Crime Mass shooting in Russia at Crocus City Hall

Chad R. Thundercock said:
But the Russo-Ukrainian War was started by the Russians, not the Ukrainians. The Russians are the aggressors and the Ukrainians are the defenders.

You cannot fault Ukraine for fighting a defensive war; this is victim blaming.
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Bro I never said Ukraine started anything lmao calm down.
 
Rod1 said:
Funny how military spending became an issue when said military spending was used against Russia and not a moment before.


I take you are imbecilic enough to realize that there is no crowdfunding for Ukraine to get fighter jets or anti-air missiles?
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I was never for military spending either.

There isn't a single site to donate clothes, essentials or money for the people of Ukraine?
 

Putin says Islamic extremists raided concert hall but attack masterminds are yet to be found​


BY DASHA LITVINOVA
Updated 6:30 PM BRT, March 25, 2024

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday that the gunmen who killed 139 people at a suburban Moscow concert hall are “radical Islamists,” but he repeated his accusation that Ukraine could have played a role despite Kyiv’s strong denials.

Two days after the Islamic State’s Afghanistan affiliate claimed responsibility for Friday night’s attack at the music venue, Putin acknowledged during a meeting with government officials that the killings were carried out by extremists “whose ideology the Islamic world has been fighting for centuries.”

Putin, who declared over the weekend that the four attackers were arrested while trying to escape to Ukraine, said investigators haven’t determined who ordered the attack, but that it was necessary to find out “why the terrorists after committing their crime tried to flee to Ukraine and who was waiting for them there.”

The IS affiliate claimed it carried out the attack, and U.S. intelligence said it had information confirming the group was responsible. French President Emmanuel Macron said France has intelligence pointing to “an IS entity” as responsible for the attack.

Despite all signs pointing to IS, Putin continued to suggest Ukrainian involvement — a claim Ukraine roundly has roundly rejected, accusing Putin of trying to drum up fervor in his war efforts.

“We are seeing that the U.S., through various channels, is trying to convince its satellites and other countries of the world that, according to their intelligence, there is allegedly no Kyiv trace in the Moscow terror attack — that the bloody terrorist act was committed by followers of Islam, members of the Islamic State group,” Putin said during the meeting with top law enforcement officials.

He added that “those who support the Kyiv regime don’t want to be accomplices in terror and sponsors of terrorism, but many questions remain.”

The attack Friday night at the Crocus City Hall music venue on Moscow’s western outskirts left 139 people dead and more than 180 injured, proving to be the deadliest in Russia in years. About 100 people remained hospitalized, officials said.

Putin warned that more attacks could follow, alleging possible Western involvement. He didn’t mention the warning about a possible imminent terrorist attack that the U.S. confidentially shared with Moscow two weeks before the raid. Three days before the attack, Putin denounced the U.S. Embassy’s March 7 notice urging Americans to avoid crowds in Moscow, including concerts, calling it an attempt to frighten Russians and “blackmail” the Kremlin ahead of the presidential election.

The four suspected attackers, all Tajikistan nationals, were remanded by a Moscow court Sunday night with carrying out the attack and ordered to remain in custody pending the outcome of the official investigation.

Russian media reported that the four were tortured while being interrogated, and they showed signs during their court appearance of having been severely beaten. Russian officials said all four pleaded guilty to the charges, which carry life punishment, but their condition raised questions about whether their statements might have been coerced.

Russian authorities reported that seven other suspects have been detained, and three of them were remanded by the court Monday on charges of being involved in the attack.

As they mowed down concertgoers with gunfire, the attackers set fire to the vast concert hall, and the resulting blaze caused the roof to collapse.

The search operation will continue until at least Tuesday afternoon, officials said. A Russian Orthodox priest conducted a service at the site Monday, blessing a makeshift memorial with incense.

Russian officials and lawmakers have called for anyone involved in the attack to be severely punished. Some have called for the restoration of capital punishment, which has been outlawed since 1997.

