UFC 211 - Stipe vs JDS II - Dallas - Part III

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Listening to the roadshow and they said Branch was pulled from the card because of a medical issue but was then re-added, they didn't have more info on it, was pulled for a couple days and they were wondering if it affected his training, says a doctor mis-read an exam.

 
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Why has the Benitez vs Bazola line moved so much?
Idk if your talking about a line movment that happened recently, but I think it's because Benitez opened up to high. If anyone is going to give him a hard time, it's a grinder/wrestler. They're also both improving every fight, to me it shouldn't be much higher then a pickem.
 
Yeah but he opened like -160 and got bet all the up to -240? seems like such a big drop and what gave it steam the other direction so far? I think it should be -155/+145 I think we will see that Benitez has the faster offense, might be less output but faster and winning exchanges.
Idk if your talking about a line movment that happened recently, but I think it's because Benitez opened up to high. If anyone is going to give him a hard time, it's a grinder/wrestler. They're also both improving every fight, to me it shouldn't be much higher then a pickem.
 
Yeah but he opened like -160 and got bet all the up to -240? seems like such a big drop and what gave it steam the other direction so far? I think it should be -155/+145 I think we will see that Benitez has the faster offense, might be less output but faster and winning exchanges.
Ah I didn't know that, that is strange. Wish I had got a bet on Bazola when the odds were that high.
 
Thanks for the input. I'm on Knight though, I was just curious on your thoughts. I honestly feel Skelly has something wrong with him in regards to cardio - similar to lil' Ellenberger.

Skelly always gasses, it's not just a product of his training camp like he states it. The first fight with bektic I didn't notice it. But his next fight he blamed it on the quick turnaround but he couldn't even get it together for the post fight interview, he was sucking wind. I think someone said they didn't notice it during the Souza fight but I thought he was dead going into the second round until he got that strange submission out of no where where it looked like Souza was gonna take over and pound him out at the end of round 1. Same with Elkins, Elkins was a huge underdog live bet after round 1 but it went as history suggests and skelly gassed. I think skelly is as his physical presence suggests and he lacks the athletic attributes to compete for 3 rounds against this tier of athletes. Not that knight is a world beater but i think he is durable and hungry enough to outlast skelly at 100% and outpace him to win rd2 and 3 if their is no finish.
 
Luca comparing JJ/Andrade to Dillashaw/Lineker might be the worst comparison of the year
 
Skelly always gasses, it's not just a product of his training camp like he states it. The first fight with bektic I didn't notice it. But his next fight he blamed it on the quick turnaround but he couldn't even get it together for the post fight interview, he was sucking wind. I think someone said they didn't notice it during the Souza fight but I thought he was dead going into the second round until he got that strange submission out of no where where it looked like Souza was gonna take over and pound him out at the end of round 1. Same with Elkins, Elkins was a huge underdog live bet after round 1 but it went as history suggests and skelly gassed. I think skelly is as his physical presence suggests and he lacks the athletic attributes to compete for 3 rounds against this tier of athletes. Not that knight is a world beater but i think he is durable and hungry enough to outlast skelly at 100% and outpace him to win rd2 and 3 if their is no finish.

Pretty much same thoughts. When someone gasses the way he does, it's almost like he hits a brick wall. I just don't think he'll have an easy time here. Kawijiri honestly didn't have an easy time with a short notice Knight.
 
I havent been around here much lately but Im taking Andrade and Maia here for small bets.

I cant believe Maia is the dog. He is way bigger than Jorge and if he takes to the ground it will not be pretty for the cuban. I think Maia worst matchup are powerful wrestlers with 1 punch KO power (hello Woodley!) and that is not the case with Masvidal.

And I think Andrade will have her way here... and I fucking love Joanna Champion but this is her fight to lose.
 
