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Full tape done, 2u Dunham -104, waiting for props as well.
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Full tape done, 2u Dunham -104, waiting for props as well.
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Why Dunham?
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Cause he is a lock, why else do you bet on someone?
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No kidding!
And kicking steel pipes on some homemade contraption too. But still, Ferg has missed one fight during his whole career because of an injury while Khabib has failed to show up in four of his last eight scheduled fights.
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seriously? source me please
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Dude, I'm a Tony fan and he does some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. There's no way to explain it away or justify it. From using his back while deadlifting (evidently he's been coached and fixed that) to kicking the steel lined pipes to (I'm not making this up) elbowing a solid metal weight rack--I don't know. I guess he feels it makes him tough and there's some method to his madness...I guess? It's astounding he has only pulled out of one fight ever in his career due to injury, given the stuff he does that's a miracle.
Whatever, it works for him I guess. But man you see it and are like...WTF is he DOING???
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Not to mention he went into the mountains and assembled all the gym equipment himself (With help I'm sure). Nothing exceeds like excess, right? Maniac lol.
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A huge aspect of the fight game is mental obviously. I guess even if it's just the placebo affect that has Tony convinced he's just "harder" than all the guys he fights, it obviously works for him. It all sort of suits his style too. I truly think he goes into every fight thinking "One of us is going to be broken in here tonight. And I am SURE it is not going to be me."
It's not gonna lead to longevity though, because as locked in as you might be in your head, your body can't take the shit he does to himself for too long before it starts to break down.
It's fun as hell to watch for now though...
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Oh he loves it. He's always posting on Instagram about doing "extra credit". If the goal is 10 miles, he'll run 12. It's a bit strange sometimes and erratic but like you say, if it works for him it works for him. Ferg is a fantastic fighter to watch. I still remember jumping out of my seat in hysteria when he knocked out Justin Edwards on TUF.
Not to ramble on but all the talk and questions, points and counter points, do's and dont's, win streaks and potential holes are what makes the matchup between Ferg and Khabib the most interesting matchup you can make in the LW division and maybe in the whole of the UFC frankly. I haven't been this excited for a fight in a bit of time.
Not to ramble on but all the talk and questions, points and counter points, do's and dont's, win streaks and potential holes are what makes the matchup between Ferg and Khabib the most interesting matchup you can make in the LW division and maybe in the whole of the UFC frankly. I haven't been this excited for a fight in a bit of time.
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Was doing a bit of research into how much age plays a factor in staying competitive in the sport and found this article:
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/1/...t-month-spreadsheet-data-roster-mma-editorial
Really confirms the general perception that lighter weight classes are a younger man's sport and that heavier weight classes are good for veterans.
The list is from last year but here it is. I did a recalculation for the top 10 for lightweight (per Tapology) and the average age for LW has dropped to 30.1.
Average Age of Top 10 Fighters by Division (As of 2017.1.10)
FLW: 29.9
BW: 30.8
FW: 29.9
LW: 32.2 (now 30.1)
WW: 33.7
MW: 34.8
LHW: 34.3
HW: 34.4
This may be helpful information in identifying fighters who might be ageing out of competition at a particular weight class. Of course there will be outliers but the numbers help for handicapping purposes.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/1/...t-month-spreadsheet-data-roster-mma-editorial
Really confirms the general perception that lighter weight classes are a younger man's sport and that heavier weight classes are good for veterans.
The list is from last year but here it is. I did a recalculation for the top 10 for lightweight (per Tapology) and the average age for LW has dropped to 30.1.
Average Age of Top 10 Fighters by Division (As of 2017.1.10)
FLW: 29.9
BW: 30.8
FW: 29.9
LW: 32.2 (now 30.1)
WW: 33.7
MW: 34.8
LHW: 34.3
HW: 34.4
This may be helpful information in identifying fighters who might be ageing out of competition at a particular weight class. Of course there will be outliers but the numbers help for handicapping purposes.
