Cuban Boxing Fundamentals

Bivol left his trainer, Isaev, so he’ll go down eventually, mark my words. His new coach in professionals sucks badly, after a fight with Smith-jr. it’s as clear as day. Bivol made all possible mistakes he could and was nearly KO’d in 10th round.
 
Dexter said:
Bivol left his trainer, Isaev, so he’ll go down eventually, mark my words. His new coach in professionals sucks badly, after a fight with Smith-jr. it’s as clear as day. Bivol made all possible mistakes he could and was nearly KO’d in 10th round.
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I dont know who Bivol's current trainer is but I can honestly tell you I've seen with my own two eyes that most western trainers just dont know how to handle Eastern Bloc athletes and Cubans. They just stick them in the mitts/sparring/bags rotation and let them get technically lazy. This leads to them primarily getting leg-lazy, and their head movement isnt extremely sophisticated. So they end up getting hit more, but they're very tough and most of them can also hit. So the trainer doesnt mind because they end up getting the better of it anyway.

I would be willing to bet that Dadashev was damaged in sparring. Its customary here to do lots of hard sparring if a trainer thinks you're tough enough to endure it. I've seen it ruin quite a few fighters. The guy who had Akhmadaliev also had Giyasov at the same time and neither of them liked the sparring. I watched Semeni Uporov get knocked out badly in the gym, by a guy Korobov had difficulty with. Sanjar Rakhmanov is another who does lots of hard sparring and then underperforms in his fights.
 
Sinister said:
I dont know who Bivol's current trainer is but I can honestly tell you I've seen with my own two eyes that most western trainers just dont know how to handle Eastern Bloc athletes and Cubans. They just stick them in the mitts/sparring/bags rotation and let them get technically lazy. This leads to them primarily getting leg-lazy, and their head movement isnt extremely sophisticated. So they end up getting hit more, but they're very tough and most of them can also hit. So the trainer doesnt mind because they end up getting the better of it anyway.
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what is the solution here?
 
SandisLL said:
This isn't acceptable. For grapplers too. There ruining starts - getting leg-lazy.
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Well, in Boxing if you cannot move your legs well you can at least move your head and use subtle distance changes to kind of stall for time. Hide right in front of the guy. Bobby Chacon was a wizard with that:

 
Nice. Thanks for vid link.
He still uses legs and isn't dumb. Anyway it is assumed that with good leg usage harder punches might be delivered etc etc. You know.
Sinister said:
does lots of hard sparring and then underperforms in fights.
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Yup, this isn't U.S specific and applies also for grappling too & even if without strong blows to head or without any strike to head etc.
Too tired, slower than in sparrings. Saw specimens that were slow in fight if compare with their speed in spar/ rolls.
 
Lvov is notorious for having managed to bring a suitcase of pornographic magazines from the Boxing World Cup (and in the USSR at that time it was a criminally punishable case), for which he was urgently removed from the national team and expelled from the Komsomol, which is tantamount to the end of his sports career.
 
Lol, there are thousands of athletes whose career ended due to their penis
 
Bros, I got a few PMs with questions. I will answer in this thread so as not to repeat in the future:

- On "typical" training session in our "amateur" gyms:

1. "Roadwork" warm-up = about 15 min.

(not exactly it, but best i could find)


2. Jumping rope 3*3 min, with 20-30 sec. breaks during which we do different types of push-ups (about 20-25 in one go).

3. Depending on the focus of a particular session:

- partner drills without gloves;



- circle training (working on each station for about 30 sec/1 min. then change to the next);



4. Shadow boxing 2*3 min (bandaging one hand at a time during breaks):



5. Light free sparring warm-up (left hand only) 1*3 min.
6. Partner drills in gloves ...*3min.



7. Free sparring (round 1 - only left hand, round 2 - left all+right to the body, round 3 - free) - 3*3 min.
8. Heavy bag workout 3*3 min.
9. Group push-ups, sit-ups, neck, etc. 10-15 min.
10. Stretching.

- Сost of classes (in big cities):

1 group session (2 hours) - about 6 USD
12 group sessions a month (2 hours each) - about 65 USD
1 private session (mitts, etc.) - about 75 USD

- Grade system:

1. Novice (12 y.o. min for official competitions)* - people less than 3 months in training are not allowed to participate in the competition.
* this stupidity leads to the fact that often people with 50-60 "unofficial" fights are listed for beginner tournaments.
2. 3rd Grade (junior/senior) - 5 wins during a year on any level competitions.
3. 2nd Grade (junior/senior) - 10 wins within a year with opponents of 3rd grade or higher.
4. 1st Grade (junior/senior) - 15 wins over 2nd grade or higher.
5. Master of sport candidate (15 y.o. min) - win the championship of the republic, territory, region.
6. Master of sport (17 y.o. min) - take 1st or 2nd place in the Russia Cup or similar level competition.
7. Master of sport international level - Take 1st to 5th place at the Olympic Games. Take a prize (1-3) at the World Cup. Take a prize (1-3) at the European Championship or World Cup. Take 1-2 places at the World Championship among military personnel or the World War Games. Win the world championship among juniors. Win the European Cup. Win the European Championship among juniors. Win an international tournament approved by AIBA, provided that the boxer this year won 1st or 2nd place in the Russian Championship.
8. Merrited master of sport - multiple times previous achievements.
 
