PC Sherdog PC Build/Buy Thread, v6: My Power Supply Burned Down My House

Just grabbed Creative's new flagship card. Stupid expensive but I'll always support Creative and have always liked dedicated sound cards. Also, it comes with an impressive headphone amp/DAC.

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https://us.creative.com/p/sound-cards/sound-blaster-ae-9
 
@bdreason

Saw your pots in the Game Hardware thread, but if you intend to build, this is the place. There's really no better time than now to buy. It sounds like you don't necessarily need a new case, and maybe not a new PSU. You just mentioned your processing components are long in the tooth, so that means CPU (+ MoBo + RAM) + GPU. If you're still on an old 2012 drive, you'll definitely want to add a proper NVMe SSD for your OS drive, too. Prices on everything are at historic lows, but the aforementioned Cases & PSUs.

However, you might keep your eyes peeled for another bundle sale like this tracked on the r/buildapcsales. It went fast:
Customizable bundle sale. An actual Cooler Master rep is interacting with the community to devise those. That was a monstrous deal. Bundles like this are a strong foundation if you don't intend to recycle your case and other parts. Considering your build is 7 years old it's probably smart to update these (especially the PSU). The best configuration was these parts:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BQ9Q8Y
$255 (before tax) on the discrete market.
$155 in the bundle = 40% off.

For the rest:
  • CPU should be an R5-3600 or R7-3700X.
  • GPU has a bunch of options due to recent competition, but you should probably opt for one of these:
    • AMD = RX 590 > RX Vega 56 > RX 5700 > RX 5700 XT
    • NVIDIA = GTX 1660 Ti > RTX 2060 Super > RTX 2070 Super
  • MoBo: You can go with a cheaper MSI B450 motherboard, but I would be wary of that. At the very least, consider waiting until the BIOS issues have been ironed out. Many can't even get their boards to POST. I think the X570 motherboards, even if you go with the cheapest of them, are worth the premium.
  • RAM: 2x8GB (or more) DDR4-3200 CAS16 or better is the sweet spot for value right now.
  • SSD: check the r/buildapc sub for sales on any given week. As I wrote in the other thread these are the ones to watch for:
The Intel 660p has been the budget king for a long time, now, but there are some superior TLC drives that have been near the same floor, or below it, that are preferable while they're there. Look for these when checking PCPP, and keep your eyes peeled for sales:
There are also these less established brands in the SSD game; all of the below operate on the Phison E12 controller. This is the same controller as in the Seagate Barracuda 510 and Firecuda 510 that are nearly twice as expensive. Sabrent actually has brought to market the first PCIe 4.0 SSD drive. Here's how the Phison E12 controller stacks up against the SM2262EN controller (that's in the above HP EX920):
https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/...-showdown-phison-e12-smi-sm2262en/index3.html
 
@bdreason

Saw your pots in the Game Hardware thread, but if you intend to build, this is the place. There's really no better time than now to buy. It sounds like you don't necessarily need a new case, and maybe not a new PSU. You just mentioned your processing components are long in the tooth, so that means CPU (+ MoBo + RAM) + GPU. If you're still on an old 2012 drive, you'll definitely want to add a proper NVMe SSD for your OS drive, too. Prices on everything are at historic lows, but the aforementioned Cases & PSUs.

However, you might keep your eyes peeled for another bundle sale like this tracked on the r/buildapcsales. It went fast:
Customizable bundle sale. An actual Cooler Master rep is interacting with the community to devise those. That was a monstrous deal. Bundles like this are a strong foundation if you don't intend to recycle your case and other parts. Considering your build is 7 years old it's probably smart to update these (especially the PSU). The best configuration was these parts:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BQ9Q8Y
$255 (before tax) on the discrete market.
$155 in the bundle = 40% off.

For the rest:
  • CPU should be an R5-3600 or R7-3700X.
  • GPU has a bunch of options due to recent competition, but you should probably opt for one of these:
    • AMD = RX 590 > RX Vega 56 > RX 5700 > RX 5700 XT
    • NVIDIA = GTX 1660 Ti > RTX 2060 Super > RTX 2070 Super
  • MoBo: You can go with a cheaper MSI B450 motherboard, but I would be wary of that. At the very least, consider waiting until the BIOS issues have been ironed out. Many can't even get their boards to POST. I think the X570 motherboards, even if you go with the cheapest of them, are worth the premium.
  • RAM: 2x8GB (or more) DDR4-3200 CAS16 or better is the sweet spot for value right now.
  • SSD: check the r/buildapc sub for sales on any given week. As I wrote in the other thread these are the ones to watch for:


Thanks for the info. While I certainly don't like to overpay, I'm not too concerned with saving every penny. My plan was to actually just buy parts from Microcenter and have them build it for $150. I know I can build it myself, but honestly it's just worth it to me to have someone else build it. Here are the parts I threw together on MCenter website. Let me know what you think if you would.

https://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx?RedirectUrl=https://www.microcenter.com


I didn't even know you could run SSD's through your PCIe slot. That's awesome and can't wait for the upgrade.
 