During Sunday’s court hearing, three of the suspects showed signs of heavy bruising, including swollen faces. One of them was in a wheelchair in a hospital gown, accompanied by medical personnel, and sat with his eyes closed throughout. He appeared to have multiple cuts.

Another had a plastic bag still hanging over his neck and a third man had a heavily bandaged ear. Russian media reported Saturday that one suspect had his ear cut off during an interrogation. The Associated Press couldn’t verify the report or videos purporting to show this.

Dmitry Medvedev, who was Russia’s president from 2008-12 and now serves as deputy head of Security Council chaired by Putin, called for the killing of “everyone involved. Everyone. Those who paid, those who sympathized, those who helped. Kill them all.”

Margarita Simonyan, head of the state-funded television channel RT, argued that even the death penalty — currently banned in Russia — would be “too easy” a punishment.

Instead, she said they should face “lifelong hard labor somewhere underground, living there too, without the opportunity to ever see light, on bread and water, with a ban on conversations and with a not very humane escort.”

Russian human rights advocates condemned the violence against the men.

Team Against Torture, a prominent group that advocates against police brutality, said in a statement that the culprits must face stern punishment, but “savagery should not be the answer to savagery.”

t said the value of any testimony obtained by torture was “critically low,” and “if the government allows for torture of terrorism suspects, it may allow unlawful violence toward other citizens, too.”

Net Freedoms, another Russian group that focuses on freedom of speech cases, said Medvedev’s remarks, as well as Putin’s recent call on security services to “punish traitors without a statute of limitation no matter where they are,” made against the backdrop of “demonstrative torture of the detained ... effectively authorize extrajudicial killings and give instructions to security forces on how to treat enemies.”

“We’re seeing the possible beginning of the new Great Terror,” Net Freedoms said, referring to mass repressions by Soviet dictator Josef Stalin. The group foresees more police brutality against suspects in terrorist-related cases and a spike in violent crimes against migrants.

Abuse of suspects by law enforcement and security services isn’t new, said Sergei Davidis of the Memorial human rights group.

“We know about torture of Ukrainian prisoners of war, we know about mass torture of those charged with terrorism, high treason and other crimes, especially those investigated by the Federal Security Service. Here, it was for the first time made public,” Davidis said.

Parading beaten suspects could reflect a desire by authorities to show a muscular response to try to defuse any criticism of their inability to prevent the attack, he said.

The concert hall attack was a major embarrassment for Putin and came less than a week after he cemented his grip on Russia for another six years in a vote that followed the harshest crackdown on dissent since Soviet times.

Many on Russian social media questioned how authorities and their vast security apparatus that actively surveils, pressures and prosecutes critics failed to prevent the attack despite the U.S. warning.

Full read at:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-shooting-concert-hall-putin-dd92b2c185a65e1eab57a661382bd3ef
 
I'm shocked the four people responsible are still alive. I thought Russia authorities would have taken them out
 
badascan said:
If I'm not mistaken, one was fed his own ear and another had an eye popped out, they for sure wish they were dead...
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I'm not saying they won't be tortured. I'm just shocked they weren't killed on the spot after killing over 100 people.
 
I hope they have solid evidence and that these were the actual perps, and not just the first Arab looking fucks they could find.

And no, I don't mean confessions, after the torture, they would have confessed to spiking Jesus to the cross.
 
CatchnShoot said:
I hope they have solid evidence and that these were the actual perps, and not just the first Arab looking fucks they could find.

And no, I don't mean confessions, after the torture, they would have confessed to spiking Jesus to the cross.
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Pow confessions have been acceptable in these threads since the start.


Provided they give the information people want to hear.
 
LeonardoBjj said:

Putin says Islamic extremists raided concert hall but attack masterminds are yet to be found​


BY DASHA LITVINOVA
Updated 6:30 PM BRT, March 25, 2024

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday that the gunmen who killed 139 people at a suburban Moscow concert hall are “radical Islamists,” but he repeated his accusation that Ukraine could have played a role despite Kyiv’s strong denials.