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Dexter said:
Bros, I got a few PMs with questions. I will answer in this thread so as not to repeat in the future:

- On "typical" training session in our "amateur" gyms:

1. "Roadwork" warm-up = about 15 min.

(not exactly it, but best i could find)


2. Jumping rope 3*3 min, with 20-30 sec. breaks during which we do different types of push-ups (about 20-25 in one go).

3. Depending on the focus of a particular session:

- partner drills without gloves;



- circle training (working on each station for about 30 sec/1 min. then change to the next);



4. Shadow boxing 2*3 min (bandaging one hand at a time during breaks):



5. Light free sparring warm-up (left hand only) 1*3 min.
6. Partner drills in gloves ...*3min.



7. Free sparring (round 1 - only left hand, round 2 - left all+right to the body, round 3 - free) - 3*3 min.
8. Heavy bag workout 3*3 min.
9. Group push-ups, sit-ups, neck, etc. 10-15 min.
10. Stretching.

- Сost of classes (in big cities):

1 group session (2 hours) - about 6 USD
12 group sessions a month (2 hours each) - about 65 USD
1 private session (mitts, etc.) - about 75 USD

- Grade system:

1. Novice (12 y.o. min for official competitions)* - people less than 3 months in training are not allowed to participate in the competition.
* this stupidity leads to the fact that often people with 50-60 "unofficial" fights are listed for beginner tournaments.
2. 3rd Grade (junior/senior) - 5 wins during a year on any level competitions.
3. 2nd Grade (junior/senior) - 10 wins within a year with opponents of 3rd grade or higher.
4. 1st Grade (junior/senior) - 15 wins over 2nd grade or higher.
5. Master of sport candidate (15 y.o. min) - win the championship of the republic, territory, region.
6. Master of sport (17 y.o. min) - take 1st or 2nd place in the Russia Cup or similar level competition.
7. Master of sport international level - Take 1st to 5th place at the Olympic Games. Take a prize (1-3) at the World Cup. Take a prize (1-3) at the European Championship or World Cup. Take 1-2 places at the World Championship among military personnel or the World War Games. Win the world championship among juniors. Win the European Cup. Win the European Championship among juniors. Win an international tournament approved by AIBA, provided that the boxer this year won 1st or 2nd place in the Russian Championship.
8. Merrited master of sport - multiple times previous achievements.
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Very much like this.
 
AndyMaBobs, IIRC, you're a thaiboxing coach? Are you interested in some "russian-style" muay thai training videos? I practiced MT for about a year, and my former trainer has a good YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/KLETKAclub/videos. He often combines elements from soviet boxing training in his sessions.
Also, there is this channel of our ukrainian colleague https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLRemaacw2tyJYf4Ck97xNA. A lot of interesting material. If you need to translate any incomprehensible moments - do not be shy to contact.
 
Looks fun stuff.
Does this basinin uses bjj as base for grappling? Or sambo?
 
He is bjj enthusiast. BJJ is his second favourite, after MT.
 
Dexter said:
AndyMaBobs, IIRC, you're a thaiboxing coach? Are you interested in some "russian-style" muay thai training videos? I practiced MT for about a year, and my former trainer has a good YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/KLETKAclub/videos. He often combines elements from soviet boxing training in his sessions.
Also, there is this channel of our ukrainian colleague https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLRemaacw2tyJYf4Ck97xNA. A lot of interesting material. If you need to translate any incomprehensible moments - do not be shy to contact.
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That will be very helpful! Thank you.

I borrow from the russian boxing techniques and include them in my training and coaching (learned them from combat sambo)

I'll have a look and then I'll PM you if I get stuck!
 
This is what they get when they come here and everyone expects great things. Look at that comprehensive program Dexter posted, and think about going from that, to this:

 
Guys, one of our colleagues asked a question about the S&C programs of russian boxers. As I already mentioned, the Soviet trainers of the old school were very negative about heavy weights training, but later on a fairly popular monograph by a well-known specialist Khusainov “Developing KO punch in boxing” appeared. If you want, I can translate the most interesting points.
 
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