Thanks for the info. While I certainly don't like to overpay, I'm not too concerned with saving every penny. My plan was to actually just buy parts from Microcenter and have them build it for $150. I know I can build it myself, but honestly it's just worth it to me to have someone else build it. Here are the parts I threw together on MCenter website. Let me know what you think if you would.

https://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx?RedirectUrl=https://www.microcenter.com

I didn't even know you could run SSD's through your PCIe slot. That's awesome and can't wait for the upgrade.
I can't see what's in your cart. That URL is a general URL, so all it does show me the last items I had in my cart when I was fiddling around at the Microcenter website. So you gotta just link me the individual parts.

The above was by no means a cheap build. It's just one that maximizes value. The R5-3600 + RX 5700 XT are the best bang-for-your-buck at the higher end of gaming. The Asus X570-P is the best entry level X570 motherboard at its price. I figure you probably have some old 3.5" SATA HDDs you can recycle, but the Intel 660p is the best value 1TB NVMe-class SSD right now. Just to give you an idea of what the above would entail (you might be able to knock off some cash with a Google Express sale, but probably not if you're dodging taxes on the component below):
$904: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8kKVr6
$155: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BQ9Q8Y (w/bundle price for the sale I linked above that is unfortunately out of stock already)
= $1079*
*no OS included, not sure if you want that


I'll wait to see what your Microcenter build is, but in the meantime, here is a similar CPPC build to what we put together for @MusterX several weeks ago with an even greater focus on value. There's no extra cost. This includes the price of them building it for you. I've also learned how to deploy their codes with the "Save" feature. Wish I'd figured this out for you, Muster, could have saved you the trouble of making all the changes to the core yourself.

($1167) CyberpowerPC VR Ready RX 5700 XT Custom Configuration
Further changes to consider:
  • Back to School Featured Promotions:
    • (-$10) Remove CyberpowerPC Elite M1 Gaming Mouse & Skorpion mechanical keyboard [if you already have peripherals, but IMO this is a perk-level price for these components]
  • Gaming Chassis:
    • (+$68) Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic
    • (+$68) Lian Li PC-011 Air
      [if you want what some argue is the best MidATX case on the market; these are its two variants]
  • Extra Case Fans:
    • (+$9) 3x120mm Black [if you just want more airflow, but FYI the case selected comes with 3x120mm RGB fans in front by default]
    • ARGB/RGB is too dependent on subjective preferences me to make a blind recommendation, but know the Deepcool case I've selected is intended to support expansion of additional 5V multicolor fans
  • CPU:
    • (+$120) R7-3700X
  • CPU Cooler:
    • (+$28) NZXT Kraken 120mm
      or
    • (+$22) CyberpowerPC Masterliquid Lite 240mm
      [better thermals from either if you don't mind maintaining a liquid cooler]
  • Motherboard:
    • (+$23) Asus TUF X570-Plus [if you want built-in WiFi and a bit better motherboard VRM]
  • RAM:
    • (+$9) DDR4-3200 Generic RAM [+200MHz upgrade]
      or
    • (+$18) DDR4-3200 Corsair Vengeance LPX [guarantees a lower latency]
  • Video Card:
    • (-$5) NVIDIA RTX 2060 Super [if you want to go with NVIDIA]
  • Power Supply:
    • (+$72) Corsair TX650M [don't take less if you want a serious upgrade to PSU quality because lesser "upgrades" there really just aren't]
  • Primary Hard Drive:
    • (+$55) Intel 660p 1TB [if you want double the storage in the OS drive]
  • Secondary Hard Drive:
    • (-$69) Remove 2TB 7200 RPM HDD [if you don't need extra storage]
  • Operating System:
    • (+$60) Windows 10 Home [***IMPORTANT***add if you don't want to acquire & install Windows yourself]
  • Professional Wiring:
    • (+$19) Professional Cable Wiring Care [clean cable management guarantee]
  • Warranty:
    • (+$19) Premium Warranty [not at all the usual warranty ripoff; for peace of mind that you won't pay $100+ in shipping fees if you have to send it in-- very reasonable rate for coverage]
Note that until the end of the day this comes with a $50 American Express Gift Card that you can use like a universal debit where American Express is accepted. That's the daily deal. Tomorrow it changes, and you would have to tweak the build in one place to take advantage.

