Who's the greatest NBA point guard?

Who's the greatest NBA point guard?

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Curry is a liability as a PG on defense and shouldn't even be on this list.
 
panamaican said:
No, they are 2 different things. Running the offense and scoring within the offense are different. Stockton ran the offense better than Steph runs the offense. THere are point guards that run the offense and score but Steph isn't better at running the offense than Stockton was. And Stockton was the better defensive guard as well. So other than scoring within the offense, Curry doesn't play point guard better than Stockton. He's a more impactful player but not a better point guard.
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No they aren’t. In 2022 your point guard is expected to be able to score. Even Chris Paul is a scorer he just isn’t option 1. Steph runs and is the offense. Everything goes through him. Same with guys like Harden or John Wall even if they’re lesser versions of themselves.
 
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Vogg said:
No they aren’t. In 2022 your point guard is expected to be able to score. Even Chris Paul is a scorer he just isn’t option 1. Steph runs and is the offense. Everything goes through him. Same with guys like Harden or John Wall even if they’re lesser versions of themselves.
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Again, running the point is not just scoring. A player can score at a high level but not be elite at other parts of being a point guard.

This does not mean that being the point guard excludes scoring. It includes more than just scoring. LBJ runs the offense and scores. Chris Paul runs the offense and scores. John Wall runs the offense and scores...but John Wall doesn't run the offense anywhere near as well as CP3, even though he scores about the same as CP3. CP3 is the better point guard because of the non-scoring responsibilities, not the scoring stuff.

John Stockton is better at the non-scoring responsibilities of being the point guard than Curry. That's not debatable.
 
panamaican said:
No, they are 2 different things. Running the offense and scoring within the offense are different. Stockton ran the offense better than Steph runs the offense. THere are point guards that run the offense and score but Steph isn't better at running the offense than Stockton was. And Stockton was the better defensive guard as well. So other than scoring within the offense, Curry doesn't play point guard better than Stockton. He's a more impactful player but not a better point guard.
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ridiculous. steph is the entire warriors offense. without him, they’re a top 3 pick in the lottery and the worst offense in the league. diddler malone by himself could have carried the jazz to the playoffs. stockton’s entire legacy is built on having two nba all-time records that really only exemplify what is accomplishable when you don’t get injured and play for 20 years. does he deserve credit for reaching that goal? sure, but as an overall basketball player, he’s not touching the all time greats
 
panamaican said:
John Stockton is better at the non-scoring responsibilities of being the point guard than Curry. That's not debatable.
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curry is a similar level on-ball defender & can collapse the defense for playmaking WAY better. stockton was better at playing passing lanes & poking balls free, that’s literally it.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
ridiculous. steph is the entire warriors offense. without him, they’re a top 3 pick in the lottery and the worst offense in the league. diddler malone by himself could have carried the jazz to the playoffs. stockton’s entire legacy is built on having two nba all-time records that really only exemplify what is accomplishable when you don’t get injured and play for 20 years. does he deserve credit for reaching that goal? sure, but as an overall basketball player, he’s not touching the all time greats
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It's pretty clear you guys don't understand what it means to run the offense, as opposed to be most important player in the offense. Jordan was the entire Bulls offense but he didn't run the offense. Scottie ran the offense, except for brief period early in MJ's career where Doug Collins moved MJ to the point...so he could run the offense and score. They stopped asking MJ to run the offense when they brought in legitimate pgs and later Scottie.

James Harden ran the Houston offense but he wasn't the point guard. In Philly, he no longer runs the offense, even though he's still expected to be an elite scorer. LBJ ran the Cavs offense, even though Kyrie was the pg and an elite scorer.

In old school basketball, centers were the elite scorers while pgs ran the offense. Now elite scorers are also asked to run the offense. But in GSW, Steph sometimes runs the offense and sometimes Draymond runs it, but Steph isn't as good at running GSW's offense as Stockton was at running Utah's.

