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checktheknuckles said:
It wasn't stolen. It was taken by force. Pretty much how everything happened in history. And either way, we all came from the same continent Pangea, so no one is stealing anything from anyone.

And how racists are you to consider Native american's illegals? Native Americans or Indians, are already legal. So try and stay on topic.
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Your so stupid bro but ok clown!
 
Islam Imamate said:
And what is the solution to dealing with the Muslims already here like me? Should the US take the China route?
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Secular education.

All kinds of religious schools must be banned.
Yeshivas, medreses, catholic schools, etc.

Religious education should be available for people after 25 y.o. as it is even more dangerous than alcohol.
 
kflo said:
But Israel’s backing in hamas infancy was before they were a terror group committed to the destruction of Israel.
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Even if we're looking at Hamas purely as a political movement, it wasn't a secret what they wanted or where they were headed. It's not like Israel didn't have a extensive dossiers on the Hamas contacts they worked with, many who had previously been imprisoned or punished for, depending on how you look at it, subversive activity or terrorism.
 
fungi said:
Secular education.

All kinds of religious schools must be banned.
Yeshivas, medreses, catholic schools, etc.

Religious education should be available for people after 25 y.o. as it is even more dangerous than alcohol.
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Sounds like Stalinism light. Wouldn't such a ban infringe upon the free exercise of religion? I would concede that the schools would still need to follow state standards on curriculum to be accredited but the teaching of religion should not be banned outright.
 
avenue94 said:
To be clear, you are lumping in people who have been given no chance to develop a concept of what peace would look like. Let's make this simple. Should an 18year old American be held responsible for the invasion of Iraq and any American atrocities that followed? If you are consistent, then your answer is absolutely yes.

The average age of a Palestinian is signifncalty younger than almost any country. Hence the opinions of minors in Palestine is quiet relevant.
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I'm not lumping shit together. I'm trying to treat them like adults but you insist we must treat them like children. Yes there are a lot of youth in Palestine, 50%. The other 50% are adults.

This is so fuckin stupid lmao.

I guess we just do war forever because half the population are children and don't know better. Let's just continue to make excuses and keep the denying the reality that their only demand is that Israel should not exist.
 
Rational Poster said:
I'm not lumping shit together. I'm trying to treat them like adults but you insist we must treat them like children. Yes there are a lot of youth in Palestine, 50%. The other 50% are adults.
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I don't think you understand how extraordinary it is for a country or region to have 50% of its population be under 18. (It's not half, I gave an average, I'm too lazy to math), or what that means for public opinion and how it's constructed.
Rational Poster said:
I guess we just do war forever because half the population are children and don't know better. Let's just continue to make excuses and keep the denying the reality that their only demand is that Israel should not exist.
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There are other options than war forever and Palestinians don't want peace so revert back to earlier point of war forever. Acknowledging the complexity of a problem and how multiple decisions led us to this point is critical in history. It's not making excuses.
 
checktheknuckles said:
Why you bring up native americans? They aren't illegals. Or you saying the native americans stole their land from the mexicans? Why are you scared of these people following the law?
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Mexicans are natives you fool. We got colonized they made a line, America and Mexico.
 
Islam Imamate said:
The reason they don't have the kind of demographic dominance they want is because the Zionist population is a 20th century endeavor that resulted form settler-colonialism and they couldn't get rid of all the natives like they wanted to. But rest assured they're certainly doing their best to push out and contain the remaining natives into tiny, densely populated cantons like Gaza.
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It's just a dishonest take or a very low IQ one.
"Israel is not an ethnostate because they have Israeli Arabs".
Implying that murdering or expelling millions of people wouldn't completely shatter Israel's reputation and possibly lead to an intervention.

The other dumb, or dishonest take, is claiming it's not an ethnostate because they have Ethiopian Jews or some Filipino maid that got citizenship. Ignoring the fact that the vast majority of immigrants that are able to obtain citizenship in Israel are Jewish.
Next argument will be that Jewish isn't even an ethnicity.

Mind you, that is the same guy who supports immigration of any nationality or creed to the US, but also supports Israel allowing immigration of Jews only and also supports expelling people and replacing them with Jewish settlers.
And comparing American contractors in Afghanistan with extreme right, Netanyahu supporter settlers.
 
Voodoo_Child906 said:
Sounds like Stalinism light. Wouldn't such a ban infringe upon the free exercise of religion? I would concede that the schools would still need to follow state standards on curriculum to be accredited but the teaching of religion should not be banned outright.
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No, it does not.

Age restriction is the most logical thing.
Why do we not serve alcohol, tobacco to younglings? Because they are not mature enough.

Religion is potentially much more dangerous than those things.

What's the worst thing a drunk can do? Kill someone in a drunken stupor.

What's the most dangerous thing a religous nut can do? Commit a terroristic act, start a war, genocide people of other faith, etc., while being sober and of "allegedly" clear mind.

P.s. even bloody amishes do not baptize babies. They baptize adults, after the adult chooses to be baptized. Usually after a rumspringa, a 3-year journey in the non-amish, secular world.
 
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avenue94 said:
I don't think you understand how extraordinary it is for a country or region to have 50% of its population be under 18. (It's not half, I gave an average, I'm too lazy to math), or what that means for public opinion and how it's constructed.

There are other options than war forever and Palestinians don't want peace so revert back to earlier point of war forever. Acknowledging the complexity of a problem and how multiple decisions led us to this point is critical in history. It's not making excuses.
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Name one option.
 
fungi said:
No, it does not.

Age restriction is the most logical thing.
Why do we not serve alcohol, tobacco to younglings? Because they are not mature enough.

Religion is potentially much more dangerous than those things.

What's the worst thing a drunk can do? Kill someone in a drunken stupor.

What's the most dangerous thing a religous nut can do? Commit a terroristic act, start a war, genocide people of other faith, etc., while being sober and of "allegedly" clear mind.

P.s. even bloody amishes do not baptize babies. They baptize adults, after the adult chooses to be baptized. Usually after a rumspringa, a 3-year journey in the non-amish, secular world.
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There should absolutely be an age restriction on something like circumcision. It blows my mind that chopping off part of your infant son's penis is still legal.

God: Grow your beard. I gave it to you for a reason.
Also God: I command you to cut off your foreskin.

lmao.

As far as religious ideas, it does almost seem like some form of child abuse to indoctrinate your kids with them. It's amazing what conditioning from an early age and group think are capable of, but maintaining a liberal society is more important, which is why I think we should just be free to ridicule it and see what that does. Society's reluctance to mock religion validates the sentiment that it's something sacred or distinct from other forms of irrationality.
 
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Bojka said:
There should absolutely be an age restriction on something like circumcision. It blows my mind that chopping off part of your infant son's penis is still legal.

God: Grow your beard. I gave it to you for a reason.
Also God: I command you to cut off your foreskin.

lmao.

As far as religious ideas, it does seem like some form of child abuse to indoctrinate your kids with them. It's amazing what conditioning from an early age and group think are capable of, but maintaining a liberal society is more important, which is why I think we should just be free to ridicule it and see what that does. Society's reluctance to mock religion validates the sentiment that it's something sacred or distinct from other forms of irrationality.
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circumcision is genital mutilation, no matter the age.

what kind of "god" demands a piece of your penis as a covenant?
 
My father is a muslim(shitty muslim tbh) and he never thought about moving to west but if he did, he would never disrespect to the country he lives in. It's interesting most muslims living in the west are radical ones. In my home country liberal muslims hates the ones living in the west because of how disrespectful and ungrateful they are. But liberals in the west kisses their ass.
 
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