International [NATO News] What Sweden brings to NATO as its Newest Member

So in one object in Lithuania panel looked like : panel with " locks " for 3 keys....and 2 tools to enter code....
To arm up and start launch ....
Ofc before this prep period irl 1-3 hours was necessity.
After this....
external sign short before this....silo opened....
West didn't even knew where these 3 silos had been located...
Until due to....expenses to do maintenance they had been " on paper disabled ".
 
Moment of truth..Let's see how much Finland wants to join..


A lot of them are probably are also Finnish citizens

So if Finland does this they are so cucked. Also the US man is breaking up in 2024/2025. No US means no more NATO

Finland is doomed as well. May Muslims and black men bring justice and havoc
 
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So in one object in Lithuania panel looked like : panel with " locks " for 3 keys....and 2 tools to enter code....
To arm up and start launch ....
Ofc before this prep period irl 1-3 hours was necessity.
After this....
external sign short before this....silo opened....
West didn't even knew where these 3 silos had been located...
Until due to....expenses to do maintenance they had been " on paper disabled ".

Turkey has F35s and S400 now huh? Wow

F35s are elite 5th generation aircraft that no other country has mimiced. And S400 is elite anti aircraft and short to medium range ballistic missile that nobody has replicated.

Russua has S500 and Turkey wants to buy that. If I was Russia though I wouldnt sell S500 to anyone
 
Turkey has F35s and S400 now huh? Wow

F35s are elite 5th generation aircraft that no other country has mimiced. And S400 is elite anti aircraft and short to medium range ballistic missile that nobody has replicated.

Russua has S500 and Turkey wants to buy that. If I was Russia though I wouldnt sell S500 to anyone
F-35 now already does have generations if to talk about equippment..
F-22 imho is above this ...

With stuff like Thocka -U ....even C-300 sometimes might deal with.
It depends what kind of radars and missiles C-300 does have etc.
The same with Patriot.
 
Turkey has F35s and S400 now huh? Wow

F35s are elite 5th generation aircraft that no other country has mimiced. And S400 is elite anti aircraft and short to medium range ballistic missile that nobody has replicated.

Russua has S500 and Turkey wants to buy that. If I was Russia though I wouldnt sell S500 to anyone
The chinese have all the blueprints and j31 is basically an f35. But F22 is still the best in the world. That why we dont export it.

We dont give our best stuff away even to allies because you never know... Like Turkey might need some attitude adjustment someday... Can't do that F22 on F22 so easy. But one F22 can take out 6-7 F35s in testing..
 
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Now the two countries have agreed to some of Turkey's demands, and militants will face a crackdown under amendments to Swedish and Finnish law.

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I haven't exactly been following the negotiations closely, but just judging from the listed "accessions", it doesn't really look like Turkey got anything at all. At least nothing it wasn't already due.

Lifting of certain arms embargoes? Again, not an expert. But my conception is sharing military tech and equipment with your allies comes with the territory when you're a member of NATO. So we'd have to change our stance on military exports to Turkey anyway. Now, far as I know the "embargo" was never a hard line that actually prevented Swedish arms companies from exporting to Turkey. It was more like a soft line, where the department responsible for approving export deals tended to generally disapprove exports of actual weapons (i.e things that go boom) on a case-by-case basis, because of current humanitarian concerns about Turkey. Export of actual weapons tended to not get requested anyway, since other nations can make them better and cheaper than Sweden. What Turkey wanted -and probably still wants- from us is other components like radar equipment et cetera. And it had a solid chance of having those exports approved even before this "deal".

Supporting Turkey against PKK? We did that already. Stopping support to YPG? We never really supported them in any way, unless you apply Erdogan logic that says sending humanitarian aid to Syria automatically means funding separatist militias operating in those regions. And consequently that Sweden should stop sending food, tents and kindergarten teachers to one of the worst warzones on Earth - which won't happen whatever this "deal" says.
Expressing support is another matter. I'm sure Swedish politicians do that all the time. And I'm sure they will continue to do so regardless of what this "deal" says. Turkey can't stop Swedish goofball politicians from going on twitter to express support for militia groups halfway across the world.
As far as actual support goes, it sounds like Sweden has had trouble even getting a straight answer about what kind of support Erdogan is referring to. So the Swedish attitude seems to have been "ok, we don't really know what you want us to do differently re terror groups that we aren't already doing, but I guess we can agree to not do it anymore, whatever it is".

Extraditing terror suspects? I'm sure processing extradition requests from Turkey will take priority over the next couple of years. I'm also sure the final verdicts in those processes will not change because of this "deal". If Sweden judges an extradition to be unwarranted or otherwise problematic, it won't approve it. From our perspective, all it really means is we'll get rid of marginally more kurd terrorists who shouldn't be here in the first place, and maybe reject a few more applications for permanent residence. And again, NATO membership means we'd have to start doing this anyway.


