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[Deleted member 159002]

If an infinitely powerful, infinitely moral god of the universe says we should throw gays off buildings, who are you to argue?

Before one can begin to untangle your question, a few questions need to be answered. First, what makes God (or god) moral? Is he moral because of what he commands, or are his commands moral because he commands them. This is the euthyphro dilemma. Is throwing gays off buildings holy because god commands it, or does god command throwing gays off buildings because it's holy?

 

[Koro_11]

Sure, whatever you say Kenny Florian.

You normally attempt to make decent counter arguments on here, I’m glad to see you at least know when you’re outmatched, it’s very flattering in fact.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You normally attempt to make decent counter arguments on here, I’m glad to see you at least know when you’re outmatched, it’s very flattering in fact.

I only attempt to make arguments with posters that are worth it. Someone who just copies and pastes arguments from half a decade ago that I am already done with is not worth such an attempt.

Maybe when you can come up with something on your own or at least find a more original source I might take you seriously. Maybe someday!

 

[Koro_11]

I only attempt to make arguments with posters that are worth it. Someone who just copies and pastes arguments from half a decade ago that I am already done with is not worth such an attempt.

Maybe when you can come up with something on your own or at least find a more original source I might take you seriously. Maybe someday!

Yet here you are continuing to respond to me and unable to let it go. Islam is a shitty idea that only mental midgets can attempt to defend, and you know it, and you can’t do shit about it, and it’s eating away at you.

 

[Koro_11]

Muhammad literally said that gays should be thrown from a great height, and then stoned. Its part of the Hadith.

I know bro, just plain vanilla Islam.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yet here you are continuing to respond to me and unable to let it go. Islam is a shitty idea that only mental midgets can attempt to defend, and you know it, and you can’t do shit about it, and it’s eating away at you.

The mental midget here is the guy who has to copy his ideas and words verbatim from others and doesn't even attribute them and yet somehow still thinks himself clever for doing so.

 

[Koro_11]

The mental midget here is the guy who has to copy his ideas and words verbatim from others and doesn't even attribute them and yet somehow still thinks himself clever for doing so.

Bro, nice place you got here inside your head, and you don’t even charge me rent.

 

[horc00]

Look at China, Mao destroyed religion. You have a nation with a completely broken moral compass and replaces religion and spirituality with consumption and destruction of the planet.

Lol. No. Mao tried to destroy religion in China but it's still very much alive. Buddhism and Taoism never left and Christianity is the fastest growing religion in China. Many of them have a broken moral compass because they're assholes to begin with.

If the belief in a divine reward or eternal suffering is the only reason you behave like you have a moral compass, then deep down inside you're most definitely an asshole too.

And lol at pretending only non-religious people are indulging in consumption and planetary destruction. You need to spend less time in church and get out more.

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing ever. Religion is completely unnecessary for teaching morality lol. Religion is a lazy parents teacher for morality

This man speaks the truth.

 

[Zazen]

Lol. No. Mao tried to destroy religion in China but it's still very much alive. Buddhism and Taoism never left and Christianity is the fastest growing religion in China. Many of them have a broken moral compass because they're assholes to begin with.

If the belief in a divine reward or eternal suffering is the only reason you behave like you have a moral compass, then deep down inside you're most definitely an asshole too.

And lol at pretending only non-religious people are indulging in consumption and planetary destruction. You need to spend less time in church and get out more.



This man speaks the truth.

Yeah state run Christianity where you need approval from CCP to even run the organization. Buddhism and Taoism are both dead there. People only go to the temple on Chinese new year to wish for money. I've lived in China for a decade and traveled to over 20 provinces. I don't think you know what.

Nice strawman argument though.

1) I don't go to church,

2) Never said religious folk were completely innocent

If you need to lie about me to try and win then you've already lost.

 

[horc00]

Yeah state run Christianity where you need approval from CCP to even run the organization. Buddhism and Taoism are both dead there. People only go to the temple on Chinese new year to wish for money.

Lol. Any organization in China needs the CCP's approval by default. But as long as they don't deem you a threat to their political party, they will allow it. Would Christianity be growing at such as rate in China if the CCP actually wants to destroy it?

I think it's pretty common knowledge that the Chinese pray for money. They even have a damn God of Money. But lol at thinking this is predominantly Chinese thing.

I've lived in China for a decade and traveled to over 20 provinces. I don't think you know what.

So have I. I don't think you know that too.

Nice strawman argument though.

1) I don't go to church,

Never said you did. But figures. Otherwise you wouldn't have missed the Christians praying for wealth and success.