Two days after the Islamic State’s Afghanistan affiliate claimed responsibility for Friday night’s attack at the music venue, Putin acknowledged during a meeting with government officials that the killings were carried out by extremists “whose ideology the Islamic world has been fighting for centuries.”

Putin, who declared over the weekend that the four attackers were arrested while trying to escape to Ukraine, said investigators haven’t determined who ordered the attack, but that it was necessary to find out “why the terrorists after committing their crime tried to flee to Ukraine and who was waiting for them there.”

The IS affiliate claimed it carried out the attack, and U.S. intelligence said it had information confirming the group was responsible. French President Emmanuel Macron said France has intelligence pointing to “an IS entity” as responsible for the attack.

Despite all signs pointing to IS, Putin continued to suggest Ukrainian involvement — a claim Ukraine roundly has roundly rejected, accusing Putin of trying to drum up fervor in his war efforts.

“We are seeing that the U.S., through various channels, is trying to convince its satellites and other countries of the world that, according to their intelligence, there is allegedly no Kyiv trace in the Moscow terror attack — that the bloody terrorist act was committed by followers of Islam, members of the Islamic State group,” Putin said during the meeting with top law enforcement officials.

He added that “those who support the Kyiv regime don’t want to be accomplices in terror and sponsors of terrorism, but many questions remain.”

The attack Friday night at the Crocus City Hall music venue on Moscow’s western outskirts left 139 people dead and more than 180 injured, proving to be the deadliest in Russia in years. About 100 people remained hospitalized, officials said.

Putin warned that more attacks could follow, alleging possible Western involvement. He didn’t mention the warning about a possible imminent terrorist attack that the U.S. confidentially shared with Moscow two weeks before the raid. Three days before the attack, Putin denounced the U.S. Embassy’s March 7 notice urging Americans to avoid crowds in Moscow, including concerts, calling it an attempt to frighten Russians and “blackmail” the Kremlin ahead of the presidential election.

The four suspected attackers, all Tajikistan nationals, were remanded by a Moscow court Sunday night with carrying out the attack and ordered to remain in custody pending the outcome of the official investigation.

Russian media reported that the four were tortured while being interrogated, and they showed signs during their court appearance of having been severely beaten. Russian officials said all four pleaded guilty to the charges, which carry life punishment, but their condition raised questions about whether their statements might have been coerced.

Russian authorities reported that seven other suspects have been detained, and three of them were remanded by the court Monday on charges of being involved in the attack.

As they mowed down concertgoers with gunfire, the attackers set fire to the vast concert hall, and the resulting blaze caused the roof to collapse.

The search operation will continue until at least Tuesday afternoon, officials said. A Russian Orthodox priest conducted a service at the site Monday, blessing a makeshift memorial with incense.

Russian officials and lawmakers have called for anyone involved in the attack to be severely punished. Some have called for the restoration of capital punishment, which has been outlawed since 1997.

During Sunday’s court hearing, three of the suspects showed signs of heavy bruising, including swollen faces. One of them was in a wheelchair in a hospital gown, accompanied by medical personnel, and sat with his eyes closed throughout. He appeared to have multiple cuts.

Another had a plastic bag still hanging over his neck and a third man had a heavily bandaged ear. Russian media reported Saturday that one suspect had his ear cut off during an interrogation. The Associated Press couldn’t verify the report or videos purporting to show this.

Dmitry Medvedev, who was Russia’s president from 2008-12 and now serves as deputy head of Security Council chaired by Putin, called for the killing of “everyone involved. Everyone. Those who paid, those who sympathized, those who helped. Kill them all.”

Margarita Simonyan, head of the state-funded television channel RT, argued that even the death penalty — currently banned in Russia — would be “too easy” a punishment.

Instead, she said they should face “lifelong hard labor somewhere underground, living there too, without the opportunity to ever see light, on bread and water, with a ban on conversations and with a not very humane escort.”

Russian human rights advocates condemned the violence against the men.