Skelly is weird to get a read on. Even vs Alers he was looking out of place but he put him out with an awkward looking punch. For that he always finds a way to win, even when it looks ugly. So the guy always finds a way to win and that's an attribute. I just think knight is the guy tough enough to not let that happen and his mindset so far seems to support that
 
Really big on Maia here. Half of my bankroll.

Can't understand how he's an underdog, I guess because Masvidal is coming off of the biggest win of his career?

This reminds me of when Maiai fought Condit, and was only -110. I know Masvidal's TDD is a bit better than Condit's, but even at -200 odds, I'd still take Maia without hesitation in this fight.
 
Regarding Jorge and Maia .... Final thoughts:

Going back and watching Jorge, one of the things that you notice is just how damn good his TDD is. Even going back to when he was a '55er and fighting Khabilov ...Not only did he nullify almost every takedown, but he was taking Rustam down!!

The thing is, going back and watching Maia over the last two years, he has taken everyone down with the overwhelming majority of them staying there. Most opposition has looked helpless vs.Maia to be exact. The only fighter to have prolonged success was Rory MacDonald. In the first round Maia did get the TD and he dominated Rory, but after that Rory stayed on the outside using a very long jab that touched Maia up and made it possible for the Canuck to stuff the shots. Sprawling and brawling like Chuck Liddell circa 2003 made it possible for Rory to stay out of the spiderweb. Ultimately by around three Maia was exhausted and Rory smashed him in the later minutes of the fight. Jorge is more similar to Rory then anyone else who Damien Maia has for the last three years.

Jorge has much more in common with Rory ..unlike guys like Carlos Condit and Matt Brown whose straight up Muay Thai stance. allows Maia to shoot right through them. Nevertheless, Jorge is still going to have to fight for his life as Maia has various types of takedowns. The way he weaves his leg around yours like a snake and takes your back is exceptionally proficient. He also has terrific single leg takedown's, lateral drops and will even pull guard and then look for an immediate sweep.

I do believe that Maia will be able to find a way to use his size advantage to drag Gamebred to the mat Once he gets the ATT fighter down Jorge is going to feel like he has fallen into quicksand with a pit of vipers. Worst case scenario for Maia is that he locks up a body-triangle and has control for the entire round. Best case scenario is that he finds an early submission. If Jorge can't make Maia work hard for the takedown in round one then he ishe is not going to take a enough out of the Brazilians gas tank to stop the same exact thing from happening in the second frame.

That said, if he can survive to the third it will get very interesting as I mentioned earlier.

That's the other thing, Maia slows down exponentially. IMO Jorge r3 is a really good prop bet. Another play I like is the draw. .. Maia could the takedown in round one and keeps Jorge on his back for a a 10-8 with Jorge winning the next two 10-9 for a draw. Alternatively, Maia can win the first two rounds 10-9 but gas and survive in round 3 with Jorge still fresh and putting a 10-8 beating on Maia in the final stage.

Ultimately I think Maia gets it done again. They used to have a saying about NFL wide receiver Chris Carter, that "all he did was catch touchdowns". Well, all Demien Maia does is win fights. He's not flashy but he's technical, he's a specialist, and you don't hear much about him when he is not fighting. This could explain why he is consistently flying under the radar. Alternatively Jorge is brash and coming off a bit of destruction against Cowboy. The recent performance plus the success that Robert Whittaker just had against Jacare has moved the needle into Masvidal's favor I believe. As such we are getting good odds on Maia.

PREDICTION: Maia x DEC
 
Why has the Benitez vs Bazola line moved so much?

I think Barzola can wrestle tom a decision. He's one of my upset plays....... . Here is my original BD if you're interested.
145lbs- GABRIEL BENITEZ (19-6-0) vs ENRIQUE BARZOLA (13-3-1)

A member of the inaugural season of TUF: "Latin America, "Moggly" entered the house as a popular dark-horse candidate to win the competition. Unfortunately, the Mexican martial artist had his run cut short after breaking his hand in a victorious semifinals contest against tournament runner-up Leonardo Morales.