So the effective price of this customized configuration foundation is $1117.
 
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I can't see what's in your cart. That URL is a general URL, so all it does show me the last items I had in my cart when I was fiddling around at the Microcenter website. So you gotta just link me the individual parts.

The above was by no means a cheap build. It's just one that maximizes value. The R5-3600 + RX 5700 XT are the best bang-for-your-buck at the higher end of gaming. The Asus X570-P is the best entry level X570 motherboard at its price. I figure you probably have some old 3.5" SATA HDDs you can recycle, but the Intel 660p is the best value 1TB NVMe-class SSD right now. Just to give you an idea of what the above would entail (you might be able to knock off some cash with a Google Express sale, but probably not if you're dodging taxes on the component below):
$904: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8kKVr6
$155: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BQ9Q8Y (w/bundle price for the sale I linked above that is unfortunately out of stock already)
= $1079*
*no OS included, not sure if you want that


I'll wait to see what your Microcenter build is, but in the meantime, here is a similar CPPC build to what we put together for @MusterX several weeks ago with an even greater focus on value. There's no extra cost. This includes the price of them building it for you. I've also learned how to deploy their codes with the "Save" feature. Wish I'd figured this out for you, Muster, could have saved you the trouble of making all the changes to the core yourself.

($1167) CyberpowerPC VR Ready RX 5700 XT Custom Configuration
Further changes to consider:
  • Back to School Featured Promotions:
    • (-$10) Eliminate CyberpowerPC Elite M1 Gaming Mouse & Skorpion mechanical keyboard [if you already have peripherals, but IMO this is a perk-level price for these components]
  • Gaming Chassis:
    • (+$68) Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic [if you want what many argue is the best MidATX case on the market]
  • Extra Case Fans:
    • (+$9) 3x120mm Black
      or
    • (+$34) CyberpowerPC 3x120mm RGB fans w/RC [if you like RGB]
  • CPU:
    • (+$120) R7-3700X
  • CPU Cooler [if you don't mind a liquid cooler]:
    • (+$28) NZXT Kraken 120mm
      or
    • (+$22) CyberpowerPC Masterliquid Lite 240mm
  • Motherboard:
    • (+$23) Asus TUF X570-Plus [if you want built-in WiFi and a bit better motherboard VRM]
  • RAM:
    • (+$9) DDR4-3200 Generic RAM
      or
    • (+$18) DDR4-3200 Corsair Vengeance LPX (guarantees a lower latency)
  • Video Card:
    • (-$5) NVIDIA RTX 2060 Super [if you want to go with NVIDIA]
  • Power Supply:
    • (+$72) Corsair TX650M [don't take less if you want a serious upgrade to PSU quality because lesser "upgrades" there really just aren't]
  • Primary Hard Drive:
    • (+$55) Intel 660p 1TB [if you want double the storage in the OS drive]
  • Secondary Hard Drive:
    • (-$69) Remove 2TB 7200 RPM HDD [if you don't need extra storage]
  • Operating System:
    • (+$60) Windows 10 [***IMPORTANT***add if you don't want to acquire & install Windows yourself]
  • Professional Wiring:
    • (+$19) Professional Cable Wiring Care [clean cable management guarantee]
  • Warranty:
    • (+$19) Premium Warranty [not at all the usual warranty ripoff for peace of mind that you won't pay $100+ in shipping fees if you have to send it in]
Note that until the end of the day this comes with a $50 American Express Gift Card that you can use like a universal debit where American Express is accepted. That's the daily deal. Tomorrow it changes, and you would have to tweak the build in one place to take advantage.

So the effective price of this customized configuration foundation is $1117.


