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[ericPorkChop]

Mine were definitely more like your gloves on the right, but I don't remember the black outline on the numbers (my pair was black - I can check this weekend).

Saying that Winning are not good gloves because you had some bad email from their service is a little exigerate

It was definitely hyperbole in response to being accused of preferring socialism.
See, price gouging may be in unregulated capitalism, but regulated capitalism is the only thing that works so far.
And Winning distributors are definitely price gouging.
This is the winning price in Japan (from this year's Winning catalog on the official Japanese page):

Japanese exchange rate is 150Y to the dollar.
Means these gloves should be under $300, but these distributors are having insane markup.

While it might be hyperbole, there is some truth to what I said.
For me, they're not good gloves. I'm not just balking at the price or the wait times.
I don't like the fit, I don't like the leather, I don't like the wrist support, and I just don't like how they perform.
They were absolutely terrible on the bags I used.

Kept them around for years as sparring gloves, but that was just trying to get money out of an expensive purchase more than actually liking the product.
Tried to use them for anything but sparring many times over those years, but they underperformed for me.
This entire issue I'm on about is because I was trying to see if maybe my last pair were defective, because I couldn't get over how overrated they are.
I sold those gloves and the guy I sold them to doesn't even use them or like them (he bought them from me when his winning 14s split the length of the cuff).
There's always so much peer pressure from people to get them, especially for me being from Japan, so I decided to give it another shot.
While trying to give them another chance, I run into this situation.

For me, definitely not worth the hassle, definitely not worth the inflated price, definitely not worth the long wait, and definitely not worth the rudeness.
Customer choice very much IS capitalism.
I can get a better glove experience that suits me better from other brands without all the nonsense.
I'm not buying into the peer pressure anymore. I don't have to like them. I'm not going to be clowned for pointing out that the gloves I bought from them underperformed.

 

[r7n]

It was just a joke about socialism, since apparently lot of people in USA seems to discover it and think it could be a good solution right now.

Anyway about the Winning it's surprising that you hate them that much. I hurt my hands and my wrist in the past, and Winning do the best job at making it possible for me to continue boxing. But I would prefer having some Rival or other better design brands. Sometime I hit the bag with lighter and more dense gloves because the sensation are better, but my knuckles are hurting very fast. For sparring I really like Winning, and overall they perform well. Again not the best in all categories, but the best at doing everything right. I got my old pair for 250€ years ago, and it was a good price since they last so long. This time I had to pay 400€ for them, well it's a bit painful, but if they last me 6/8years, I guess it's still worth it.

 

[ericPorkChop]

My suspicion for my old pair was that the inner most layer of memory foam wasn't positioned correctly. The longer the workouts went, the more hand pain I felt. The wrist support was supbar compared to what I'm used to and the thumb position was not comfortable. Again, I was willing to spend money to update that opinion, but I'm kind of done with giving them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[r7n]

Something I always wonder about the wrist support: how it supposed to work?
For me the wrist support come from handwraps. Inside your glove, your wrist is not under the velcro or the laces, it is above those. All those stupid youtube's videos when they talk about wrist support closing the velcro on their forearm... It's like really? Are you that stupid? Winning are well balanced gloves and that what you can do about it. The Rival RS11V with the "wrist technology angle" is a joke. The only thing you can have for your wrist is a lot of padding behind and in front of the gloves where your wrist and your forearm are for stabilisation. But personally, I prefer to add a short handwrap to secure the wrist if I need to on top of the normal handwrap, and having the room inside the glove to do so.
And if the glove is not well balanced or well shape, you can damage your wrist.

 

[ericPorkChop]

Something I always wonder about the wrist support: how it supposed to work?

I'm more likely to roll my wrist than to hurt my knuckles, regardless of the padding type.
Too much wrist flexion in a glove is a big no-no for me.
I wouldn't say lace up Winnings are the worst at this or necessarily bad, just not as good as I prefer.
I don't think any case for wrist support can be made for velcro Winnings (reason below).
A snug Grant or Casanova glove can be really eye opening for how much wrist support they provide.

Inside your glove, your wrist is not under the velcro or the laces, it is above those.

With lace ups, this isn't the case for me. The top lace usually comes up to mid-palm for me, so the laces definitely cover the length of my wrist. But the padding of the glove & the structure it provides are still real important.

With velcro gloves it's different, I agree with you there: it's more about the stiffness of the glove around the base of the palm to the top of the wrist strap. The wrist strap on velcro is more about securing the glove tightly so it doesn't shift (at least for me). With velcro, the padding on the palm side of the glove provides more of that structure - so without that padding, the wrist support is almost nonexistent.

