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Sinister said:
France level taxes. Glad you brought that up:

"At first glance, French taxes look like they’re insanely high, and that it’s just better to live in the US. However, that’s not completely true.

You see, France makes a very clear distinction between Taxes and Social contributions. Basically, this is how much money you’ve got leftover after paying your taxes and contributing for social benefits, such as unemployment insurance, retirement plans, healthcare, etc. If we were to only take taxes into consideration, these rates would be much closer, and French people might actually pay a little less depending on the category.

So what does that mean?​

In the US, the average American spends more than 10 000 $ on healthcare alone, and if you spend that much, you have less money leftover unless you gain more than about 100 000 € a year. Not to mention, the French is having one of the best health service in the world, while the US system receives criticism from basically every political party.

And keep in mind, that’s not even counting all the other social benefits the French have such as free tuition, unemployment coverage, retirement, etc.

Conclusion​

Overall, it’s not that taxes are high in France; it’s that social contributions are added to them. In fact, unless you’re extremely rich, you’re likely to have more money left over to spend for yourself in France than in the US. The main difference is that in France, it’s mandatory to contribute to social benefits, while it’s up to your preference in the US. So really, one could say that you spend less in France than in the US."

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When robust programs run efficiently, they SAVE money at the consumer level, which offsets the cost enough so that average people spend less and save more.
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Still, the French do pay an income tax of eight percent to help fund their healthcare system. They also pay various value-added taxes, and employers also pay additional taxes. French workers are estimated to contribute around 21 percent of their income to maintaining the French healthcare system.

Quite a bit more than what I currently pay for healthcare. I'll stick to paying roughly 50% of that.

Honestly I wouldn't care if the US adopted their system as long as they did it cheap and efficiently. That won't happen because none of the US government backed systems for the average person are cheap or efficient.

shockaholic12 said:
That’s your logic applied to literally any government program so the fact you find it dumb should reveal something to you.
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That's not my logic at all. Most of the taxation system is a scam. You put in a lot of money and get very little back in return because the money is wasted through bureaucracy, bait and switch tactics, backdoor deals, companies that hike their prices up when the government comes knocking and making government workers do jobs that they don't have the expertise in. I'm saying we should fix that system so our tax dollars efficiently go toward their intended purpose but apparently that's bad logic.

We should just continue to pour even more money into the corrupt system apparently. What an idiot I am for not wanting to do that.
 
RoastBeast said:
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Still, the French do pay an income tax of eight percent to help fund their healthcare system. They also pay various value-added taxes, and employers also pay additional taxes. French workers are estimated to contribute around 21 percent of their income to maintaining the French healthcare system.

Quite a bit more than what I currently pay for healthcare. I'll stick to paying roughly 50% of that.

Honestly I wouldn't care if the US adopted their system as long as they did it cheap and efficiently. That won't happen because none of the US government backed systems for the average person are cheap or efficient.



That's not my logic at all. Most of the taxation system is a scam. You put in a lot of money and get very little back in return because the money is wasted through bureaucracy, bait and switch tactics, backdoor deals, companies that hike their prices up when the government comes knocking and making government workers do jobs that they don't have the expertise in. I'm saying we should fix that system so our tax dollars efficiently go toward their intended purpose but apparently that's bad logic.

We should just continue to pour even more money into the corrupt system apparently. What an idiot I am for not wanting to do that.
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That's not unreasonable, I do also agree it should be done efficiently and so we het more bang for our buck. I disagree the systems arent cheap or efficient for the average person, that suggests you've not really had to use them. Most of what people complain against is that they either dont provide enough, or that they have to jump through hoops to get the benefits. However, there's a reason Republicans are cautious about threatening social programs, because they're very very popular. Right now adults over 75 are the fastest growing work force. That's insane, and there's no reason for that or the rolling back of child labor laws largely in non-Union States.

And a true conservative would see the writing on the wall with this. If they eradicate the Administrative State and cut all these programs, well there's no better or faster way to create Communists...
 
