DC Believes Fedor Was 'Average At Best' In 2009

[Taric]

Love Fedor, but in 2009 he would've looked like Shogun did against Jones, and DC would've wrecked him as well.

Cormier in 2009 was fighting some dude you've never heard of on Strikeforce Challengers in his very first bout.

If Fedor was average in 2009, DC was below average.

 

[GOATtalks]

Kosaka was certainly considered one of the best in the world by the time he fought Fedor the first time.
You use him as an example because he is just a Japanese name for you in yet another prove that you don't know shit and spend time in an MMA forum instead of actually watching the sport, especially from back in the day
So please talk about Jones but restrain from talking about what you don't have a clue

Kosaka always had a 50/50 record and he was ranked only #14 in the world when he fought Fedor the first time and #12 when they fought the 2nd time. And he’s an impressive 5’11 tall 220 pound “heavyweight”. Lol. The fact he was ranked even that high, just shows how shitty was the division back then.

And do champions deserve praise for beating #12 guy in the world? Imagine Ngannou putting up a 3 win streak next, against guys like Tybura, Augusto Sakai and Oleynik. Nobody would give a shit! Somehow Fedor is considered a god for such an incredible achievements. His win streak only lasted so long because he had 3-4 cans between each credible opponent.

 

[kflo]

Cormier in 2009 was fighting some dude you've never heard of on Strikeforce Challengers in his very first bout.

If Fedor was average in 2009, DC was below average.

Pretty sure dc didn’t name himself as one of the tough matchups for fedor at that time. Of course, dc did ultimately win the hw tourney fedor was in….

 

[GOATtalks]

Cormier in 2009 was fighting some dude you've never heard of on Strikeforce Challengers in his very first bout.

If Fedor was average in 2009, DC was below average.

They fought Big Foot Silva back to back in 2011. DC clearly showed that there’s levels to this shit

 

[HaulParris]

Everyone who isn't currently fighting was never any good. Leave it at that.

And anyone they beat was a can

 

[GOATtalks]

Lol dude even today theres not going to be 10,000 active pro MMA fighters out there across all weight classes, never mind just HWs.

There’s definitely more than 10’000 active pro MMA fighters in the world right now. There is 1’000 pro LW’s in US alone.

That wasn’t the case back in 2009 though

 

[Taric]

Pretty sure dc didn’t name himself as one of the tough matchups for fedor at that time

k?
The guy I was responding to directly said Cormier would've defeated one of the elite HWs with literally zero fight experience... hence the response to him.

They fought Big Foot Silva back to back in 2011. DC clearly showed that there’s levels to this shit

Cool, that isn't 2009 where he literally had zero fight experience and training. DC had 8 fights going into the Bigfoot fight and more years of training. That isn't the same person.

Y'all live in this hilarious world where fighters/athletes keep the same skill level/athleticism throughout their entire careers. Cormier only knew Olympic wrestling at this time frame. He wasn't the fighter you watched in the UFC.

 

[Nightgunner05]

Conor was right DC must be drinking too much. Fedor is extremely overrated around here, but he was still championship material during that time.

 

[kflo]

k?
The guy I was responding to directly said Cormier would've defeated one of the elite HWs with literally zero fight experience... hence the response to him.

You’re right….

 

[MartinGibson86]

Its true.


His mythical armbar was failing against Mark Hunt and Brett Rogers.

 

[kflo]

Conor was right DC must be drinking too much. Fedor is extremely overrated around here, but he was still championship material during that time.

He also lost 3 straight in that time…..to guys who weren’t champions…..

 

[GOATtalks]

k?
The guy I was responding to directly said Cormier would've defeated one of the elite HWs with literally zero fight experience... hence the response to him.


Cool, that isn't 2009 where he literally had zero fight experience and training. DC had 8 fights going into the Bigfoot fight and more years of training. That isn't the same person.

Y'all live in this hilarious world where fighters/athletes keep the same skill level/athleticism throughout their entire careers. Cormier only knew Olympic wrestling at this time frame. He isn't the fighter you watched in the UFC.

Here’s and original quote from DC:

“Fedor Emelianenko in the UFC between 2009-11, average at best”

Even prime for prime, DC is on another level compared to Fedor.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Dude if Brock subbed Carwin, Fedor by armbar

Watch Fedor vs Hunt or Rogers and tell me he armbars Carwin lmao.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Looks like DC got a bit of a raise from DW to badmouth Fedor - especially after the recent negative rhetoric from Fedor in regards to UFC lol

I think you overestimate how relevant Fedor is.

 

[icemun]

Cormier in 2009 was fighting some dude you've never heard of on Strikeforce Challengers in his very first bout.

If Fedor was average in 2009, DC was below average.

Didnt Fedor get eliminated in the first round of the Strikeforce GP?

The same one that DC, won?

 

[DayV]

Kosaka always had a 50/50 record and he was ranked only #14 in the world when he fought Fedor the first time and #12 when they fought the 2nd time. And he’s an impressive 5’11 tall 220 pound “heavyweight”. Lol. The fact he was ranked even that high, just shows how shitty was the division back then.