And if the glove is not well balanced or well shape, you can damage your wrist.

I agree with this too. I have much better ability to make contact with my knuckles in certain gloves vs others. IMF gloves and Everlast are probably the 2 worst gloves for me to be able to land properly with my knuckles.

For what it's worth, I don't like Rivals either.
I wrap very much a "puncher's wrap" - not a ton of wrap over the knuckles, almost all of it goes to supporting my wrists - running back and forth from wrist to knuckles.
I never have the kind of room in 16oz gloves anymore to double wrap.

 

[ericPorkChop]

New toys.
Can't wait to use them.
If I had to compare them to anything, it would be Grants, but more snug and better padding (than their old latex).

 

[drbolony]

New toys.
Can't wait to use them.
If I had to compare them to anything, it would be Grants, but more snug and better padding (than their old latex).

It's a sleeker New Sporting

I'm more likely to roll my wrist than to hurt my knuckles, regardless of the padding type.
Too much wrist flexion in a glove is a big no-no for me.
I wouldn't say lace up Winnings are the worst at this or necessarily bad, just not as good as I prefer.
I don't think any case for wrist support can be made for velcro Winnings (reason below).
A snug Grant or Casanova glove can be really eye opening for how much wrist support they provide.


With lace ups, this isn't the case for me. The top lace usually comes up to mid-palm for me, so the laces definitely cover the length of my wrist. But the padding of the glove & the structure it provides are still real important.

With velcro gloves it's different, I agree with you there: it's more about the stiffness of the glove around the base of the palm to the top of the wrist strap. The wrist strap on velcro is more about securing the glove tightly so it doesn't shift (at least for me). With velcro, the padding on the palm side of the glove provides more of that structure - so without that padding, the wrist support is almost nonexistent.


I agree with this too. I have much better ability to make contact with my knuckles in certain gloves vs others. IMF gloves and Everlast are probably the 2 worst gloves for me to be able to land properly with my knuckles.

For what it's worth, I don't like Rivals either.
I wrap very much a "puncher's wrap" - not a ton of wrap over the knuckles, almost all of it goes to supporting my wrists - running back and forth from wrist to knuckles.
I never have the kind of room in 16oz gloves anymore to double wrap.

Which Rivals have you tried brother? It's not their most expensive gloves, but the RS1 is a masterpiece. The Intellishock Guerrero's are nice too. RB50 are nice too, just not the ergo strap. I want to try the Guerrero Sparring glove next, in the H line, I forgot the other letters. HDE? HDF?

I like the ergo ice of Rival and the amazing wrist support of the RS1. I have the 18 oz, obviously extremely well padded and I can still feel knuckle connection in every punch from the excellent hand positioning.

 

[ericPorkChop]

It's a sleeker New Sporting

For real. My New Sporting 16oz hybrids weighed 20oz each. These are very close to 16. 2nd workout in the books with these and they make me feel dangerous.

Which Rivals have you tried brother? It's not their most expensive gloves, but the RS1 is a masterpiece. The Intellishock Guerrero's are nice too. RB50 are nice too, just not the ergo strap. I want to try the Guerrero Sparring glove next, in the H line, I forgot the other letters. HDE? HDF?

I definitely owe Rival another shot. Only pair I have from them are RB20 Elite Bag gloves with the Ergo Strap that I got on fire sale clearance a while back. Even my friends who like Rival say my pair are some of the worst gloves they've ever tried. lol

 

[ericPorkChop]

Not sure how I feel about these. I only played with them for a little bit. Not a review, but some random thoughts: The only thing aspect of these that reminds me of Winning is the shape. The leather, liner, and materials feels a bit like standard Title gloves. The striking surface, a bit like Winning, seems to focus on my foreknuckes rather than my big knuckles, and this might be why i'm not thrilled with the wrist protection with either of them (because I practically have to roll my own wrist to strike properly). Will probably hold onto them as sparring gloves. I wanna get more input from local friends who are more familiar with Winning16s to get a better idea of the differences.

 

[drbolony]

For real. My New Sporting 16oz hybrids weighed 20oz each. These are very close to 16. 2nd workout in the books with these and they make me feel dangerous.

