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Screw using kimuras, try using punctuation. Immediate results.i wish i used kimuras more i always felt theyw ere a strong man move i at least need to learn the kimura trap system to get the back ect that is something i need to earn in the future to help my grappling more i have vagner rochas dvd on it just havent seen yet
yeh, i never understood the kimura being a strong man move to be honest
is it due to you not putting enough pressure to turn the guys hips? i know some amazing vids for you if thats the caseI am embarrassed my how garbage my top side control game is. I just don't have an effective gi choke game, and my main strategy is to attempt to mount.
However this kimura setup has always been my bread and butter submission. In the gi, once you grab their arm, you can grab your own gi to make it even tighter.
It all comes from Marcelo Garcia, he was salty as fuck Jacare subbed him by ripping out a DWL from bottom closed guard, so he started saying all DWLs everywhere in general are a 'strong-man' move to cope.
that and him hating head arm chokes when got darced by drysdale but tbh
lots thought kimura was strong guy move besides that before we had the tec we do now u hardly ever saw guys hit it who wernt strong
no thanks its more fun to me to come off this way but being a black belt still lolScrew using kimuras, try using punctuation. Immediate results.
well isnt like gracies hated the kimura they named the move after him and added to their system they just wernt might i say very good with it on a competition levelThere were people with the tech, but it wasn't people in the Gracie Gang. Which was probably another factor behind the meme.
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well isnt like gracies hated the kimura they named the move after him and added to their system they just wernt might i say very good with it on a competition level
catch wrestlers back a decade and longer were known to have the better kimuras and americanas but it was good luck to try to find one
The point itself; there weren't a whole lot of guys actually skilled at DWLs in bjj for a good while, so the idea of it being a 'noob tech' 'strength move' 'low status object used by low status out-group members unlike high status objects use by high status in-group members like myself' et cetera et cetera, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy - up to the extent that the underlying inherency of more essentially effective maneuvers are eventually converged upon in competitive environments in spite of such.
You could say attitudes about scarf-hold or leg entanglements in general are another example of this dynamic.
Typical submissions used in bjj from early days were arm bars and rncs, and triangles to a lesser extent. The arm bar was something everyone went for, top and bottom. It was 'the' thing most thought of when thinking of 'submission move'. Comparatively, understanding of things like DWLs or front-headlock attacks or leg locks was much less nuanced, and took time to filter in as more guys had more success with more visibility.
You know, the most influential guy on the trajectory of bjj in the last decade wasn't John Danaher... it was Eddie Bravo. Why? Because it was he who created the platform for putting leg entanglement based styles on display in the first place. There were pretty much no high profile competition outlets that allowed heel hooks besides the ADCC, which only took place every two years and is highly rarefied to boot anyways. It was through EBI that people first saw Gary Tonon, and then Eddie Cummings, and then Gordon Ryan, competing and winning on a big stage with lots of eyeballs against multiple opponents in the same night, using leg entanglements to do it. It put the blue basement boys on the map, and by extension, leg attacks as a whole suddenly got anointed with the oil of acceptability in beej circles, a massive shift in operational trends.
eddies guys d leg locks but tbh eddie himself admitted he didnt come up with systems eddie does weird leg attacks like slicers or split like ones iv never seen eddie teaching leg attacks like we are using today
to me eddie is like bruce lee bruce lee just gave a broad idea saying use what works lol and people call him yoda for it which is funny
eddie just said guys need to try to evolve no gi that no gi is a different game from gi but marcelo garcia was the one who came out and put some muscle behind that using the arm drag the seat belt back rnc butterfly/x guard famed and his guillotines
I’m curious about the videos of this, if you don’t mind posting them.is it due to you not putting enough pressure to turn the guys hips? i know some amazing vids for you if thats the case