And do champions deserve praise for beating #12 guy in the world? Imagine Ngannou putting up a 3 win streak next, against guys like Tybura, Augusto Sakai and Oleynik. Nobody would give a shit! Somehow Fedor is considered a god for such an incredible achievements. His win streak only lasted so long because he had 3-4 cans between each credible opponent.

Koshaka was former Top 5 fighter at the end of 90's, and a big name in MMA, man who significantly contrubuted to some elememts of its development. Why whould fighting him in 2000 be different from UFC upcoming stars fighting former big names like JDS, Cain, Arlovski, Overeem etc, and UFC fanboys hyping that kind of adding former big names on resume as big thing?

Fighters did not protect scores back then, and took all kinds of opponents, in different rules without months of preparation, different from nowadays modern consumeristic mentality of score protecting, fighting once per year and 15 times in life, and cherry picking opponents, whining about rankings.

Koshaka had very impressive career with many good wins, including win over Fedor, and draw vs Minotauro, wins vs Volk Han, Maurice Smith, Pete Williams, Gilbery Yvel, Ron Waterman, Mihail Ilyukin, Kimo Leopolodo, Morais, Sperry.

You are beeing a hypocrate, because you would include someone wha had few big wins in UFC as big win for some UFC champion.

Also Ngannou could as easily loose to some lesser name fighters if he would take more fights and fight more often.
It is not true that only absolutely top fighters can beat top fighters, you can as easily lose to lesser name at HW (Imagine JDS taking fight against unknown and unranked Ngannou in 2015-16 for example, or unknown JDS beating Werdum), escpecially when you fight often, do not have half a year to rest and prepaire and study opponents, and when you don't really want to be in fight, and other guy is motivated and has nothing to lose.
Modern UFC 15-20 fight in career standard, and fighting once per year could as easily be fake picture, and it does not mean that you are unbeatable if you fought only small amount of different opponents.

 

[Nightgunner05]

He also lost 3 straight in that time…..to guys who weren’t champions…..

He didn’t lose the first of those 3 fight until the summer of 2010. Look at the ufc rankings in 2009. Fedor would have at least been in the top 5 during that time, and possibly champion.

Even if you don’t believe that, DC saying he was average is idiotic at best.

 

[CinemaKingdom]

Wait, so 2009 Fedor can beat Brock Lesnar (who was the ufc HW champ at the time), but was average at best? So if average Fedor can beat the champ what does that say about the rest of the division?

DC has never been good with predictions. Remember when he told Jones he wasn't going to headkick him in the second fight? DC is a ufc shill and has been for a long time. Fedor never cried like a girl in the ring/cage either.

 

[GOATtalks]

Koshaka was former Top 5 fighter at the end of 90's, and a big name in MMA, man who significantly contrubuted to some elememts of its development. Why whould fighting him in 2000 be different from UFC upcoming stars fighting former big names like JDS, Cain, Arlovski, Overeem etc, and UFC fanboys hyping that kind of adding former big names on resume as big thing?

Fighters did not protect scores back then, and took all kinds of opponents, in different rules without months of preparation, different from nowadays modern consumeristic mentality of score protecting, fighting once per year and 15 times in life, and cherry picking opponents, whining about rankings.

Koshaka had very impressive career with many good wins, including win over Fedor, and draw vs Minotauro, wins vs Volk Han, Maurice Smith, Pete Williams, Gilbery Yvel, Ron Waterman, Mihail Ilyukin, Kimo Leopolodo, Morais, Sperry.

You are beeing a hypocrate, because you would include someone wha had few big wins in UFC as big win for some UFC champion.

Also Ngannou could as easily loose to some lesser name fighters if he would take more fights and fight more often.
It is not true that only absolutely top fighters can beat top fighters, you can as easily lose to lesser name at HW (Imagine JDS taking fight against unknown and unranked Ngannou in 2015-16 for example), escpecially when you fight often, do not have half a year to rest and prepaire and study opponents, and when you don't really want to be in fight, and other guy is motivated and has nothing to lose.
Modern UFC 15-20 fight in career standard, and fighting once per year could as easily be fake picture, and it does not mean that you are unbeatable if you fought only small amount of different opponents.

Ngannou dispatched 4 opponents, 2 of them former champions and the rest ranked in top10 in total of 2:32 time spent in the octagon. Do you really think he would have a problem with random top15-top20 guys? Also Ngannou fought every 3 months on average, until the pandemic.

Number of fights of current UFC champs:

Ngannou 19 fights
Jan 36
Izzy 22 ( +80 kickboxing fights)
Usman 20 (+2 TUF fights)
Oliviera 40
Volkanovski 24
Aljo 23
Moreno 26 (+1 TUF fight)

Even if all current champions would retire today, they would have an average of 26 pro fights.

Basically nothing you state is factually, therefore it is meaningless and irrelevant

 

[blaseblah]

Cormier in 2009 was fighting some dude you've never heard of on Strikeforce Challengers in his very first bout.

If Fedor was average in 2009, DC was below average.

Yeah DC was 1-0 in 2009. Way too green.