A member of the estimable American Kickboxing Academy, Benitez is an extremely well rounded fighter who is competent both striking and grappling. A southpaw, Benitez is unorthodox by nature and his best weapon on the feet is a straight left down the pipe. His potent kicking attack is able to do major damage. Specifically, his rear left body kick is the one weapon in his war chest that he utilizes as well as any bantamweight on the roster. The kicking game is complimented by his robust handiwork which is sharp as a steel bear-trap. Meanwhile, on the mat Moggly's grappling is extremely fluid. He has an excellent top game, surfing the body seamlessly while his guard is sneakily dangerous.

The one area that has held him back is a fundamental lack of discipline. Particularly, this refers to his lackadaisical approach to the dangers possessed by his opposition. Especially early in the fight. His propensity to get out of the blocks slow has led to his last three losses coming in the opening stanza. This is usually curable through maturity and following his latest first round loss to Andre Fili, the Tijuana native mentioned promised changes. At 28 years old he looks be entering the prime of his career and he has won 5 of his last 6 looking better in each ensuing outing.

Peru’s Enrique Barzola became the first non-Mexican to win a TUF: "Latin America" tournament and was progressing rapidly before he dropped a controversial split decision to Kyle Bochniak in Vancouver. The Peruvian bounced back nicely though with a win over Diaz brothers running mate Chris Avila in Mexico City last November. The 28-year-old is a quick and explosive athlete. An effective wrestler, Barzola has an excellent knack for hitting the reactive blast double-leg takedown. He also works a nice single leg takedown which she runs the pipe well to finish with a high altitude slam. and finishes with authority. In the striking department he has surprising speed and is great at parrying the jab and working counters.

Each time I'll pay you look significantly more confident in the stand up and his versatile striking helps him implement his takedowns. He has five wins via KO and four by submission which demonstrates his diversity.

The aforementioned versatility is what has me leaning towards the Peruvian. He can hold his own on the feet and blends his wrestling with his striking quite well. The threat of the takedown should muzzle Benitez’s usual kicking onslaught and Barzola has the cardio to grapple all night. He outworks Benitez to a clear decision win.

Prediction: Barzola via unanimous decision
 
Thanks for the input. I'm on Knight though, I was just curious on your thoughts. I honestly feel Skelly has something wrong with him in regards to cardio - similar to lil' Ellenberger.

I won hundred percent understand what you're saying and would not be surprised in the slightest if he completely fades and loses the last two rounds. I can see that happening very clearly. That's why I'm not especially big ones him here.
 
Idk if your talking about a line movment that happened recently, but I think it's because Benitez opened up to high. If anyone is going to give him a hard time, it's a grinder/wrestler. They're also both improving every fight, to me it shouldn't be much higher then a pickem.

this ^^
 
Any JDS backers want to give their analysis/breakdown of why they're going with him? JDS really stayed in that first fight on durability alone in the first 2 rounds and later in the 5th. Don't know if I like the odds of him starting faster to avoid that or doing that again.
 
Regarding Jorge and Maia .... Final thoughts:

Going back and watching Jorge, one of the things that you notice is just how damn good his TDD is. Even going back to when he was a '55er and fighting Khabilov ...Not only did he nullify almost every takedown, but he was taking Rustam down!!

The thing is, going back and watching Maia over the last two years, he has taken everyone down with the overwhelming majority of them staying there. Most opposition has looked helpless vs.Maia to be exact. The only fighter to have prolonged success was Rory MacDonald. In the first round Maia did get the TD and he dominated Rory, but after that Rory stayed on the outside using a very long jab that touched Maia up and made it possible for the Canuck to stuff the shots. Sprawling and brawling like Chuck Liddell circa 2003 made it possible for Rory to stay out of the spiderweb. Ultimately by around three Maia was exhausted and Rory smashed him in the later minutes of the fight. Jorge is more similar to Rory then anyone else who Damien Maia has for the last three years.

