International China warns US it will be defeated if the two superpowers go to war: Report

[Ruprecht]

Crossing the Straits would be extremly costly for China. They will expect to limit the war to a conventional war, but if the US decides to help, they will lose badly. So then it comes down to going all out and using WMDs, which I doubt they will because that would be WW3 and total destruction of China.

In any war, conventional or not, the US will dominate the air pretty quickly. Without air cover and ability to defend land based assets against enemy air attacks, they are toast.

They don't have to defeat the US militarily, they just have to keep the conflict going until you get sick of it and leave. Same as every other conflict the US has lost for the last half a century.

 

[Bia]

Can you imagine witnessing in your life time 10 million Chinese forces dispatched from Shanghai landing on California beach one morning storming the place..

US already prepared for this for years, release those Asian-hates criminals!

 

[Anung Un Rama]

The thing that always amazes me with these threads is how many people think China would win.

We haven't won a war since WWII and have been picking on third world countries ever since. It took us 20 years to give up on Afghanistan, a country so shitty that you can't tell which photos were before and after 20 years of US bombing.

 

[MicroBrew]

They don't have to defeat the US militarily, they just have to keep the conflict going until you get sick of it and leave. Same as every other conflict the US has lost for the last half a century.

The difference in Iraq and Afghanistan is that the US was an occupational force, and its enemies waged guerilla warfare. The US will not be occupying mainland China. The US would just be helping Taiwan repel the PLA. When the enemy is uniformed, as the PLA would be, the US would have no problem destroying them.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Watch out now, the Russians might leak oil on us...

They better patched up the Kushneztshov.

Besht Shmokeh Maschine

 

[Anung Un Rama]

It's basically impossible to attack the USA. We'd know well in advance and blow them out of the water.

I'm sure China would come straight at us in a column with their muskets.

 

[ShinkanPo]

The difference in Iraq and Afghanistan is that the US was an occupational force, and its enemies waged guerilla warfare. The US will not be occupying mainland China. The US would just be helping Taiwan repel the PLA. When the enemy is uniformed, as the PLA would be, the US would have no problem destroying them.

And if it becomes Total War US has enough global military units to interdict China, that saying China does not need to defeat the USA goes both ways.

 

[Oedad]

Crossing the Straits would be extremly costly for China. They will expect to limit the war to a conventional war, but if the US decides to help, they will lose badly. So then it comes down to going all out and using WMDs, which I doubt they will because that would be WW3 and total destruction of China.

In any war, conventional or not, the US will dominate the air pretty quickly. Without air cover and ability to defend land based assets against enemy air attacks, they are toast.

Western air forces have always taken a horrible beating over layered AA defense networks fielded by actual Russians and Chinese AA crews and pilots. Iraqi pilots whose training and readiness was decimated after 8 years of grueling warfare, with AA crews who can't even read a radar screen are no comparison to the complexity and depth of the Chinese air defense capabilities.

US never had air supremacy over North Korea or Vietnam, and Israel never dominated the air over Egypt proper in the Yom Kippur war. The US lost some 9000 aircraft over Vietnam over the course of the war, and despite our stealth technologies the majority of the air fleet is essentially one generation removed from that conflict.

China's air force and air defense network would be closer to parity with US offensive air capabilities than any of those foes, and the entire fight would be conducted over Chinese air defense networks so there is no way the US gets total air superiority let alone air supremacy over mainland china. There would be no helicopters loitering or A-10s provideing close air support around the battlefields in any war near the Chinese coast or over its mainland.

Plus china has access to all kinds of radar data of US airframes from the Russians in Syria so I'm sure they know what they are looking for to at least give them a decent chance to get shots off against our stealth airframes if they try to do any kind of deep penetration over Chinese air defense.

We could nibble at the edges of their network with our newest tech, while still taking loses unlike anything we've experienced in the last 40 years, but in no way could guarantee air superiority for any kind of land campaign on their territory.

Even losing 1 B-2 bomber would be many times more economically and military significant than them losing whole batteries of S-300 equivalents or many su-27 clones.

 

[Jeffy37]

I didn’t say their aircraft carriers were to our level yet. I said their destroyers and cruisers are. Their submarines are no joke either, they’ve penetrated our strike groups at sea before.

It's gonna be kinda hard getting any invasion onto Us soil in any hypothetical scenario when they would get destroyed by air force carriers..

 

[dragonsfly]

It's basically impossible to attack the USA. We'd know well in advance and blow them out of the water.

If pearl harbour happened you can definitely get surprised.. They can come with underwater submarines and plenty of submarines enough to carry millions where one can house 5000. they can make silently land fall early in the morning on a sunday morning.. No war is declared nothing it would just be a surprise attack to open the war with

 

[Ruprecht]

The difference in Iraq and Afghanistan is that the US was an occupational force, and its enemies waged guerilla warfare. The US will not be occupying mainland China. The US would just be helping Taiwan repel the PLA. When the enemy is uniformed, as the PLA would be, the US would have no problem destroying them.

Makes little difference. Kinmen Island is within spitting distance of the mainland, which is where it'd start. Followed by the Matsu Islands.
I guess Taiwan could just abandon them.
Obviously China isn't going to try and send an amphibious landing force through a US fleet, but they can easily maintain a low level conflict just off their coast for longer than the US could stomach one.
If the US was going to fortify Taiwan like South Korea, they should have done it already.

 

[avenue94]

China always plays long game

Lets see in 30 years,they arent in a hurry

What makes you think China always plays long games?

but every ship they make is state of the art. Their cruisers and destroyers are basic copies of ours and they have way more of them

Can you be more ignorant?

 

[AndroidRage]

Said it once, I’ll say it again.

Time to let Japan loose.