My bad. I'll link the parts. I'm okay with an online PC builder, but I've also heard they can be shady and swap parts or use old parts.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/608721/X570_Phantom_Gaming_4_AM4_ATX_AMD_Motherboard
https://www.microcenter.com/product...M4_Boxed_Processor_with_Wraith_Stealth_Cooler
https://www.microcenter.com/product...el_Desktop_Memory_Kit_F4-3200C16D-32G_-_Black
https://www.microcenter.com/product...red_Glass_ATX_Mid-Tower_Computer_Case_-_Black
https://www.microcenter.com/product...tt_80_Plus_Gold_ATX_Modular_Power_Supply_2018
https://www.microcenter.com/product...verclocked_Dual-Fan_8GB_GDDR5_PCIe_Video_Card
https://www.microcenter.com/product...80_PCIe_NVMe_30_x4_Internal_Solid_State_Drive

Total = 1088.61
Doesn't include assembly though, and I think I need to upgrade the GPU.
 
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I'll wait to see what your Microcenter build is, but in the meantime, here is a similar CPPC build to what we put together for @MusterX several weeks ago with an even greater focus on value.

I've been very happy with the build. I would recommend to anyone who is looking at cases to investigate the Lian Li line of cases. I bought the Lian Li AUER and it is the coolest case I've ever owned. And by cool I mean it has great air flow, although it does look cool as well. I bought the 6 case fans for it as shown below and runs at arctic temperatures.

Lian-Li-PC-O11-Dynamic-der8auer-pcgh_b2article_artwork.jpg
 
I've been very happy with the build. I would recommend to anyone who is looking at cases to investigate the Lian Li line of cases. I bought the Lian Li AUER and it is the coolest case I've ever owned. And by cool I mean it has great air flow, although it does look cool as well. I bought the 6 case fans for it as shown below and runs at arctic temperatures.

Lian-Li-PC-O11-Dynamic-der8auer-pcgh_b2article_artwork.jpg
Yeah, that thing is so sick. This is the higher airflow variant of the Dynamic Case I mentioned above. Max performance, period.
My bad. I'll link the parts. I'm okay with an online PC builder, but I've also heard they can be shady and swap parts or use old parts.
Grain of salt. The internet is loaded with bullshit. I just caught a dude on Reddit testifying that Kingston A400 SSDs were shit, and he had three die on him, one after the other, so he finally bought the better SSD he insisted was necessary to not be crap, and it had been going strong for 4+ years. Thing is...the Kingston A400 came out two years ago. Users have reported receiving hard drives from merchants like Newegg that already have footprints of previous use like non-specified partitions, for example, so the custom builders aren't the only ones saddled with sketchy rumors. The thing with prebuilders is, if no brand is named, they aren't breaking any rules if they put anything in that fits the listed specifications. All you have to do is specify a brand if that concerns you.

Few are bulletproof outside the big boys, but Microcenter is one, and you're fortunate enough to live near one, so yippie kayeh, let's do this:
This is highly competitive except for the GPU. You're coming out $80 ahead on raw cost.

CPPC vs. Microcenter
Asus PRIME X570-P > ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 (better power delivery & VRM design)
Wraith Prism CPU Cooler > Wraith Stealth
Generic 3000 MHz RAM < G. Skill Ripjaw (the +$18 Corsair LPX 3200 sticks would match this)
Standard 800W Gold << Corsair RM850x
RX 5700 XT >>> RX 590
WD SN500 < Samsung 970 EVO

Corsair 275R is one of the best cases under $100. It comes with one fewer case fan by default than the Deepcool Mattrex 55, and they aren't RGB, but you can always add those as cheaply as possible from the Microcenter. About the same in value though I would expect better thermal performance from the Corsair. Otherwise, this build doesn't include the:
  • Mechanical Keyboard, Gaming Mouse, or Mousepad
  • 2TB HDD ($46 value)
  • No $50 AMEX Gift Card
Though the RX 590 vs. RX 5700 XT is the greatest deficit in terms of performance & monetary value (~$160 on the open market).

So -$80 cheaper - $18 (RAM advantage) - $72 (PSU quality advantage) + $150 (Microcenter building cost) + $50 (Microcenter 2TB HDD cost) + $50 (AMEX Card cash value) + $170 (Microcenter GPU discrepancy value) = Microcenter $250 worse [without counting KB+M+Mousepad].

Everything else is mostly a wash though I think you would value the stronger CPU cooler.
 
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I can't see what's in your cart. That URL is a general URL, so all it does show me the last items I had in my cart when I was fiddling around at the Microcenter website. So you gotta just link me the individual parts.

