With all due respect to the great Mike Tyson (also: About Awesome Kicks)

[Natman2939]

1st, I think that was totally bullshit that dana would change his mind on ko of the night because a guy he's sitting with disagrees, even if that guy is Mike Tyson.

Besides, maybe it's because Tyson comes from boxing that he thought punches were better

BUT SPINNING WHEEL KICK KNOCKOUT!

Come on! (and to Mark Hunt of all people)

but speaking of SPINNING WHEEL KICK KNOCKOUT!, I thin it's really incredible that not that long ago, the vast majority of kicks in MMA were all muay thai based and they were very simple muay thai at that.

As Rogan said, people pretty much used to just do roundhouse kicks. (and maybe the occasional push kick)

and there was a clear line of thinking about this: Real fighting = Simple, practical, straight forward. While MOVIES = The flashy stuff. So save them for that.

Basically people would say "If one guy tries to throw some fancy spinning kick, the other guy can just jab him."

But thanks to guys like Cung Le, Machida, Anderson, Pettis, any quite a few others, people are really starting to see that the "flashy stuff" that they thought was only for movies can really work well if you have the skill and SPEED to pull it off (back in the day the "keep it simple" idea made sense because everyone was slow and not nearly as technical)

So now just in the past month we've seen JDS and Vitor Belfort pull off extremely fancy kicks, and there's still that other one from last year the UFC loves to show.

I'm really loving this. I hope people continue to experiment and things get wilder and wilder.

 

[kingcillo24]

JDS vs Hunt already got a bonus. JDS didn't need another bonus plus he has a high salary so Tyson gave it to TJ Grant.

 

[WHITE LIES]

Calm down.

Look at it from the bright side, TJ Grant needs the money alot harder than Santos (who already got a bonus).

 

[linvillegorge]

Yep, JDS already got the FOTN bonus. Let TJ have KOTN.

 

[TMMAray]

Calm down.

Look at it from the bright side, TJ Grant needs the money alot harder than Santos (who already got a bonus).

This. I hate it when I fighter who's only making a few thousand loses out on a KO of the Night bonus because he gets showed up by someone who's making 6 figures on the fight anyway.

 

[wilKO]

JDS and Hunt got handsome rewards for that KO. JDS already made bank for that fight. I have no issue with the KO of the night bonus going to TJ Grant.

 

[Dethrone1989]

JDS definitely had a better KO then Grant, but JDS makes a grip load more than TJ. That 50k is a lot more money to TJ then it is to JDS who now is sponsored by Nike, and was already getting 50k for FOTN.

 

[Callisto]

It isn't a charity.

It isn't supposed to be an award to people who need the money more.

It is supposed to be an award for merit.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

 

[TFanatic]

They should have just given two kotn awards like they have in the past.

 

[TTech]

It isn't a charity.

It isn't supposed to be an award to people who need the money more.

It is supposed to be an award for merit.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

EXACTLY.

They can still give TJ a lockroom bonus if they feel like he performed very well. Which he did, so that would be nothing out of the ordinary. But to take it from JDS who deserved it without a doubt (seriously, besides the fact that its a rare sight to even see that but to see JDS, a striker, knocking out Hunt with, not just a kick but a spinning kick... wow, juust wow). Its complete BS for Dana to do that.
Sadly we see that all the time, decisions being based on Danas feelings and likes (UFC HOF comes to mind from the last 24hs)

 

[hendobomb]

They should have just given two kotn awards like they have in the past.

in theory this would appeal to all, but i think they only give 2 kotn bonuses if there is no sub bonus that night. or vice versa 2 sotn if no knockouts. always have 1 fotn ofc.

 

[KillingJoke]

It isn't a charity.

It isn't supposed to be an award to people who need the money more.

It is supposed to be an award for merit.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Why is it so hard to understand, that most people aren't upset over this? It doesn't necessarily have to go to the flashiest knockout of the night.

 

[Natman2939]

It isn't a charity.

It isn't supposed to be an award to people who need the money more.

It is supposed to be an award for merit.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

This!

I would quote all the people who said something that justifies needing to read this but then I'd have to quote EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THE THREAD

The knockout of the night is about who got the best knockout, how much the fighter's purse is not supposed to be factored into that decision

Otherwise someone like anderson would never be allowed to win a "Of the Night"

While I appreciate that TJ needs the money more, I don't see many people disputing the fact that JDS' ko was a better ko and thus... it's the knockout of the night

 

[hoorah]

As long as it's KOTN to you TS, it's all good.

 

[Natman2939]

Why is it so hard to understand, that most people aren't upset over this? It doesn't necessarily have to go to the flashiest knockout of the night.

actually that's the entire idea of being the BEST of the night.

best fight
best knockout
best submission

that's what it means.

 

[thechoice2]

How much or little a fighter is making shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not they receive an OTN bonus, that should be based strictly on either how good the fight was or how good the Sub or KO was.

If the fighter put on a great performance deserving of extra compensation, simply take care of them with the typical "locker room" bonus.

 

[Natman2939]

How much or little a fighter is making shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not they receive an OTN bonus, that should be based strictly on either how good the fight was or how good the Sub or KO was.

If the fighter put on a great performance deserving of extra compensation, simply take care of them with the typical "locker room" bonus.

well said

 

[76Knockout]

They should have just given two kotn awards like they have in the past.

This because i support both sides.

Its not JDS's fault he gets paid a lot, and already got FOTN, his KO without a doubt was better than Grants. Spinning back kick on Mark Hunt? gtfo

On the other hand Grant's KO was brilliant, and very unexpected. And he could probably use the bonus more than JDS.

Both should have gotten it like Wand/Le and Shogun/Hendo, pretty sure they both got FOTN.

 

[KillingJoke]

actually that's the entire idea of being the BEST of the night.

best fight
best knockout
best submission

that's what it means.

I could argue that knocking out a fresh Gray Maynard is more impressive that the flashy kick ko over a tired out Mark Hunt in the 3rd round. Gray had only be TKO'd once before in his career (like Hunt), was higher ranked and Grant was a big underdog as well.

 

[Steve-French]

JDS's knock out was definitely the flashier of the two; but JDS was supposed to win that fight. T.J. Grant was an underdog that came back from adversity to fuck up Grey Maynard (two time number one contender) faster than anybody ever has to hand him his second loss.

Also JDS is sponsored by Nike so I don't feel bad. With all that said I thought JDS's knock out was cooler though.