RoastBeast said:
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Healthcare in France | Overview & Services | Study.com

Learn about the French healthcare system. Discover what healthcare in France is like, see if the healthcare is free, and learn about universal...
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Still, the French do pay an income tax of eight percent to help fund their healthcare system. They also pay various value-added taxes, and employers also pay additional taxes. French workers are estimated to contribute around 21 percent of their income to maintaining the French healthcare system.

Quite a bit more than what I currently pay for healthcare. I'll stick to paying roughly 50% of that.

Honestly I wouldn't care if the US adopted their system as long as they did it cheap and efficiently. That won't happen because none of the US government backed systems for the average person are cheap or efficient.



That's not my logic at all. Most of the taxation system is a scam. You put in a lot of money and get very little back in return because the money is wasted through bureaucracy, bait and switch tactics, backdoor deals, companies that hike their prices up when the government comes knocking and making government workers do jobs that they don't have the expertise in. I'm saying we should fix that system so our tax dollars efficiently go toward their intended purpose but apparently that's bad logic.

We should just continue to pour even more money into the corrupt system apparently. What an idiot I am for not wanting to do that.
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You have zero evidence of any widespread paid family leave scamming or misuse of funds for it. Your argument in this topic is so weak you've resorted to "but these other unrelated topics can be a waste of taxes". Who cares?
 
shockaholic12 said:
You have zero evidence of any widespread paid family leave scamming or misuse of funds for it. Your argument in this topic is so weak you've resorted to "but these other unrelated topics can be a waste of taxes". Who cares?
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I'm talking about our tax dollars in general. Sending 80 billion for Ukraine and Isreal to fight wars that don't involve us is a gross misuse of funds. Taxes are taxes. You really think that with all the tax dollars that you yourself know the government wastes....that they're going to take special care with the family leave tax dollar fund? What an insane assumption to randomly trust scammers with your money. You see the proof right in front of your face yet you can't bring yourself to stop trusting them. Insane.

I don't know why you keep on harping about unrelated topics as if we have to fully stay on track here. Remember it was you that started whining about banning books with blowjobs from children's libraries. Seems as if it's okay if you go off topic to make a point but not okay if I do. Lets stop being a hypocrite here.
 
RoastBeast said:
I'm talking about our tax dollars in general. Sending 80 billion for Ukraine and Isreal to fight wars that don't involve us is a gross misuse of funds. Taxes are taxes. You really think that with all the tax dollars that you yourself know the government wastes....that they're going to take special care with the family leave tax dollar fund? What an insane assumption to randomly trust scammers with your money. You see the proof right in front of your face yet you can't bring yourself to stop trusting them. Insane.

I don't know why you keep on harping about unrelated topics as if we have to fully stay on track here. Remember it was you that started whining about banning books with blowjobs from children's libraries. Seems as if it's okay if you go off topic to make a point but not okay if I do. Lets stop being a hypocrite here.
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You keep going on and on about this boogey man paid family leave tax scam that is going to waste the money allocated to it but have yet to even articulate how it works. If you're asking us all to live in this fear with you at least make an effort to tell us what were suppose to worry about.

What are the actual steps to this scam that's going to misuse the funds? Who specifically is behind it?
 
RoastBeast said:
I'm talking about our tax dollars in general. Sending 80 billion for Ukraine and Isreal to fight wars that don't involve us is a gross misuse of funds. Taxes are taxes. You really think that with all the tax dollars that you yourself know the government wastes....that they're going to take special care with the family leave tax dollar fund? What an insane assumption to randomly trust scammers with your money. You see the proof right in front of your face yet you can't bring yourself to stop trusting them. Insane.

