Opinion Why do liberals criticize Trump's spending while proposing more spending?

[Hollywood Jack]

Because they know their voter base (Marxists/Socialists) is terrible at math and can't put it together.

Which is why most economists are Keynesian or Marxist, right? Can't do math, don't know the numbers, right? What they really need is fundamentalist faith in the magic of the free market.

 

[giusti825]

Watching conservatives argue with libertarians is almost as fun as watching progressives argue with neoliberals......

Both arguments feature one side of the speaking logically on matters of principles, consistency and pragmatism......and the other side with zero logic and double standards everywhere.....

 

[TheOldMan]

The ole "I don't have shit but name calling left because I just got destroyed by facts" response.

Maybe it's time to take your ball and go home.

 

[kenetics]

Can someone please explain this to me. I'm sure there is reason to it, like SS to offset military spending. I'd like to see something like cutting stuff to help with flowers!

They really need to cut military spending. That's shit has been out of control for years .

 

[Damien Karras]

It’s not. Trump stepped into a great economy, gave meaningless tax cuts that did nothing, then took credit for something he didn’t build.

Also, the only metric used by Trump fans to measure economic health is the stock market. Name me one single reputable economist that would get behind that

 

[Philo-Publius]

Which is why most economists are Keynesian or Marxist, right? Can't do math, don't know the numbers, right? What they really need is fundamentalist faith in the magic of the free market.

Sound mathematics.

"Magic." lol

Keynesianism does not equal Socialism, but too much Keynesianism is a bad thing.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

One just cannot logically explain the actions of nowadays "liberals" or "democrats".
The radical left are just destroying everything in their way, and they dont care for laws or Constitution.
Stop them if you can.

Sounds like something someone on the radical right would say.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Go to any country club and you’ll find plenty millionaires on Medicare who could afford their own insurance.

So are you proposing limiting those who are eligible and not cutting funding?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

That's all a product of your delusional TDS.

The common "gotcha" zinger of trying to say conservatives are lying hypocrites about fiscal responsibility is mostly liberal rhetoric. For instance, they LOVE saying how much Reagan spent but ignore the outspent the soviet union and won the cold war because of it. Every time I take a look at the context this trope falls apart.

But I'd like to point out the irony in you bringing that up during a contest about hypocrisy though lol. You scream to the heavens if Republicans turn a blind eye to spending, but under the Obama administrations savage foreign policy that destroyed the middle east with slavery and war, the left couldn't stop jerking eachother off about Bush!! Completely ignoring what "Arab Spring" was, what "arming moderate rebels" meant etc.

I'm the motherfucker that can go on and on. You can barely come up with a single example I can't shred up and wipe my ass with.

Your second part is an even bigger and more misleading lie. Obama being a liberal like Trudeau experienced unprecedented fawning and hypocritical cognitive dissonance during his corrupt reign of sleazbaggery.

It has been noted by many that the comedy world essentially froze in their seats for 8 years while everyone pretended the guy was actually better than Bush. You are just upset because there were still voices of dissent that the left hadn't silenced and leftists can't handle that so they get hysterical and lie about everything.

The left has become a cult of hypocrisy. That's what happens when you dehumanize all "others" who don't think like you.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Go to any country club and you’ll find plenty millionaires on Medicare who could afford their own insurance.

You are advocating cutting a social program because your parents don't need it. What percent of the population do you think are living life like that?
How about the rest of America that aren't millionaires, or don't have patents to live off of?

It's like Klobuchar and Butteigieg's silly argument of "no free college for rich kids". It's a social program. Everyone pitches in, and everyone can benefit from it. We don't exclude rich people from public elementary schools just because they can afford to send their kids to a fancy private school.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Sound mathematics.

"Magic." lol

Keynesianism does not equal Socialism, but too much Keynesianism is a bad thing.

I'm not a socialist, but I have a realistic view of the market, not a fundamentalist religious view.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Which is why most economists are Keynesian or Marxist, right?

This is like saying that most people have two or three hands.

 

[Joe]

Its incredible how the right doesn't think cutting taxes and increasing spending doesn't cost anything or increases the debt

 

[Trotsky]

Sound mathematics.

"Magic." lol

Keynesianism does not equal Socialism, but too much Keynesianism is a bad thing.

Yikes, pretty lazy stuff.

Other than exchanging breadline pictures, we could, of course, post comparative malnutrition rates during the 2008 GFC or just photos of actual grocery stores in communist countries, but it's pretty obvious that anyone who posts idiotic boomer memes isn't capable, let alone willing, of engaging in honest conversation.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

This is like saying that most people have two or three hands.

Not really. I was pointing out that the vast majority of economists are on the left, to varying degrees. In contrast to conservatives claiming that left wingers don't understand economics or math or whatever bullshit they come up with.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Not really. I was pointing out that the vast majority of economists are on the left, to varying degrees. In contrast to conservatives claiming that left wingers don't understand economics or math or whatever bullshit they come up with.

My point is that Marxism is discredited quackery that is not taken seriously by anyone serious, while pretty much every economist is in some sense Keynesian. Your statement was literally true only because the "Keynesian" half of the statement was doing all of the work. I would agree that orthodox right-wing positions on economics are as bad as Marxism and are similarly discredited.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

My point is that Marxism is discredited quackery that is not taken seriously by anyone serious, while pretty much every economist is in some sense Keynesian. Your statement was literally true only because the "Keynesian" half of the statement was doing all of the work. I would agree that orthodox right-wing positions on economics are as bad as Marxism and are similarly discredited.

I essentially agree about economics, but that was never my point. I feel I've already explained it enough. I would also argue that Marxist economists like Richard Wolff as well as philosophers like Zizek are taken pretty seriously. Wolff just debated Klugman on Democracy Now! There are plenty of Marxist intellectuals held in high esteem. Hell, Platitude Pete's father was one of them.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I essentially agree about economics, but that was never my point. I feel I've already explained it enough.

That's fine. I was just saying that the statement "most economists are Marxist or Keynesian" is like saying "most people have two or three hands." Literally true, but deceptive, and for the same reason.

 

[bref]

Some of you folks are so willingly stupid and tribal it's mind boggling.

 

[Trotsky]

My point is that Marxism is discredited quackery that is not taken seriously by anyone serious

"Guys, the single most cited person in all of academia is a discredited quack. He's such a discredited quack that professors devote copious amounts of time - in fact twice as much as is devoted to any other figure in related fields - in their philosophy, sociology, and economics courses to discrediting his quackery. That persons in high positions across elite educational institutions hold him in high regard is because they're super dumb.

I'm not a hack btw."

Of course, you couldn't just say "Marxism doesn't entail hard economics in the way that Keynesianism does, since the solidification of economics as a harder science didn't come about until around the 1930s, a good half a century after Karl Marx's death." That would be too uncontroversial and accurate.