The above was by no means a cheap build. It's just one that maximizes value. The R5-3600 + RX 5700 XT are the best bang-for-your-buck at the higher end of gaming. The Asus X570-P is the best entry level X570 motherboard at its price. I figure you probably have some old 3.5" SATA HDDs you can recycle, but the Intel 660p is the best value 1TB NVMe-class SSD right now. Just to give you an idea of what the above would entail (you might be able to knock off some cash with a Google Express sale, but probably not if you're dodging taxes on the component below):
$904: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8kKVr6
$155: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BQ9Q8Y (w/bundle price for the sale I linked above that is unfortunately out of stock already)
= $1079*
*no OS included, not sure if you want that


I'll wait to see what your Microcenter build is, but in the meantime, here is a similar CPPC build to what we put together for @MusterX several weeks ago with an even greater focus on value. There's no extra cost. This includes the price of them building it for you. I've also learned how to deploy their codes with the "Save" feature. Wish I'd figured this out for you, Muster, could have saved you the trouble of making all the changes to the core yourself.

($1167) CyberpowerPC VR Ready RX 5700 XT Custom Configuration
Further changes to consider:
  • Back to School Featured Promotions:
    • (-$10) Eliminate CyberpowerPC Elite M1 Gaming Mouse & Skorpion mechanical keyboard [if you already have peripherals, but IMO this is a perk-level price for these components]
  • Gaming Chassis:
    • (+$68) Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic [if you want what many argue is the best MidATX case on the market]
  • Extra Case Fans:
    • (+$9) 3x120mm Black
      or
    • (+$34) CyberpowerPC 3x120mm RGB fans w/RC [if you like RGB]
  • CPU:
    • (+$120) R7-3700X
  • CPU Cooler [if you don't mind a liquid cooler]:
    • (+$28) NZXT Kraken 120mm
      or
    • (+$22) CyberpowerPC Masterliquid Lite 240mm
  • Motherboard:
    • (+$23) Asus TUF X570-Plus [if you want built-in WiFi and a bit better motherboard VRM]
  • RAM:
    • (+$9) DDR4-3200 Generic RAM
      or
    • (+$18) DDR4-3200 Corsair Vengeance LPX (guarantees a lower latency)
  • Video Card:
    • (-$5) NVIDIA RTX 2060 Super [if you want to go with NVIDIA]
  • Power Supply:
    • (+$72) Corsair TX650M [don't take less if you want a serious upgrade to PSU quality because lesser "upgrades" there really just aren't]
  • Primary Hard Drive:
    • (+$55) Intel 660p 1TB [if you want double the storage in the OS drive]
  • Secondary Hard Drive:
    • (-$69) Remove 2TB 7200 RPM HDD [if you don't need extra storage]
  • Operating System:
    • (+$60) Windows 10 [***IMPORTANT***add if you don't want to acquire & install Windows yourself]
  • Professional Wiring:
    • (+$19) Professional Cable Wiring Care [clean cable management guarantee]
  • Warranty:
    • (+$19) Premium Warranty [not at all the usual warranty ripoff for peace of mind that you won't pay $100+ in shipping fees if you have to send it in]
Note that until the end of the day this comes with a $50 American Express Gift Card that you can use like a universal debit where American Express is accepted. That's the daily deal. Tomorrow it changes, and you would have to tweak the build in one place to take advantage.

So the effective price of this customized configuration foundation is $1117.

You are cutting $120 from CPU to spend on Power Supply and Hard Drive? That makes no sense from a performance perspective.

I'd go with an Intel CPU instead. More future proof.

I watch a lot of Twitch at work and none of these guys use AMD anything. It's all Intel CPU's and NVidia graphics.
 
I watch a lot of Twitch at work and none of these guys use AMD anything. It's all Intel CPU's and NVidia graphics.

Price point to performance for AMD CPU's and GPU's is currently better for the standard consumer. Also need to keep in mind that it was only last month AMD released a CPU and GPU worthy of checking out. Likelihood is that most Twitch streamers already have hardware operating at higher performance to the current AMD line.

When it comes to Pc building its best to invest in certain peripherals for they will last multiple Pc builds.
 
You are cutting $120 from CPU to spend on Power Supply and Hard Drive? That makes no sense from a performance perspective.

I'd go with an Intel CPU instead. More future proof.

I watch a lot of Twitch at work and none of these guys use AMD anything. It's all Intel CPU's and NVidia graphics.

Explain.
 