I definitely owe Rival another shot. Only pair I have from them are RB20 Elite Bag gloves with the Ergo Strap that I got on fire sale clearance a while back. Even my friends who like Rival say my pair are some of the worst gloves they've ever tried. lol

It's literally New Sporting brother, they make them. The earlier models had the logo on the inside of the glove, I'll see if I can find a pic for you.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with New Sporting back in the day, I'm guessing 2019-2021? They've since improved along with other Mexican brands. Many of them are close to weight (Boxeo TM, New Sporting, Angeles, Classics). Lately I've been encouraging people to communicate with the workshops directly using whatsapp and Google translate. Their numbers can be found on their socials, I'd be happy to provide the ones I have. Mexican made gloves are still under the $200 price point for the very best in the world.

Lol dang, that's going to hurt my credibility (the Rival stuff). Well I never used that particular model, but I do love the ergo strap on my Rival Guerrero Intellishock. It just kind of makes my OCD run wild because in order for me to get my wrist locked in like a pair of lace ups, I have to sinch the strap in a manner that doesn't cover all of the bottom velcro, so it looks uneven. That said, performance isn't affected at all. The only models I can personally vouch for are anything Guerrero, the RS1 (stay away from the Rs100), RB50, and RB5. In my experience, the Rs1 particularly has amazing hand ergonomics. A little bulky, but the hand positioning is so perfect I feel knuckle connection even in 18's

 

[ericPorkChop]

It's literally New Sporting brother, they make them. The earlier models had the logo on the inside of the glove, I'll see if I can find a pic for you.

I just asked Edgar about this and he told me he's used different manufacturers at different times. He also said he provides the designs and the materials for the craftsmen to use - so even if it's a New Sporting craftsman, it's not a rebadged New Sporting glove.

The inside of my cuff looks fairly different to your picture. Lot more excess leather past the stitching on your picture - just like my old New Sportings. The thumbs on mine are different than your picture - thicker, more like old Grant.

I would be absolutely shocked if my Bayonetas were the same factory (materials, design, etc) as my old New Sportings. The leather is completely different, the fit is nothing alike, and the thumb placement is different. My hands would be cramping at the end of every session with New Sportings because I had to squeeze real hard to just to make a fist. Lot easier to make a fist, these Bayonetas feel almost exactly like my old Grant Ultimate Bag gloves.

New Sporting leather after less than 10 workouts - labels gone, paint flaking off striking surface, paint peeling off of the thumbs:

This pic shows a bunch of stuff - the 19.8oz weight, the leather already peeling off of the thumbs, vent holes in the thumbs (that don't exist on the Bayonetas), thumb's a different shape but kind of hard to make out, thumb seam way cleaner on the Bayonetas, the pocket of the glove rests open where as the Bayonetas are more closed.

Side note, I hadn't used these in a year, so I am not sure why I thought they were hybrids. Makes their weight even that more ridiculous. But it probably explains the completely different stitching patterns.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with New Sporting back in the day, I'm guessing 2019-2021?

No, Spring 2022.

Lol dang, that's going to hurt my credibility (the Rival stuff). Well I never used that particular model, but I do love the ergo strap on my Rival Guerrero Intellishock. It just kind of makes my OCD run wild because in order for me to get my wrist locked in like a pair of lace ups, I have to sinch the strap in a manner that doesn't cover all of the bottom velcro, so it looks uneven. That said, performance isn't affected at all. The only models I can personally vouch for are anything Guerrero, the RS1 (stay away from the Rs100), RB50, and RB5. In my experience, the Rs1 particularly has amazing hand ergonomics. A little bulky, but the hand positioning is so perfect I feel knuckle connection even in 18's

That model was discontinued for a reason imho. Appreciate the Rival model info, i'll definitely use it as a guide for when I get my next Rivals.

I just ordered some new BoxeoTMs (lace only this time) and just picked up some RS1s after your advice.

 

[ericPorkChop]

Got some new BoxeoTMs. Juan is really cooking. I don't think these are actually PULAT, but the padding feels great and should be good for sparring when they are broken in. Tiny bit wider than I'd prefer, but not an issue - the other plusses more than make up for it and man are they beautiful.

 

[ko11b]

Except for the belt all the gear is from Walmart Venom wraps, Venom gloves heavybag and driworks shorts

 

[drbolony]

I just asked Edgar about this and he told me he's used different manufacturers at different times. He also said he provides the designs and the materials for the craftsmen to use - so even if it's a New Sporting craftsman, it's not a rebadged New Sporting glove.

The inside of my cuff looks fairly different to your picture. Lot more excess leather past the stitching on your picture - just like my old New Sportings. The thumbs on mine are different than your picture - thicker, more like old Grant.