Let those suppressed fuckers be their crazy imperialist selves and ally with them closer than ever.

Move all of our production to South America and Africa.

Let those places build their middle class from our corporations.

China is already doing this with Africa.

 

[Fugazy]

China is already doing this with Africa.

I know.

Africa is big though.

Lots of opportunity.

 

[avenue94]

China has 20 times the population

China has a population of...6.5 billion? No wonder they are getting so frisky about expanding.

Outside of nuking them into oblivion, US stands no chance in open conflict with them, and they know it. Watch USs answer to these open threats.

China's navy isn't even a match for Japan, let alone a truly first rate navy. Chill out some with the dreams of doomsday.

And again a big factor in wars is morale and fighting spirit, you can't tell me that nationalism is promoted in US culture more than anti racism.

The U.S. is notorious among countries for being nationalistic.

I'm sure China would come straight at us in a column with their muskets.

That would likely be a better strategy than trying to invade the U.S. or most other options available to China.

If pearl harbour happened you can definitely get surprised.. They can come with underwater submarines and plenty of submarines enough to carry millions where one can house 5000. they can make silently land fall early in the morning on a sunday morning.. No war is declared nothing it would just be a surprise attack to open the war with

I'm going to assume this is sarcasm since no submarine can house 5,000 soldiers, let alone their equipment. Not to mention carrying a million soldiers with your super duper, totally real submarine would require 200 of them...lol

 

[Proud American]

What makes you think China always plays long games?

Can you be more ignorant?

Our Navy says this about their destroyers and cruisers!!! Know something before you post something

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/asia/china-new-destroyers-intl/index.html

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-is-a-reality-check-for-the-us-and-its-allies

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...er-reveals-beijings-modern-surface-fleet/amp/

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...-has-more-ships-than-the-us-does-that-matter/

 

[TheMaster]

Well theres only one way to find out

Are you volunteering?

If China takes the US head-on, it will be destroyed. They are not going to commit suicide to take Taiwan by force, which itself would be destroyed.

China is pulling a Sun Tzu , i.e. trying to to appear far stronger than they really are, to intimidate and cow the enemy.

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All the more reason to Decouple now !!

#DecoupleFromChina.

This is true. It's always the double game with China. Most what they have is copied, then use it back against us, project an image of strength which is actually our strength of tech we have allowed them to learn.

Still, there is no doubt they would win in their own back yard.
You wander why the US feels so desperate they have to try to control every region even areas that have no historical or geographical connection to them thousands of miles away.

 

[avenue94]

Our Navy says this about their destroyers and cruisers!!! Know something before you post something

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-is-a-reality-check-for-the-us-and-its-allies

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...er-reveals-beijings-modern-surface-fleet/amp/

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...-has-more-ships-than-the-us-does-that-matter/

Yeah, and the PLAN still comes nowhere near the U.S. in capabilities. The U.S. could just rely on its submarines and the PLAN wouldn't be able to do much of anything.

From your own link:
"In the end, China's new Type 055 destroyers are another indication of the amazing strides the country has made in their attempt to reach some sort of parity in multiple domains of warfare with the U.S. and especially its regional allies. That's not to say these ships and their weapons are as capable as their American counterparts, because in many ways they are not."

 

[Amerikuracana]

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China warns US it will be defeated if the two superpowers go to war: Report
Updated: May 15, 2021 19:44 IST

Beijing [China], May 15 (ANI): Amid tensions in the South China Sea and over Taiwan, China has issued a warning that the US will be defeated if the two superpowers go to war.

Citing Global Times editorial piece, Express.co.uk reported that the threat is in response to joint military drills carried out by the US. The US joined drills with Japan, Australia and France this week in a show of force against Beijing.

Earlier on Thursday, China had described the military exercises in southern Japan involving troops and hardware from France, Japan, the United States and Australia as a waste of fuel, adding that the drill had "no impact" on the country.

China claims sovereignty over almost the entire South China Sea and has overlapping territorial claims with Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan.

Beijing also claims full sovereignty over Taiwan, a democracy of almost 24 million people located off the southeastern coast of mainland China, despite the fact that the two sides have been governed separately for more than seven decades.

"The Global Times put out an editorial saying the US would be defeated if any conflict broke out in the South China Sea. Many see the drills as a show of force aimed at China as Japan works towards consolidating military alliances in an effort to deter its neighbouring superpower," said RT America's Alex Mihailovich.

He further said, "The drills appeared to irritate China rather than contain it."

Former UK MP George Galloway said that this would prompt an increase in military preparedness from China.

"What a spur this must be to China's own warship development. If they are not fools, they will be building so many warships right now that no-one will dare to steam up the East China Sea and threaten them in any way," Galloway said.

Earlier this week, the Chinese People's Liberation Army released videos showing marines training for island landing drills in an apparent threat to Taiwan. Video footage released by the PLA Navy shows marines from the Eastern Theatre Command in a recent landing exercise for a simulated invasion, Express.co.uk reported.

China has been increasing its maritime activities in both the South China Sea and the East China Sea over the past few months, partly in response to Beijing's concerns over the increasing US military presence in the region because of escalating Sino-US tensions.

https://www.aninews.in/news/world/a...o-superpowers-go-to-war-report20210515194443/

We have to destroy modern liberalism now. Fk worrying about people who realized the media rigged the election, and express it by indicating things they have no proof of. They have issues, as well, but the one-party establishment state designed to weaken us and fruit is the fk out has to go. It’s disgusting.

 

[Strychnine]

They don't have to defeat the US militarily, they just have to keep the conflict going until you get sick of it and leave. Same as every other conflict the US has lost for the last half a century.

China invaded Vietnam in 1979 and was forced out three weeks later.




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