The gun control folks don't care about specifics. If they did, this entire conversation (we have as a society) would be different.
I never said that there wouldn't still be murders. I'm saying that regardless of where they happen, armed resistance can dissuade all but the most determined criminal most of the time.
Those people are complete tools and while might be a legal gun owner aren't the cream of the crop by any means. If showing up at a protest with a gun influences the situation, then why don't you see that allowing competent people to carry in these stupid gun free zones would as well?
Really? Those nut jobs usually form their own militias and get put on some watchlist.
Let's be real here . . . there are multiple groups with their own "gun culture" that you're referring to. Some might change and become more responsible and others won't even consider it.
Would you not agree that more people have died due to our votes? So you're okay if we check competency before folks are allowed to vote? Or if we required them to get a voter ID?
Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion.
This is exactly what I'm referring to when I say lose the gun free zones and if they must exist in some locations provide better, hardened security.
I'm against irresponsible people in general . . . whether it's gun ownership, driving, having a kid or voting. The latter having the potential to cause much more long-term destruction.
This makes absolutely no sense to me. I like many others have completed the required training and obtained the state issued permits to carry. If the public is responsible for buying their own weapons they become gun holders.
People don't want to address the mental health aspect for some reason. People don't want to point out the actual demographics involved in gun violence. We as individuals can only address our own issues and hopefully contribute to addressing them on a larger scale.
Yeah, you are completely disconnected with what I've said and my stance on this issue.
I never said that there wouldn't still be murders. I'm saying that regardless of where they happen, armed resistance can dissuade all but the most determined criminal most of the time.
Again, you are completely glossing over the importance of the nature of the crime. There is a difference between your general crimes where the criminal has every intention of living vs. these kinds of crimes where the criminal either INTENDS on dying, or doesn't care if they live or die. You are not dissuading the latter with a gun.
Yeah, you are completely disconnected with what I've said and my stance on this issue.
How am I disconnected from what you've said/your stance? Your focal point is not about safety, it's about maintaining your right to bear arms. Is that an untrue statement? I"m not saying you don't care about safety at all, but it isn't your first priority.
If we're specifically talking about cases like this, these kinds of mass shootings, gun free zones don't address the issue. It just potentially reduces the amount of people killed.
For me, and others that may have my thinking, I don't think a so-called right should trump public safety. That doesn't mean get rid of the right, but there should be reasonable regulations.
This is exactly what I'm referring to when I say lose the gun free zones and if they must exist in some locations provide better, hardened security.
This is not realistic in the least bit. This is about as realistic as people that say "WHy don't you just shoot the guy in the leg, or shoot the gun out of his hand?"
We don't live in some tiny country like Singapore. There's always going to be soft targets. If these kinds of shooters are searching for easy targets, they'll always exist. How do you harden all primary schools, colleges, hospitals, places of worship, grocery stores, elderly homes, etc, etc? Society is just supposed to be ready for a shoot out at all times, in every location?
Those people are complete tools and while might be a legal gun owner aren't the cream of the crop by any means. If showing up at a protest with a gun influences the situation, then why don't you see that allowing competent people to carry in these stupid gun free zones would as well?
They don't influence the situation in a meaningful way. And my point was about the mindset of people like this. People that use guns as a tool for intimidation. You want to add good guys with guns to counter them, when there should be no guns used whatsoever in situations like this.
I don't think most gun owners are like this, but it only takes one turds to ruin the punch bowl, and we definitely have more than one.
Would you not agree that more people have died due to our votes? So you're okay if we check competency before folks are allowed to vote? Or if we required them to get a voter ID?
Dude, this is an absolutely ridiculous comparison. There is no meaning to anything if one were to take this argument seriously. There's no way for you to legitimately quantify something like this, because a lot of it will come down to what you personally believe to be right/wrong. If you're against abortion, and I'm for it, then my vote "killed" a bunch of babies. If you vote Republican and I vote Democrat, and I say your vote killed social services that wound up killing people that couldn't get care that would have saved their lives.
This is not the same thing as a gun. There is a direct relationship between gun laws , the people that buy them, and the people they shoot.
People don't want to address the mental health aspect for some reason. People don't want to point out the actual demographics involved in gun violence. We as individuals can only address our own issues and hopefully contribute to addressing them on a larger scale.
In what world do you live in where this is reality? Who doesn't talk about mental health? The left has always talked about mental health. And it's what the right always talk about now when we get shootings like this.
You keep proving over and over that you only care about "demographics" and particular types of shootings. You keep trying to reference these "demographics" while ignoring the important differences when it comes to different kinds of crimes/shootings.
This kind of shooting is not the same thing as general gun violence. This conversation right now isn't even about general gun violence.
We have a thing called society, government, communities...we don't just worry about ourselves and hope for the best.