I would be absolutely shocked if my Bayonetas were the same factory (materials, design, etc) as my old New Sportings. The leather is completely different, the fit is nothing alike, and the thumb placement is different. My hands would be cramping at the end of every session with New Sportings because I had to squeeze real hard to just to make a fist. Lot easier to make a fist, these Bayonetas feel almost exactly like my old Grant Ultimate Bag gloves.

New Sporting leather after less than 10 workouts - labels gone, paint flaking off striking surface, paint peeling off of the thumbs:

This pic shows a bunch of stuff - the 19.8oz weight, the leather already peeling off of the thumbs, vent holes in the thumbs (that don't exist on the Bayonetas), thumb's a different shape but kind of hard to make out, thumb seam way cleaner on the Bayonetas, the pocket of the glove rests open where as the Bayonetas are more closed.

Side note, I hadn't used these in a year, so I am not sure why I thought they were hybrids. Makes their weight even that more ridiculous. But it probably explains the completely different stitching patterns.


No, Spring 2022.

That model was discontinued for a reason imho. Appreciate the Rival model info, i'll definitely use it as a guide for when I get my next Rivals.

I just ordered some new BoxeoTMs (lace only this time) and just picked up some RS1s after your advice.

Ok man, just wanted to share some knowledge. I hope you give New Sporting another shot and that you realize I'm not just a gear parrot, I've been saying this since before the gear reviewers updated their reviews. I love my latest batch of New Sporting, at times more than my Boxeo TM.

That's awesome about the Boxeo TM and RS1 man! What'd you think of the Rivals? Did you go with the 2.0 or anniversary edition?

Got some new BoxeoTMs. Juan is really cooking. I don't think these are actually PULAT, but the padding feels great and should be good for sparring when they are broken in. Tiny bit wider than I'd prefer, but not an issue - the other plusses more than make up for it and man are they beautiful.

Those are sexy man, I was looking at that colorway too! I think it's meant to replicate the colors Boots Ennis used in his last fight. Those definitely aren't PuLat, that's the reason I didn't pick them up. I already had a PU pair. What have you been using these for?

 

[ericPorkChop]

Ok man, just wanted to share some knowledge. I hope you give New Sporting another shot and that you realize I'm not just a gear parrot, I've been saying this since before the gear reviewers updated their reviews. I love my latest batch of New Sporting, at times more than my Boxeo TM.

Yeah, sorry I think I realize where you were coming from now, my bad if it was an overreaction. New Sporting definitely worth another look. A coach who visits frequently from another gym (and was my close friend's trainer before they had a falling out) has been giving me shit about my Bayonetas so I'm a bit sensitive about them. Love these gloves, they're my babies.

That's awesome about the Boxeo TM and RS1 man! What'd you think of the Rivals? Did you go with the 2.0 or anniversary edition?

I got the 2.0s. Ergonomically they are probably the best gloves I've ever put on. Out of the box the padding feels more like focus mitt padding than glove padding, so I've been a little worried. I hear when they soften up they're actually perfect. I may have to use them on softer bags until they soften up though, because on hard bags they're pretty jarring. Going to be a while before they're sparring ready I think. (In person, they're not as crooked as they look in this picture)

Those are sexy man, I was looking at that colorway too! I think it's meant to replicate the colors Boots Ennis used in his last fight. Those definitely aren't PuLat, that's the reason I didn't pick them up. I already had a PU pair. What have you been using these for?

I've been trying to really break in each pair of gloves in this most recent haul (2 Bayoneta, 1 Boxeo TM, 1 Tigrao, 1 C17, 1 Eizo) so I can see how they each feel once they're properly molded. I don't want to have half-formed opinions. As a result, I've just been focusing on the gold Bayonetas since November. I'll probably stick with them exclusively at least until January, unless I use the softer/newer red Bayonetas for sparring. It's going to probably take me a year before all the pairs are properly broken in. I'll try to crank out some reviews as I get through them. Not sure which glove I want to get to next.

 

[drbolony]

Yeah, sorry I think I realize where you were coming from now, my bad if it was an overreaction. New Sporting definitely worth another look. A coach who visits frequently from another gym (and was my close friend's trainer before they had a falling out) has been giving me shit about my Bayonetas so I'm a bit sensitive about them. Love these gloves, they're my babies.


