngannou will still do better than he would with the UFC, but Dana has pull in the business, it sucks for Ngannou to have him as an enemy.

He's gonna threaten the Saudis? Wouldn't that be idiotic?

When the whole sporting world is saying that Saudi is the future of sport, you think Dana should boycott that bright future? And watch the sporting world evolve without him?

That would be moronic. In the long run it might even prove suicidal. It would certainly be flagrantly irresponsible and short-sighted.

Remember, Vince McMahon, his boss, said Saudi is the WWE's new home. Just think this through.

We're used to seeing Dana play big fish in a small pond. Now he's climbing in with all sports and all leagues. The Saudis are funding PFL as well as inviting UFC. Read the writing on the wall. Dana will not remain in a position of godhood under these conditions. Everyone is trying to figure out how to play nice with the Saudis in sports right now. The UFC would be childish to try to become the problem child of the sports world in Saudi.

 

[PBAC]

I had it for Fury by a couple of rounds. Honestly really only thought it was close because of the KD. Ngannou did do better than expected but I don't think he won.

the thing is Ngannou really didn't look or do anything impressive, Fury just looked like shit. Fury hasn't gassed like that in a fight before

 

[Miokink026]

Surely nobody can seriously vote “no” on this now, right?

you'll be surprised at how many UFC fans there are. Not MMA fans, UFC fans.

 

[mudrubble]

Jones and Dana on suicide watch

Jones eventually bent the knee to Dana and is now seeing Francis do what a REAL revolutionary does - carve his own path. He's got to realize that not only can that man likely beat him in a fight, he can also do that in a boxing match, and is also doing that in business and creating opportunities for himself. If Jon had a team with the vision of Francis' team, he might have been that guy.

I think guys like him are feeling mighty inferior to Francis right now on a daily basis.

Every day begins with a look in the mirror, followed by a punch, a broken mirror, an "I hate you", bandages, an inspection of UFC belts in their display case, a scream, a punch, broken glass, an "I hate it all", bandages, an inspection of social media, a curse word, a pitch against the wall, a broken phone, an "I hate my life!", etc., etc.,

 

[mudrubble]

Lets rename this forum to FrancisDog because all I see are Ngannou threads.

With the right Saudi money, this can happen, brother. Great idea!

EDIT: Jokes aside, maybe chill on MMA news for a few days. Right now MMA news is 95% about Francis. He broke the interwebz and all that.

 

[Ozze]

Surely nobody can seriously vote “no” on this now, right?

There's always the bitter ones.
Some dude said on another thread something on the lines of "yeah, but his 10 million will be only like 6 or 7 after taxes!", lol.

 

[mma fighter]

I will admit... I thought him leaving was a big mistake. I was wrong. Happy that I am wrong, but still wrong.

Francis got paid!

 

[borntoloseNOT]

You assume Francis won't land on him first?

Of course I assume that.

 

[handle]

props to francis, more power to him, and no doubt his move paid off.
but i never liked clown fights or all out gambling. sure some would succeed as francis have, but survivor bias is not something to aspire for.

 

[handle]

imagine a hundred dcs and a hundred francis, 99 of those dcs would prosper, and while the one Francis might equal 90 or 100 dcs monetary worth, the other 99's failure and suffering shouldn't be forgotten or swept aside.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

If that were true fury should have still won easily even if he didn't train (setting aside his own words that he trained fully and seriously for this bout and setting aside fsxt that he was to find usyk only 2 months later which implies he should already be preparing anyway).

If this is a cash grab then what's to Stop every boxing match to be one too? If so they are all fixed right? Sometimes we should just give credit to a guy who has worked hard and done well - fury did and u should to.

Of course Fury said that, selling and easily convincing the moron public that fighting mma jobbers is a risk for him instead of Usyk is the most lucrative route he can take.

Yeah I really believe he trained, I wonder how much it cost in whale freight to move that toneless blob from the dressing room to the ring

 

[Deaths Head]

the thing is Ngannou really didn't look or do anything impressive, Fury just looked like shit. Fury hasn't gassed like that in a fight before

He never fought a guy of similar weight when weighing 270 plus . He wasn’t gassed he cruised through the fight rather easily when Ngannou wasn’t doing much , he looked bad because he faced a guy who can punch and had enough sense to slip shots and control his own opponents range , it was actually Ngannou fatigued he was breathing heavy just after rnd 1 and bc he never been in something like this had to control his own energy to last the entire fight if he didn’t get a knockout win .

 

[borntoloseNOT]

Perhaps Fury didn't take him seriously. For a guy who supposedly had a 12 week training camp, he looks soft and mushy. He looked like a regular out of shape person from the audience, as opposed to a high level athlete expecting an easy night.

He looked more than pudgy, I legit laughed and knew the Usyk talk was either fake or he hadn’t even started to train for either fight. That was embarrassing for boxing even if it wasn’t really as close as people think. I genuinely think Fury is convincing people it was close is to open doors to more opportunities. Why train hard when you can clown around for similar money?

 

[TheGreatA]

He looked more than pudgy, I legit laughed and knew the Usyk talk was either fake or he hadn’t even started to train for either fight. That was embarrassing for boxing even if it wasn’t really as close as people think. I genuinely think Fury is convincing people it was close is to open doors to more opportunities. Why train hard when you can clown around for similar money?

He has tons of loose skin due to being morbidly obese back when he was having depression. He'll never look "fit' but I didn't think he looked all that different from his last couple of fights. 270 has pretty much become his standard weight.