Team Against Torture, a prominent group that advocates against police brutality, said in a statement that the culprits must face stern punishment, but “savagery should not be the answer to savagery.”

t said the value of any testimony obtained by torture was “critically low,” and “if the government allows for torture of terrorism suspects, it may allow unlawful violence toward other citizens, too.”

Net Freedoms, another Russian group that focuses on freedom of speech cases, said Medvedev’s remarks, as well as Putin’s recent call on security services to “punish traitors without a statute of limitation no matter where they are,” made against the backdrop of “demonstrative torture of the detained ... effectively authorize extrajudicial killings and give instructions to security forces on how to treat enemies.”

“We’re seeing the possible beginning of the new Great Terror,” Net Freedoms said, referring to mass repressions by Soviet dictator Josef Stalin. The group foresees more police brutality against suspects in terrorist-related cases and a spike in violent crimes against migrants.

Abuse of suspects by law enforcement and security services isn’t new, said Sergei Davidis of the Memorial human rights group.

“We know about torture of Ukrainian prisoners of war, we know about mass torture of those charged with terrorism, high treason and other crimes, especially those investigated by the Federal Security Service. Here, it was for the first time made public,” Davidis said.

Parading beaten suspects could reflect a desire by authorities to show a muscular response to try to defuse any criticism of their inability to prevent the attack, he said.

The concert hall attack was a major embarrassment for Putin and came less than a week after he cemented his grip on Russia for another six years in a vote that followed the harshest crackdown on dissent since Soviet times.

Many on Russian social media questioned how authorities and their vast security apparatus that actively surveils, pressures and prosecutes critics failed to prevent the attack despite the U.S. warning.

Full read at:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-shooting-concert-hall-putin-dd92b2c185a65e1eab57a661382bd3ef
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CatchnShoot said:
I hope they have solid evidence and that these were the actual perps, and not just the first Arab looking fucks they could find.

And no, I don't mean confessions, after the torture, they would have confessed to spiking Jesus to the cross.
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They were literally wearing the same clothes when caught as they were when they conducted the massacre that was videotaped.

You can rest easy it's not innocent folks getting tortured here. I'm still against it, but that's besides the point.
 
I've been struggling with the Crocus city hall.

Reminded me of the band Krokus and their hit Long Stick Goes Boom. I figured that was a euphemism for someone blowing their load. Their sound is so exactly like ACDC it's incredible.

 
Jeffy37 said:
I'm not saying they won't be tortured. I'm just shocked they weren't killed on the spot after killing over 100 people.
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They wouldn't want to kill those guys until they spill the beans. After that, they'll be locked up in some hellhole prison where one day they'll just drop dead and nobody will ever mention them again.

At first I figured that Putin will use these guys to bring back the death penalty, and harsher punishments overall, but now I feel like he doesn't want to play it that way. He probably prefers that these guys just fade away from memory. The whole thing is kind of embarrassing for him and there's no real angle for him to work with, as it's become clear that it was just another generic terror group that staged the attack. Getting into a beef with the jihadists isn't something that he wants on his plate right now.
 
TheGreatA said:
They wouldn't want to kill those guys until they spill the beans. After that, they'll be locked up in some hellhole prison where one day they'll just drop dead and nobody will ever mention them again.

At first I figured that Putin will use these guys to bring back the death penalty, and harsher punishments overall, but now I feel like he doesn't want to play it that way. He probably prefers that these guys just fade away from memory. The whole thing is kind of embarrassing for him and there's no real angle for him to work with, as it's become clear that it was just another generic terror group that staged the attack. Getting into a beef with the jihadists isn't something that he wants on his plate right now.
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They're not gonna know shit, they're wasting their time if they think interrogation will get them any information.

Other than where they were trained etc etc etc, of course, which will be useful information but nothing Putin will want to present to the public as it doesn't suit his requirements for who to blame.
 
the guy who cut the ear off the suspect has nazi symbols on his arm... lol what a joke of a country.

and he sold the knife for around 100k usd
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