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More like #SnapCity than #SnapJitsu
Still, the only really dangerous exercise there was the bosu ball trap bar deadlifts. The rest were just core stabilization exercises where the biggest issue is how helpful they really are.
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Why is he a lock? Olivier Got grapplING advantage
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Irony can be tough to understand online
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Naah man, I know it was irony but if he is such a smart ass than let him explain.
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I've been getting lazy with my own write-ups lately and performance has suffered slightly because of it. Here's one for Dunham vs OAM
Evan Dunham vs Olivier Aubin-Mercier breakdown
Striking:
Both guys are southpaw fighters. Dunham is the more natural striker, with great punching accuracy, good composure in the pocket, and high output. Throws diverse 3 and 4 punch combos. He has to throw combos because unfortunately Dunham's hand speed is problem. While he was able to outstrike RDA in their fight in 2013 his style since has been best suited for overwhelming slower and less mobile fighters like Rick Glenn and the aging Lauzon. His kicking ability is average.
OAM's on the opposite end of the spectrum. Never looking very comfortable in an exchange, OAM makes up for it by staying technical and looking for single strike opportunities. His striking output is very low, landing an abysmal 2.67 strikes per minute (nearly half of Dunham's output). The silver lining here is that when OAM lands, it's often a clean shot that registers with the viewers (and judges). He seems to have fast hands, and his timing on punches and counters has improved throughout his last fights, looking impressive particularly against Dober and at points against Martin. OAM possesses a fast and powerful left kick.
Dunham should have a clear advantage in striking exchanges here. But OAM may impress if he fights to his advantages. As the faster fighter with a good left kick, he can try to keep this fight at distance and spam leg kicks to Dunham's lead leg. He can use his mobility to exit from exchanges before Dunham is able to complete his combinations and potshot from distance. Either OAM would have to have improved his striking a bit to make this work, or Dunham would have to have slowed down (possible now that Dunham is 36 and has over 13 years of fights).
Grappling:
Dunham is a BJJ black belt, and is pretty slick on the ground. Although coming close to locking in an RNC against Glenn recently, he hasn't won by submission since 2010. He has always been stronger than his frame would suggest, looking good in grappling exchanges against the huge Tibau and even RDA. This again was in 2013, and we can expect him to be a little less physical now, but he also controlled Pearson and Glenn on the ground more recently. He has decent single and double leg takedowns in the middle of the cage, but needs to time them well to complete.
OAM is a BJJ brown belt and a black belt in judo. This is pretty apparent when you see him clinch up with his opponents against the cage and muscle them down to the mat with a variety of trips and throws. His back taking and back control is excellent. OAM also has a good top control game, especially against the cage where he can stack even experienced grapplers (BJJ black belt Tony Martin couldn't do anything in this position, for instance). Part of the reason for his grappling success is that he's just a big and strong dude. He always looks a weight class bigger than his opponent.
Judging strength is always a guessing game until match itself, but my guess is that OAM will have the advantage here if the two were to clinch up. I doubt either will be shooting takedowns in the center of the cage.
Intangibles:
The line opened with Dunham the -180 favorite. This makes a lot of sense considering his advantage in striking, his performances over tougher competition, and his relentless toughness. He's a huge test for OAM who, until beating Martin, was mostly just a non-contender filling up spots in Canadian cards. OAM hasn't won a fight in America (or outside of Canada for that matter). However, given OAM's constant improvement, his physicality, and the help of Zahabi in his corner and preparing him for this fight, this might be a spot where the young guy can win a big fight against the aging Dunham who, at 36, can only be slowing down at this point in his career.
If I were to play Dunham, I'd probably wait to make a live bet since he usually starts off slow and comes on stronger in the later rounds, when his opponent has slowed down enough for him to really impose his game. Another reason would be to get a bit more information on how much OAM's improved and how much Dunham has slowed down, if at all.