Price point to performance for AMD CPU's and GPU's is currently better for the standard consumer. Also need to keep in mind that it was only last month AMD released a CPU and GPU worthy of checking out. Likelihood is that most Twitch streamers already have hardware operating at higher performance to the current AMD line.

When it comes to Pc building its best to invest in certain peripherals for they will last multiple Pc builds.

That being said I still think it makes sense to spend the extra $100-200 on an Intel CPU when it's something that can potentially last you 5+ years.
 

It's easier to upgrade a PSU and Hard Drive than it is a CPU.

For the initial build it makes more sense to allocate as much as possible to the CPU. You're building more of a future proof platform that way. Obviously there is no such thing as future proof hardware, what I mean is longer lasting without having to do core upgrades.
 
It's easier to upgrade a PSU and Hard Drive than it is a CPU.

For the initial build it makes more sense to allocate as much as possible to the CPU. You're building more of a future proof platform that way. Obviously there is no such thing as future proof hardware, what I mean is longer lasting without having to do core upgrades.

That being said I still think it makes sense to spend the extra $100-200 on an Intel CPU when it's something that can potentially last you 5+ years.

For the initial build it makes more sense to allocate as much as possible to the CPU. You're building more of a future proof platform that way. Obviously there is no such thing as future proof hardware, what I mean is longer lasting without having to do core upgrades.


You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm 36 and been PC gaming since Doom was a new game. My DAW PC is an i5 2500k running since 2012 and my gaming is an i7 7700k both self built. Care to explain how I have no idea what I'm talking about?
 
I'm 36 and been PC gaming since Doom was a new game. My DAW PC is an i5 2500k running since 2012 and my gaming is an i7 7700k both self built. Care to explain how I have no idea what I'm talking about?

There is 3 reasons to buy an Intel CPU right now.
1. If you want want the king of the mountain, you buy the 9900k and it's a $500 cpu. AMD beats them at every other desktop cpu.
Ryzen 3600 goes blow for blow with the Intel 9600k, it's cheaper ($200 vs $240), and offers 6/12 cores unlike the 6 non hyper threaded cores of the 9600k.
Let's look at the 9700k. 8 cores, no hyper threading, and is $365. The 3700x is 8/16 cores, $330, and once again goes blow for blow with it's Intel counterpart.
You have to add $20 to the price of the Intel cpu's as well since they don't come with a cpu cooler, AMD includes a decent cooler.
Ryzen's initial launch made the i3 and lower lines useless. The only other Intel cpu that makes a little bit of sense is the 9400f.

2. Resale value. I own a 7700k as well, and a Ryzen 7 1700. They both launched within a couple months of each other at roughly the same price point. On the used market now, it's $140 vs $240. Intel cpu's do hold their value better, there's no denying that.

3. I'll let you figure out the other reason. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd be able to figure it out quick. Maybe then we'll sync.

Now I'll address "I'd go with an Intel CPU instead. More future proof." Let's use your 7700k for example. I pointed out earlier they both came out at the same time. Try to put a 9700k in your current motherboard. If you have an AMD 300 series board from the same time period, a 37000x drops right in.
Let's jump a year into the future when the next cpu's will be released. You still won't be able to use your 7700k mobo for the new processors. Heck, even the motherboard from a 9700k wouldn't work since Intel requires new boards every 2 generations. Meanwhile those 300 series boards from AMD will still support the new processors.


"Obviously there is no such thing as future proof hardware, what I mean is longer lasting without having to do core upgrades." Who has more cores again?

So tell me, why buy Intel at this point?
 
There is 3 reasons to buy an Intel CPU right now.
1. If you want want the king of the mountain, you buy the 9900k and it's a $500 cpu. AMD beats them at every other desktop cpu.
Ryzen 3600 goes blow for blow with the Intel 9600k, it's cheaper ($200 vs $240), and offers 6/12 cores unlike the 6 non hyper threaded cores of the 9600k.
Let's look at the 9700k. 8 cores, no hyper threading, and is $365. The 3700x is 8/16 cores, $330, and once again goes blow for blow with it's Intel counterpart.
You have to add $20 to the price of the Intel cpu's as well since they don't come with a cpu cooler, AMD includes a decent cooler.
Ryzen's initial launch made the i3 and lower lines useless. The only other Intel cpu that makes a little bit of sense is the 9400f.

2. Resale value. I own a 7700k as well, and a Ryzen 7 1700. They both launched within a couple months of each other at roughly the same price point. On the used market now, it's $140 vs $240. Intel cpu's do hold their value better, there's no denying that.