I got the 2.0s. Ergonomically they are probably the best gloves I've ever put on. Out of the box the padding feels more like focus mitt padding than glove padding, so I've been a little worried. I hear when they soften up they're actually perfect. I may have to use them on softer bags until they soften up though, because on hard bags they're pretty jarring. Going to be a while before they're sparring ready I think. (In person, they're not as crooked as they look in this picture)

I've been trying to really break in each pair of gloves in this most recent haul (2 Bayoneta, 1 Boxeo TM, 1 Tigrao, 1 C17, 1 Eizo) so I can see how they each feel once they're properly molded. I don't want to have half-formed opinions. As a result, I've just been focusing on the gold Bayonetas since November. I'll probably stick with them exclusively at least until January, unless I use the softer/newer red Bayonetas for sparring. It's going to probably take me a year before all the pairs are properly broken in. I'll try to crank out some reviews as I get through them. Not sure which glove I want to get to next.

No worries bro I get it. I'm kind of with your coach, did he think you over spent of gloves? Either way you're happy with your purchase, and that's all that matters. No one likes feeling attacked.

As for the RS1's, nice! I have the 2.0 as well, so I feel comfortable confirming that yes, the padding gets a lot better. It does start pretty hard, but it gets perfect. Not pillowy like a Winning or one of it's many clones, but you'll see. I think the padding will be one of your favorites. It's honestly good for all kinds of training, it's just marketed as a sparring glove because of the lack of feedback, but the ergonomics and protection make it ideal for everything.

Btw, the wrists are meant to be like that! That's part of the ergonomics, a perfect fist is slightly bent down like that. I love that the glove takes all of the guess work out of it, you just clench and shoot. Love Rival for that.

Maybe not the highest quality materials when compared to other brands (especially Mexican), but nothing that Russ Abner cooks up in the back is a gimmick. His gear is very well thought out. I never thought I'd give Rival a shot because of the loud aesthetics, but I'm glad I did.

Nice haul brother! Will definitely like to hear your take on some of these. I'm especially curious about the Eizo. They seem like a good glove to beat up in circuit training because of the quality synthetic. Did you get different versions of Bayoneta? Or just two different colors? The new premium model looks sexy, too bad it's better as a sparring glove, I'm probably set on sparring gloves for the rest of my life, lol.

If you haven't tried them out, you should definitely check out Hit N Move, I have both the Balance and the Agility, I absolutely love them. I would've said MK1 when they were $175, but when they hit $217, they'll be exactly $13 cheaper than HNM, and HNM is pretty much an upgraded MK. They're very similar.

 

[ericPorkChop]

No worries bro I get it. I'm kind of with your coach, did he think you over spent of gloves? Either way you're happy with your purchase, and that's all that matters. No one likes feeling attacked.

Yeah, he didn’t like any of the prices on Edgar’s site for anything. But he also thinks you can still get Winnings in the States for under $300 (he and his guys constantly fall for fakes). Thinks you can still get new Reyes for $150. Thinks you can get other Mexican brands in Mexico for under $100.

My first pair of Bayonetas was under 300, which I thought was fine. Over 300 for the second pair was a bit much, I agree.

Nice haul brother! Will definitely like to hear your take on some of these. I'm especially curious about the Eizo. They seem like a good glove to beat up in circuit training because of the quality synthetic.

Eizo is this weird spot between feeling like Winning, Fly, and cheap RDX all at the same time. I don’t quite get it. But they are super comfy out the box and make pretty good contact on the bag. The synthetic leather has that soft feel kinda like Fly where you don’t need to squeeze hard to make a fist. Padding has a little bit of a Winning shape, but not quite as door knocker knuckle focused. I don’t know how long they’ll last or how they’ll break in. Could be an all around glove, a HIIT/bag class glove, or maybe just a sparring glove. Won’t know till they get more use.

Did you get different versions of Bayoneta? Or just two different colors? The new premium model looks sexy, too bad it's better as a sparring glove, I'm probably set on sparring gloves for the rest of my life, lol.

Second pair is the newer model. Color is the red lacquer with white trim. I needed a sparring glove after getting rid of my Winnings and getting some pressure to get laceups. My first pair (the gold ones) feel like indestructible tanks: stiff padding, thick, water resistant leather, with a pretty small profile. Second pair has kind of that Winning aesthetic of soft, flexible, glossy, high-end leather. The 2 pairs complement each other well, even if a bit pricey. It’s the fit that makes it worthwhile for me though, it’s exactly what I prefer.

If you haven't tried them out, you should definitely check out Hit N Move, I have both the Balance and the Agility, I absolutely love them. I would've said MK1 when they were $175, but when they hit $217, they'll be exactly $13 cheaper than HNM, and HNM is pretty much an upgraded MK. They're very similar.