I don't know why you keep on harping about unrelated topics as if we have to fully stay on track here. Remember it was you that started whining about banning books with blowjobs from children's libraries. Seems as if it's okay if you go off topic to make a point but not okay if I do. Lets stop being a hypocrite here.
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Foreign and domestic policy are 2 different things. And we've never been short or funding for empirical foreign policy. While I would prefer it be less meddlesome, blaming Israel and Ukraine for domestic policy is a red herring. The process for dealing with scammers is simple. Same 2 processes that removed George Santos and Donald Trump. Two known scammers who arent currently in power despite their efforts to try to ignore the processes that removed them. More of that and we are on the right track.
 
I'm fairly certain many jobs here in the US offer maternity leave. Also I'm sure government employees do.
 
shockaholic12 said:
You keep going on and on about this boogey man paid family leave tax scam that is going to waste the money allocated to it but have yet to even articulate how it works. If you're asking us all to live in this fear with you at least make an effort to tell us what were suppose to worry about.

What are the actual steps to this scam that's going to misuse the funds? Who specifically is behind it?
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There is no specific family leave tax scam. The scam is how our government uses our tax dollars. You really need me to spell that out for you? Just go take a gander at what $7.5 billion for EV chargers has accomplished and tell me that our government isn't a scam. Who gives a fuck what the actual steps are or who specifically is behind it? As if I can somehow get you names and addresses and shit or else it doesn't exist. Quit playing dumb.
 
RoastBeast said:
There is no specific family leave tax scam. The scam is how our government uses our tax dollars. You really need me to spell that out for you? Just go take a gander at what $7.5 billion for EV chargers has accomplished and tell me that our government isn't a scam. Who gives a fuck what the actual steps are or who specifically is behind it? As if I can somehow get you names and addresses and shit or else it doesn't exist. Quit playing dumb.
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So you've been ragging on and on about a tax issue in a paid family leave thread that you admit has no specific connection to paid family leave.

It's almost as if you've been grasping for anything to try and argue paid family leave for everyone isn't a good idea so hard you've made it to imaginary problem land.
 
Yehudim said:
we’ve had higher birth rates than comparable societies without it. If we had paid maternity leave it would do very little to boost birth rates, since that has very little to do with birth rates.
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US also has one of if not the highest maternal mortality rate out of all developed nations.

We’re number one
 
shockaholic12 said:
So you've been ragging on and on about a tax issue in a paid family leave thread that you admit has no specific connection to paid family leave.

It's almost as if you've been grasping for anything to try and argue paid family leave for everyone isn't a good idea so hard you've made it to imaginary problem land.
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Imaginary land is thinking that all the sudden everyone gets a large amount of paid family leave on the basis of nothing other than charity. I already made my points well before you poo poo'd on the discussion. The cost either comes from taxpayers or gets placed on the consumer. It doesn't just get eaten by business as a charity to people.

If you want to believe that the government doesn't waste tax dollars, then that's your prerogative. If you want to believe that the government wastes tax dollars but they won't waste it in this case, then that's your prerogative as well. Someone could show you a dozen instances of government corruption when it comes to tax spending and you'll explain it away by saying that those tax dollars have nothing to do with maternity leave tax dollars. If that's how your brain works, then I don't know what to tell you. Apply that logic to anything else in life and you'll look like an absolute fool.
 
Not like Canada has much. Sure you can take a year off, but it's hardly paid, it's done through your government employment insurance (at least in Ontario, the only province I have had children in). I think when my daughter was born it worked out to about $850 a month. now you can stretch it out to 18 months, but it ends up being the same amount of money stretched over that period of time. Most of the better unionized and government jobs have some sort of maternity top-up where the employer pays the difference between your EI and your salary, but it's hardly standard (sadly my wife was not in one of these jobs)
 
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Mostly, in my experience, the mother/father uses their vacation time and when that’s used up, they go on Fmla for a period. I agree some assistance is necessary, but only for those that really need it. Maybe temporary disability or some other form of assistance.
 
It would just be another incentive for the Tropicanas and Shaniquas and Betty Joes to have more children....having a child is not an accomplishment.
 
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