Evan Dunham vs Olivier Aubin-Mercier breakdown
Striking:
Both guys are southpaw fighters. Dunham is the more natural striker, with great punching accuracy, good composure in the pocket, and high output. Throws diverse 3 and 4 punch combos. He has to throw combos because unfortunately Dunham's hand speed is problem. While he was able to outstrike RDA in their fight in 2013 his style since has been best suited for overwhelming slower and less mobile fighters like Rick Glenn and the aging Lauzon. His kicking ability is average.
OAM's on the opposite end of the spectrum. Never looking very comfortable in an exchange, OAM makes up for it by staying technical and looking for single strike opportunities. His striking output is very low, landing an abysmal 2.67 strikes per minute (nearly half of Dunham's output). The silver lining here is that when OAM lands, it's often a clean shot that registers with the viewers (and judges). He seems to have fast hands, and his timing on punches and counters has improved throughout his last fights, looking impressive particularly against Dober and at points against Martin. OAM possesses a fast and powerful left kick.
Dunham should have a clear advantage in striking exchanges here. But OAM may impress if he fights to his advantages. As the faster fighter with a good left kick, he can try to keep this fight at distance and spam leg kicks to Dunham's lead leg. He can use his mobility to exit from exchanges before Dunham is able to complete his combinations and potshot from distance. Either OAM would have to have improved his striking a bit to make this work, or Dunham would have to have slowed down (possible now that Dunham is 36 and has over 13 years of fights).
Grappling:
Dunham is a BJJ black belt, and is pretty slick on the ground. Although coming close to locking in an RNC against Glenn recently, he hasn't won by submission since 2010. He has always been stronger than his frame would suggest, looking good in grappling exchanges against the huge Tibau and even RDA. This again was in 2013, and we can expect him to be a little less physical now, but he also controlled Pearson and Glenn on the ground more recently. He has decent single and double leg takedowns in the middle of the cage, but needs to time them well to complete.
OAM is a BJJ brown belt and a black belt in judo. This is pretty apparent when you see him clinch up with his opponents against the cage and muscle them down to the mat with a variety of trips and throws. His back taking and back control is excellent. OAM also has a good top control game, especially against the cage where he can stack even experienced grapplers (BJJ black belt Tony Martin couldn't do anything in this position, for instance). Part of the reason for his grappling success is that he's just a big and strong dude. He always looks a weight class bigger than his opponent.
Judging strength is always a guessing game until match itself, but my guess is that OAM will have the advantage here if the two were to clinch up. I doubt either will be shooting takedowns in the center of the cage.
Intangibles:
The line opened with Dunham the -180 favorite. This makes a lot of sense considering his advantage in striking, his performances over tougher competition, and his relentless toughness. He's a huge test for OAM who, until beating Martin, was mostly just a non-contender filling up spots in Canadian cards. OAM hasn't won a fight in America (or outside of Canada for that matter). However, given OAM's constant improvement, his physicality, and the help of Zahabi in his corner and preparing him for this fight, this might be a spot where the young guy can win a big fight against the aging Dunham who, at 36, can only be slowing down at this point in his career.
If I were to play Dunham, I'd probably wait to make a live bet since he usually starts off slow and comes on stronger in the later rounds, when his opponent has slowed down enough for him to really impose his game. Another reason would be to get a bit more information on how much OAM's improved and how much Dunham has slowed down, if at all.
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devil's advocate time...OAM vs Dunham is a classic "huge gym rep vs considered average by peers but overachieves on fight night" matchup. Going by sparring results alone OAM would be -200 or so lol. Of course recently OAM has wanted to do bad kickboxing for at least 10 minutes in each fight and at that range dunham will bust him up with the 1-2 until he clinches, the question is how much round does he lose before then? But Evan is still extremely durable but his chin has cracked a little and he gets stunned/dropped more, A-M might land one of his 8 punches a round flush and if the rest was trading positions on the cage it could be enough for 2 judges. Advise caution on this one
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