You and the other guy keep confusing scoring with playing pg. It's like saying that LBJ is a better Center than Zydrunas was because LBJ scored more than Big Z and averaged similar rebounding numbers. No, Z was a better Center, LBJ was a better overall player.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
curry is a similar level on-ball defender & can collapse the defense for playmaking WAY better. stockton was better at playing passing lanes & poking balls free, that’s literally it.
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In what world was Steph a better on ball defender? Steph doesn't get the credit he deserves but he's not elite. Stockton was an elite on ball defender. Utah's defensive philosophy was built about Stockton's ability to play 1v1 defense.
 
panamaican said:
It's pretty clear you guys don't understand what it means to run the offense, as opposed to be most important player in the offense.
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i understand the difference, im saying being the most important player matters more. you are plainly attributing the status of “point guard” to mean “guy who sets up the offense” rather than “player who plays the point guard position.” this is what the whole disagreement is.
Jordan was the entire Bulls offense but he didn't run the offense. Scottie ran the offense, except for brief period early in MJ's career where Doug Collins moved MJ to the point...so he could run the offense and score.
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so the small forward was the point guard to you. that’s precisely the problem here.
JAmes Harden ran the Houston offense but he wasn't the point guard. LBJ ran the Cavs offense, even though Kyrie was the pg and an elite scorer.
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you’re exactly right. now look at the question you’re being asked.

In old school basketball, centers were the elite scorers while pgs ran the offense. Now elite scorers are also asked to run the offense. But in GSW, Steph sometimes runs the offense and sometimes Draymond runs it, but Steph isn't as good at running GSW's offense as Stockton was at running Utah's.
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the offense ran through malone quite a bit of the time. him drawing double teams opened up half of their offense. it’s the reason he was able to average 3-5 assists a year while being a pedestrian passer.
You and the other guy keep confusing scoring with playing pg.
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actually you’re doing the exact opposite with stockton. you have something in your head saying point guards have to run an offense and nothing else and if they don’t, they might as well not be a PG when that changed 20 years ago. as soon as guys like steve francis and marbury and arenas came in the game, that position changed completely. point guards can come in any mold, and i’d take a steph curry on my team over stockton 10/10 times.
 
panamaican said:
Again, running the point is not just scoring. A player can score at a high level but not be elite at other parts of being a point guard.

This does not mean that being the point guard excludes scoring. It includes more than just scoring. LBJ runs the offense and scores. Chris Paul runs the offense and scores. John Wall runs the offense and scores...but John Wall doesn't run the offense anywhere near as well as CP3, even though he scores about the same as CP3. CP3 is the better point guard because of the non-scoring responsibilities, not the scoring stuff.

John Stockton is better at the non-scoring responsibilities of being the point guard than Curry. That's not debatable.
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I never said running the point is scoring but scoring is part of running the point. Kyrie is another example. In the nba the running the offense or being an engine can be interchangeable. Stockton was dog shit because he wasn’t going to dominate any match up. That’s why most of his bullshit came off of running the pick n roll to Malone. That’s not being an elite guard and spreading the floor. That’s 1970s offense.

Chris Paul is better are running outside in offenses but he doesn’t drive as well as Harden, Wall, Kyrie or Morant. They’re all responsible for making those offenses work in different ways. Kyrie spreads defenders and sets up iso for Durant. That’s way harder in todays nba than just running a pick n roll. Elite wings murder basic jump shots and movement. You’re comparing a guy who played in an era where a 9 second release was possible. This romanticizing about what a point guard is when it hasn’t been the same position since like 1999 is astounding. Gilbert Arenas was better than Stockton. Ain’t no way around it.
 
panamaican said:
In what world was Steph a better on ball defender? Steph doesn't get the credit he deserves but he's not elite. Stockton was an elite on ball defender. Utah's defensive philosophy was built about Stockton's ability to play 1v1 defense.
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stockton was absolutely not an elite on ball defender. he was great at forcing turnovers. stockton was pretty average as an on-ball defender. his career defensive rating is solid but carried by his first few years in the league. in his prime, his defensive rating was literally average & that was WHILE he was getting 3-4 steals a game. he was not a great defender, you play too much 2k man.
 
Vogg said:
Tbf they all suck on defense lol
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for the most part, sure, and all three have had moments. to single curry out for some reason doesn’t make much sense when someone like nash is there though lol
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
for the most part, sure, and all three have had moments. to single curry out for some reason doesn’t make much sense when someone like nash is there though lol
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True, they’ve at least found ways to switch off curry and let him cut off passing lanes instead of getting bodied by elite wings. Good they have draymond and klay tbh
 
Vogg said:
True, they’ve at least found ways to switch off curry and let him cut off passing lanes instead of getting bodied by elite wings. Good they have draymond and klay tbh
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and he does that just as well as john stockton imo stockton poked the ball free much better, usually digging on post plays, but steph is great at getting in the passing lanes and coming up with steals
 
None of these jabronis. The correct answer is Russell Westbrook.
 
Vogg said:
They aren’t. This isn’t 1993 where nobody can shoot.
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Calm down. The 3PT% last year was a paltry 2.1% better than in 1993, and overall FG% was lower because they took so many of those.
 
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