2) Never said religious folk were completely innocent

Again, never said you did. I was just countering your silly claim that the Chinese are morally lacking due to being non-religious by saying that:
1) they are morally lacking not because of a lack in religion;
2) religion does not make you a morally better person.

Guess I'm gonna have to throw this statement back at you.
If you need to lie about me to try and win then you've already lost.

 

[Zazen]

Lol. Any organization in China needs the CCP's approval by default. But as long as they don't deem you a threat to their political party, they will allow it. Would Christianity be growing at such as rate in China if the CCP actually wants to destroy it?

I think it's pretty common knowledge that the Chinese pray for money. They even have a damn God of Money. But lol at thinking this is predominantly Chinese thing.



So have I. I don't think you know that too.



Never said you did. But figures. Otherwise you wouldn't have missed the Christians praying for wealth and success.



Again, never said you did. I was just countering your silly claim that the Chinese are morally lacking due to being non-religious by saying that:
1) they are morally lacking not because of a lack in religion;
2) religion does not make you a morally better person.

Guess I'm gonna have to throw this statement back at you.
If you need to lie about me to try and win then you've already lost.

You've never been there

 

[horc00]

You've never been there

LOL!

I'm sure you feel special thinking you're the only one to have lived in China.

 

[TheGreatA]

Couple of clown "progressive" cops (with no real police training, just the right ideology) are going after everybody for hate speech nowadays, after the formation of "anti-hate speech" cyber police at the behest of a media-induced mass hysteria, about far-right violence that has never occurred. The guy responsible for a lot of this is actually well-known for trolling people on Twitter under alt accounts. He's constantly stirring shit up and encouraging people to file police reports for minor insults/wrong-think. He even filed a police report himself against a politician who called him a spineless wimp.

Guy's a joke and can't be gone soon enough, for trampling all over the idea of free speech. Unfortunately it's probably not going to happen during this ill-advised left-wing government, which benefits greatly from having a few "reds" in positions of prominence (like in the good old "Red Valpo" days, when Commies infiltrated and controlled the police force).

Fortunately the only power he possesses is the ability to hand out fines, if this was the old times, we would see USSR-level shit at the hands of these idiots, in the name of diversity, tolerance and whatever bullshit they preach, to justify their delusional power-trips.

 

[curryjunkie]

They will replace religion with vapid nonsense

 

[legatoblues]

That would probably result in the same. Raisinf kids without morals isn't a real.

Says a lot about someone if the only reason they're a good person is because their imaginary friend threatened them.

 

[Hadron90]

@sabretruth
Sherdog is being retarded and won't let me quote posts.

We don't have to argue about Euthyphro. Just imagine the following situation: One day while out on a walk, you look up and see the clouds part. The prophet muhammad rides out of the clouds on a winged horse bearing a flaming sword and a halo. He flies down to you and says "I am the prophet Muhammad, voice of Allah. I can promise you an afterlife of eternal paradise, @sabretruth, but only if you throw a gay off a building. Allah wills it."

Would you reconsider your stance on homosexuality and side with God, or would you trust that modern liberals have it figured out better?

 

[Deleted member 159002]

@sabretruth
Sherdog is being retarded and won't let me quote posts.

We don't have to argue about Euthyphro. Just imagine the following situation: One day while out on a walk, you look up and see the clouds part. The prophet muhammad rides out of the clouds on a winged horse bearing a flaming sword and a halo. He flies down to you and says "I am the prophet Muhammad, voice of Allah. I can promise you an afterlife of eternal paradise, @sabretruth, but only if you throw a gay off a building. Allah wills it."

Would you reconsider your stance on homosexuality and side with God, or would you trust that modern liberals have it figured out better?

How I would respond immediately after witnessing a miracle is irrelevant to the question of what makes Allah good.

I'm a Christian btw.

 

[Hadron90]

I'm not talking about the source of morality. I'm talking about why you would ignore divine commandment. If Jesus descended from heaven and said the kingdom of God would come to earth, but only if all sodomites were stoned to death, would you listen to him? Its just a thought experiment.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

I'm not talking about the source of morality. I'm talking about why you would ignore divine commandment. If Jesus descended from heaven and said the kingdom of God would come to earth, but only if all sodomites were stoned to death, would you listen to him? Its just a thought experiment.

Jesus wouldn't do that though. A good thought experiment envisions a possible world. Yours does not.

 

[ElKarlo]

Says a lot about someone if the only reason they're a good person is because their imaginary friend threatened them.

Yep that's exactly why. Having a moral code that has a foundation is so dumb.
We're one generation without religion and we already have some awful people coming out of this moral vacuum.