All in all, it looks like all Sweden has agreed to is to be a little bit more attentive to Turkey for the foreseeable future. By foreseeable, I mean until our membership application has been formally approved and the integration process finished. If Turkey finds something to complain about once Sweden is an active NATO member, what's it going to do? It can block an application, but it can't throw anyone out once they're already in.
This is just a big nothingburger with humus on it.


https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/...rgo-mot-turkiet-men-inga-tillstand-sedan-2019
https://www.dn.se/sverige/sverige-avvisar-turkiets-anklagelse-om-finansiering-till-pkk/
https://www.regeringen.se/4a552b/co...4b181caaa2fc3e2/strategi-for-syrienkrisen.pdf
https://www.gp.se/nyheter/världen/turkiet-kräver-utlämning-av-33-personer-1.75881644
 
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The chinese have all the blueprints and j31 is basically an f35. But F22 is still the best in the world. That why we dont export it.

We dont give our best stuff away even to allies because you never know... Like Turkey might need some attitude adjustment someday... Can't do that F35 on F35 so easy.

Serious how do you think they got it? Also what you think trump shared with rus?
 
The chinese have all the blueprints and j31 is basically an f35. But F22 is still the best in the world. That why we dont export it.

We dont give our best stuff away even to allies because you never know... Like Turkey might need some attitude adjustment someday...

Therefore I think for Finland and Poland F-35 is just empty waste of money and time.
Isreel uses their own electronic ( partially ) for F-35 and IMHO for a reason.

Normal ppl doesn't have problems to get that all these F-35 purchase programms form US is just...cos weapons seller needs money and will have intent to protect paying customers.
It is like with chinesse mainstream crap and....way how soviets exported their tanks ....from old modifications of export versions...
 
A lot of them are probably are also Finnish citizens

So if Finland does this they are so cucked. Also the US man is breaking up in 2024/2025. No US means no more NATO

Finland is doomed as well. May Muslims and black men bring justice and havoc
Another idiot...

Piss off or relocate to Donbas today.
About our soon death and being parasites we had mantra since 1914 th...
With xxx millions of BRIC dreamers to see our death, take our flats, apartments, land and so on....

Dream...
ppl like you had dreamed more than 110 years in row...
In order to be succesful ruling occupants - parasites...
Didn't happened.
 
Another idiot...

Piss off or relocate to Donbas today.
About our soon death and being parasites we had mantra since 1914 th...
With xxx millions of BRIC dreamers to see our death, take our flats, apartments, land and so on....

Dream...
ppl like you had dreamed more than 110 years in row...
In order to be succesful ruling occupants - parasites...
Didn't happened.

Huh??
 
Moment of truth..Let's see how much Finland wants to join..

Lol, nothing has changed in concrete terms. Erdogan got some paper that has vague face saving value domestically. Otherwise he got nada unless US actually changes it's policies regarding selling F-16.
 
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I get the feeling that this isn't over yet. Despite promises made in negotiations, our government is definitely not going to comply with Turkey's demands. When Turkey realizes this, they might throw another fit.

It's possible that it's enough for Erdogan to just look strong before elections, to the Turkish population, and that he doesn't actually care if Finland/Sweden comply with the demands or not. That's what our politicians seem to depend on.
 
I get the feeling that this isn't over yet. Despite promises made in negotiations, our government is definitely not going to comply with Turkey's demands. When Turkey realizes this, they might throw another fit.
I think they know the deal. They played their hand and possibly got some F-16's for their trouble.
 
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Niinistö said right away yesterday that the paper changes nothing. No changes in Finnish legislation. No changes in policy regarding extraditions or weapons exports. It's all rhetorics.
 
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Best real change today for NATO was that Russia most likely will have changed status in NATO conception....
It might look laughable and just look like empty talks...

30 years NATO had listed Russia as.....partner country....in their planning.
Despite all shit done by Russia ..
Today?
France and Germany were helpless to prevent their friend country Russia placed in list to determine as .....threat for NATO countries. ..
 
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The Russian Federation is the most significant and direct threat to Allies security and to peace and stability in the Euro Atlantic area.
Terrorism in all it s forms and manifestations continues to pose a direct threat to the security of our ( NATO member's countries ) populations...
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Our news say this was all about F-16 thing with usa really
 
NATO formally invites Finland and Sweden to join alliance
By Kevin Liptak, Niamh Kennedy and Sharon Braithwaite, CNN | June 29, 2022​



NATO formalized its invitation to Sweden and Finland to join its alliance Wednesday, a historic expansion of the defense bloc that directly undercuts Russian President Vladimir Putin's aims as his war in Ukraine grinds ahead.

The group collectively decided to approve countries' applications to join after Turkey dropped its objections Tuesday, paving the way for NATO's most consequential enlargement in decades.