3. I'll let you figure out the other reason. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd be able to figure it out quick. Maybe then we'll sync.

Now I'll address "I'd go with an Intel CPU instead. More future proof." Let's use your 7700k for example. I pointed out earlier they both came out at the same time. Try to put a 9700k in your current motherboard. If you have an AMD 300 series board from the same time period, a 37000x drops right in.
Let's jump a year into the future when the next cpu's will be released. You still won't be able to use your 7700k mobo for the new processors. Heck, even the motherboard from a 9700k wouldn't work since Intel requires new boards every 2 generations. Meanwhile those 300 series boards from AMD will still support the new processors.


"Obviously there is no such thing as future proof hardware, what I mean is longer lasting without having to do core upgrades." Who has more cores again?

So tell me, why buy Intel at this point?

I have stock in Intel so please buy Intel. Thanks!
 
You are cutting $120 from CPU to spend on Power Supply and Hard Drive?
Please take the time to first understand what you're reading before commenting. No money was cut from the CPU to spend on the PSU or HDD. The cheapest PSU available ("Standard 800W Gold") is taken in the base configuration I customized & linked. Furthermore, no money was leeched from the CPU because of the hard drive. I wasn't working within a specified budget. There is a 512GB m.2-NVMe SSD + 2TB HDD in my configuration because most want more storage than half a terabyte in new builds, today. Games are huge. The SSD & HDD I included offer the best performance/value available with CPPC.
That makes no sense from a performance perspective.

I'd go with an Intel CPU instead. More future proof.

I watch a lot of Twitch at work and none of these guys use AMD anything. It's all Intel CPU's and NVidia graphics.
That's because Intel has held a strong practical advantage in gaming performance until a month ago. It no longer holds a significant advantage, and it definitely isn't giving you more for your money. You're also wrong about future proofing. Frankly, if you aren't spending more than $350 on your CPU, there's just no point in speaking Intel's name, and even then it's a debate. If you're a pure gaming overclocker who is made of money it's worth considering the i7-9700K or i9-9900K, but I still wouldn't advise it.
Because they're faster in games. 9700k is $40 more than 3700x, not exactly breaking the bank.
9700K doesn't come with a stock CPU cooler, and the cheapest comparable cooler to the Wraiths will run you $25+. It also doesn't have hyperthreading which will play a role in that future-proofing you mentioned, and the LGA 1151 socket motherboard one would buy for it is already a dead platform that has no hope of supporting Intel's next gen.
 
($1167) CyberpowerPC VR Ready RX 5700 XT Custom Configuration [Free $50 AMEX Gift Card Daily Deal variant]
Further changes to consider:
  • Back to School Featured Promotions:
    • (-$10) Remove CyberpowerPC Elite M1 Gaming Mouse & Skorpion mechanical keyboard [if you already have peripherals, but IMO this is a perk-level price for these components]
  • Gaming Chassis:
    • (+$68) Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic
    • (+$68) Lian Li PC-011 Air
      [if you want what many argue is the best MidATX case on the market; these are its two variants]
  • Extra Case Fans:
    • (+$9) 3x120mm Black [if you just want more airflow, but FYI the case selected comes with 3x120mm RGB fans in front by default]
      or
    • (+$34) CyberpowerPC 3x120mm RGB fans w/RC [if you want more airflow, and want all your case fans to be RGB]
  • CPU:
    • (+$120) R7-3700X
  • CPU Cooler:
    • (+$28) NZXT Kraken 120mm
      or
    • (+$22) CyberpowerPC Masterliquid Lite 240mm
      [better thermals from either if you don't mind maintaining a liquid cooler]
  • Motherboard:
    • (+$23) Asus TUF X570-Plus [if you want built-in WiFi and a bit better motherboard VRM]
  • RAM:
    • (+$9) DDR4-3200 Generic RAM [+200MHz upgrade]
      or
    • (+$18) DDR4-3200 Corsair Vengeance LPX [guarantees a lower latency]
  • Video Card:
    • (-$5) NVIDIA RTX 2060 Super [if you want to go with NVIDIA]
  • Power Supply:
    • (+$72) Corsair TX650M [don't take less if you want a serious upgrade to PSU quality because lesser "upgrades" there really just aren't]
  • Primary Hard Drive:
    • (+$55) Intel 660p 1TB [if you want double the storage in the OS drive]
  • Secondary Hard Drive:
    • (-$69) Remove 2TB 7200 RPM HDD [if you don't need extra storage]
  • Operating System:
    • (+$60) Windows 10 Home [***IMPORTANT***add if you don't want to acquire & install Windows yourself]
  • Professional Wiring:
    • (+$19) Professional Cable Wiring Care [clean cable management guarantee]
  • Warranty:
    • (+$19) Premium Warranty [not at all the usual warranty ripoff; for peace of mind that you won't pay $100+ in shipping fees if you have to send it in-- very reasonable rate for coverage]
Note that until the end of the day this comes with a $50 American Express Gift Card that you can use like a universal debit where American Express is accepted. That's the daily deal. Tomorrow it changes, and you would have to tweak the build in one place to take advantage.