Jorge has much more in common with Rory ..unlike guys like Carlos Condit and Matt Brown whose straight up Muay Thai stance. allows Maia to shoot right through them. Nevertheless, Jorge is still going to have to fight for his life as Maia has various types of takedowns. The way he weaves his leg around yours like a snake and takes your back is exceptionally proficient. He also has terrific single leg takedown's, lateral drops and will even pull guard and then look for an immediate sweep.

I do believe that Maia will be able to find a way to use his size advantage to drag Gamebred to the mat Once he gets the ATT fighter down Jorge is going to feel like he has fallen into quicksand with a pit of vipers. Worst case scenario for Maia is that he locks up a body-triangle and has control for the entire round. Best case scenario is that he finds an early submission. If Jorge can't make Maia work hard for the takedown in round one then he ishe is not going to take a enough out of the Brazilians gas tank to stop the same exact thing from happening in the second frame.

That said, if he can survive to the third it will get very interesting as I mentioned earlier.

That's the other thing, Maia slows down exponentially. IMO Jorge r3 is a really good prop bet. Another play I like is the draw. .. Maia could the takedown in round one and keeps Jorge on his back for a a 10-8 with Jorge winning the next two 10-9 for a draw. Alternatively, Maia can win the first two rounds 10-9 but gas and survive in round 3 with Jorge still fresh and putting a 10-8 beating on Maia in the final stage.

Ultimately I think Maia gets it done again. They used to have a saying about NFL wide receiver Chris Carter, that "all he did was catch touchdowns". Well, all Demien Maia does is win fights. He's not flashy but he's technical, he's a specialist, and you don't hear much about him when he is not fighting. This could explain why he is consistently flying under the radar. Alternatively Jorge is brash and coming off a bit of destruction against Cowboy. The recent performance plus the success that Robert Whittaker just had against Jacare has moved the needle into Masvidal's favor I believe. As such we are getting good odds on Maia.

PREDICTION: Maia x DEC

Yea. I'm pumping brakes a bit on Maia. Will be a smal bet.

I do think it was Rory size that helped him. While Mas doesn't have it

But people acting like 1 side is easier to pick than the other are crazy

Maia has had what? A 30 second fight in how long? He's a bit of a gasser already and Mas is the EXACT type of fighter that could turn up the heat in rd 3

Literally nothing would surprise me much. Either guy winning or even a draw like u say
 
Has anyone figured out what rules they are using tomorrow? I'm watching the weigh-in show on DVR hoping that they mention it.

The UFC should have an obligation to state the rules being used at the bottom of each fucking fight card
 
Any JDS backers want to give their analysis/breakdown of why they're going with him? JDS really stayed in that first fight on durability alone in the first 2 rounds and later in the 5th. Don't know if I like the odds of him starting faster to avoid that or doing that again.


In a better spot now than he has been in awhile. Seems to have found the fire a bit again. He won the first fight even when he was going through his shitty performances. He's faster. He has the TDD. He showed in the first fight he could even take Stipe down. Coaches are also talking about grappling maybe.

Stipe has done great lately but is getting tagged a lot still.
 
Guys, I need thoughts on Sherman / Coulter.
They are just even right now, although I cap Sherman as a slight favorite.
Am I missing something?
 
leites was out of shape and gassed like mad

i like jotko in general. i do. he's CLEARLY improved since his early ufc fights. no doubt.

but branch is damned solid everywhere and again, i think he'll win the clinch. stronger dude, better ground game, and i honestly think he can box just fine w/jotko

Branch loves the wall and stall. Both his brothers are boxers. He's a solid fighter.

But so is jotko. And jotko has been fighting better competition. Wondering if branch will be feeling the pressure of the octagon return.

I initially bet on jotko. Really like the way he handled leites against the cage. Grant it, Thales did tire after the first round but jotko did a great job controlling him
 
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