"The accession of Finland and Sweden will make them safer, NATO stronger, and the Euro-Atlantic area more secure. The security of Finland and Sweden is of direct importance to the Alliance, including during the accession process," the statement said.

The decision will now go to the 30 member states' parliaments and legislatures for final ratification. NATO's leaders said they expected the process to move quickly, allowing for an unprecedentedly swift accession and a show of unity against Putin.

The leaders entered Wednesday's talks propelled by a diplomatic victory after Turkey dropped its objections to the two nations joining NATO, setting the stage for the two longtime neutral countries to enter the defensive bloc. NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg called the formal invitation from the alliance to Sweden and Finland to join the defense bloc a "historic decision."

"The agreement concluded last night by Turkey, Finland and Sweden paved the way for this decision," the secretary general said in a news conference.

He recounted how two rounds of talks were held by senior officials in Brussels under his auspices in the advance of Monday's consequential meeting between Finnish President Sauli Niinistö, Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Turkey agreed on Tuesday to drop its objections to their membership bids, removing a major hurdle to them joining NATO.

The expansion vote, paired with substantial new commitments bolstering NATO's force posture in Europe, combined to make this week's summit in Madrid one of the most productive in recent memory. The alliance endorsed a new "Strategic Concept" document that outlines the NATO's goals for the next decade. The document, last updated in 2010, lays out the security challenges facing the defensive alliance while outlining a course of actions.

For the first time, the document outlined the China "challenge," saying that the country's "ambitions and coercive policies challenge our interests, security and values." This was the first time the Strategic Concept document mentioned China; the 2010 version made no mention of Beijing. It also states that climate change is "a defining challenge of our time."

The document identifies Russia as the "most significant and direct threat to allies' security and to peace and stability in the Euro-Atlantic area" and addresses NATO's support for an independent Ukraine. In the 2010 version of the document, Russia was referred to as a "Euro-Atlantic partner."

The outcome is exactly what Putin was hoping to fend off when he invaded Ukraine more than four months ago.

"I said Putin's looking for the Finlandization of Europe. He's going to get the NATOization of Europe. And that is exactly what he didn't want, but exactly what needs to be done to guarantee security for Europe. And I think it's necessary," US President Joe Biden said when he arrived at the summit site in Madrid.

Biden announces strengthening of NATO forces

Biden and fellow NATO leaders assembled in the Spanish capital to unveil a significant strengthening of forces along the alliance's eastern flank as Russia's war in Ukraine shows no signs of slowing.
Speaking alongside Stoltenberg, Biden listed new troop movements, equipment shipments and military installations meant to demonstrate the importance of security in the face of Moscow's aggression.

"The United States and our allies, we are going to step up -- we are stepping up. We're proving that NATO is more needed now than it ever has been and is as important as it ever has been," Biden said.

He said the US would establish a permanent headquarters for the Fifth Army Corps in Poland, maintain an extra rotational brigade of 3,000 troops in Romania, enhance rotational deployments to the Baltic states, send two more F-35 fighter jet squadrons to the United Kingdom and station additional air defense and other capabilities in Germany and Italy.

"Together with our allies, we are going to make sure that NATO is ready to meet threats from all directions -- across every domain, land, air and the sea," Biden said.
The United States did not convey to Russia its plans to bolster its force posture in Europe ahead of time.

"There has been no communication with Moscow about these changes nor is there a requirement to do that," John Kirby, the NSC coordinator for strategic communications, said after Biden announced the series of measures.

A second official told reporters the announcements did not violate any agreements between Russia and NATO, which stipulate parameters for positioning troops in Europe.

"The decision to permanently forward station the Five Corps headquarters forward command post does not, you know, is consistent with that commitment and our understanding of the NATO Russia founding act," said Celeste Wallander, United States assistant secretary of defense for international affairs.

Zelensky asks what Ukraine has to do to join NATO

Yet even if Putin's aims have backfired and the conflict grinds on, momentum is favoring Russia at the moment. That has left Biden and fellow western leaders this week searching for ways to alter the trajectory of the war.

Despite enthusiasm at the summit for NATO's two newest members, another leader -- Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky -- voiced frustration that his country's NATO ambitions have been ignored, despite coming under siege by Russia.

Addressing the NATO summit in Madrid virtually, Zelensky asked rhetorically, "Has Ukraine not paid enough" to join the alliance and review its open door policy.
"Is our contribution to the defense of both Europe and the whole civilization still insufficient?" he asked. "What else is needed then?"

Ukraine has sought unsuccessfully to join NATO for years, hampered by concerns over provoking Russia and other issues related to its governance practices.

Speaking after Zelensky's address, Stoltenberg said the alliance welcomed the speech.

"Ukraine can count on us for as long as it takes," Stoltenberg stressed to journalists. He commended Zelensky's "leadership and courage" and called the Ukrainian leader "an inspiration to us all."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/29/politics/joe-biden-nato-day-2/index.html
 
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