So the effective price of this customized configuration foundation is $1117.
BTW, example of the deal rotation I mentioned, @bdreason, is that today the deal is a Free 512GB Intel 660p SSD with the purchase of an HDD (not the $50 AMEX Gift Card). Assuming you planned on buying an additional HDD for storage this is one of the two best deals I've tracked in terms of the resulting total. These are deals in their rotation I've tracked, recently:
  • Daily Deal: Free $50 American Express Gift Card with any build purchase over $1000
  • Daily Deal: Free 512GB Intel 660p m.2 SSD with any HDD purchase
  • Daily Deal: Free 3TB 7200 RPM HDD with any SSD purchase
  • Daily Deal: Free Upgrade to 16GB ADATA D80 3200 MHz RAM (from 16GB Generic)

There's a glitch, so it won't let me take the Seagate 2TB HDD as the Primary Drive for +$2 (vs. their nondescript 2TB HDD), in order to trigger eligibility for the free Intel 512GB SSD box below, but otherwise, this build is identical the one in my quote box:
($1090) CyberpowerPC VR Ready RX 5700 XT Custom Configuration [Free 512GB Intel 660p SSD w/HDD purchase Daily Deal variant]

Comes out $27 cheaper, effectively, with this daily deal (would be $25 cheaper if not for Seagate HDD glitch). Only difference is the 512GB Intel 660p vs. 500GB WD SN500: the latter is slightly better (QLC vs. TLC).

Also know that I took the time to fire off an email to them once. I asked if the Primary Hard Drive was an HDD, such as with a deal like this, but the freebie was an SSD, and if a customer did opt to take Windows in your configuration, to which drive would they install Windows? The customer rep answered that by default they will always install Windows to the fastest drive. Nevertheless, there is a comment box when you make an order, so I don't think it would hurt to make that request specifically if you did do this (i.e. "Please install Windows to Intel 660p SSD).
 
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Please take the time to first understand what you're reading before commenting. No money was cut from the CPU to spend on the PSU or HDD. The cheapest PSU available ("Standard 800W Gold") is taken in the base configuration I customized & linked. Furthermore, no money was leeched from the CPU because of the hard drive. I wasn't working within a specified budget. There is a 512GB m.2-NVMe SSD + 2TB HDD in my configuration because most want more storage than half a terabyte in new builds, today. Games are huge. The SSD & HDD I included offer the best performance/value available with CPPC.

That's because Intel has held a strong practical advantage in gaming performance until a month ago. It no longer holds a significant advantage, and it definitely isn't giving you more for your money. You're also wrong about future proofing. Frankly, if you aren't spending more than $350 on your CPU, there's just no point in speaking Intel's name, and even then it's a debate. If you're a pure gaming overclocker who is made of money it's worth considering the i7-9700K or i9-9900K, but I still wouldn't advise it.

9700K doesn't come with a stock CPU cooler, and the cheapest comparable cooler to the Wraiths will run you $25+. It also doesn't have hyperthreading which will play a role in that future-proofing you mentioned, and the LGA 1151 socket motherboard one would buy for it is already a dead platform that has no hope of supporting Intel's next gen.

I'd still get an Intel CPU. 9700k doesn't need hyperthreading. It's 8 physical Intel cores @ 4+ ghz. Games like physical cores more than hyperthreads.

Talking less than $80 more with a good cooler than the 3700x. Worth it.

Per core performance is still the main factor for CPU performance in games.

It's why this gen of consoles are so underpowered on the CPU side despite having 8 cores/16 threads you simply can't do much with sub 2ghz clock speed and low IPC of the weak AMD cores they used.
 
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