Think I’m done for a while. Tonight I had to resist the urge to buy those white New Sportings currently on the site with the metallic Fiesta colors (blue, orange, pink). My wife was going to pay as a Christmas gift and everything (sigh).

Tonight I also put lace and loops on a few of the pairs and it was crazy how my impressions changed for the better. I’m really looking forward to breaking in the Boxeo TMs. They’re wider than I’d normally prefer, but everything else about them was surprisingly great. Felt amazing on the bag.

My son’s taking the C17s. Have some custom TopBoxer Win1s on the way for him too, but if he doesn’t like those I may have to give him one of the other pairs.

 

[ericPorkChop]

Changed my mind on the New Sportings. Wife wasn't able to get the gift she originally wanted to get me for Christmas, so I guess it works out. I know i have a problem. But, for a San Antonio Spurs fan, these were impossible to pass up.

 

[SharpasaRazor]

No worries bro I get it. I'm kind of with your coach, did he think you over spent of gloves? Either way you're happy with your purchase, and that's all that matters. No one likes feeling attacked.

As for the RS1's, nice! I have the 2.0 as well, so I feel comfortable confirming that yes, the padding gets a lot better. It does start pretty hard, but it gets perfect. Not pillowy like a Winning or one of it's many clones, but you'll see. I think the padding will be one of your favorites. It's honestly good for all kinds of training, it's just marketed as a sparring glove because of the lack of feedback, but the ergonomics and protection make it ideal for everything.

Btw, the wrists are meant to be like that! That's part of the ergonomics, a perfect fist is slightly bent down like that. I love that the glove takes all of the guess work out of it, you just clench and shoot. Love Rival for that.

Maybe not the highest quality materials when compared to other brands (especially Mexican), but nothing that Russ Abner cooks up in the back is a gimmick. His gear is very well thought out. I never thought I'd give Rival a shot because of the loud aesthetics, but I'm glad I did.

Nice haul brother! Will definitely like to hear your take on some of these. I'm especially curious about the Eizo. They seem like a good glove to beat up in circuit training because of the quality synthetic. Did you get different versions of Bayoneta? Or just two different colors? The new premium model looks sexy, too bad it's better as a sparring glove, I'm probably set on sparring gloves for the rest of my life, lol.

If you haven't tried them out, you should definitely check out Hit N Move, I have both the Balance and the Agility, I absolutely love them. I would've said MK1 when they were $175, but when they hit $217, they'll be exactly $13 cheaper than HNM, and HNM is pretty much an upgraded MK. They're very similar.

Picked up Hit N Move Balance in 16oz hook and loop for sparring and training. Once broken in I've got to say I absolutely love the feel I get when hitting the bag - great pop and the hand placement is spot on.

Couple issues - liner is freying faster than I would like for a glove at that price point, also had a weird situ where I was just tossing them in the bag after training and black mould type shit ended up growing on the inside of the wrist strap. They're white so this was more obvious than normal and probably down to me being lazy about taking care of them but its just not something I've ever seen before to that degree.

Now in the market for 14oz lace ups that will be used primarily for bag and mitt work as my old 14oz (thai gloves that I got at a UFC gym in Chicago of all places when I happened to be passing through) have finally given up the ghost. Doing my best to find Winnings at a non-insane price/waiting time but also taking a look at Reyes and Fly's premium range - I'm happy to splash out a bit on these just want them to really do the trick in that case.

I'm working with Everlast Elite 2's for 14oz right now and even breaking them in I can see they're just always gonna be too pillowey for me - theres just no pop on the bag or the punchers glove feel I like.

Any thoughts on where I might be best putting my efforts for these 14oz lace ups much appreciated!

 

[ericPorkChop]

If you haven't tried them out, you should definitely check out Hit N Move, I have both the Balance and the Agility, I absolutely love them. I would've said MK1 when they were $175, but when they hit $217, they'll be exactly $13 cheaper than HNM, and HNM is pretty much an upgraded MK. They're very similar.

Final verdict on the Eizos is that they are really just glorified RDX gloves. Definitely not worth the money. Trying to return them as I type this. Finally got around to looking up MK1 and HNM. Neither are my cup of tea appearance-wise, design-wise they seem kinda gimmicky (especially the HNM), and neither looks particularly well made. The number of defects on their advertisement models is actually surprising (they probably shouldn't have made those images zoom-able). I'm definitely a Mexican-made glove fanboy and those are not it.