Pastor and church threatened with fines/jail time, has decided to sue the State of California

Agree that people need church service and spiritual "counseling" as I call it, and weekly reminders of keeping their moral compass in line, do it virtually, protect those people from the possibility of getting Covid.

Take $$ contributions online by credit or debit card to keep the churches running, as long as they're not scamming millions like osteen, or falwell.
 
fizban said:
how are we close to one world religion? we are not remotely close to that. how can you say otherwise?
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Ehh they pushing it.

Look up abraham accord the peace treaty between israel and uae proposed by trump backed by the vatican. Goal is to unite jews christians and muslims.

Its prepping the way for the antichrist. Jews anticipation of the messiah so arent muslims and im sure some 'christians' will be duped.

They already prépping.

Check this out:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/church-mosque-synagogue-abu-dhabi-1461097?amp=1

The pieces are moving into place.

Look around man. Tell me you're not still blind to it all. Can't even go to Wal-Mart without wearing a mask, can't assemble in churches.

But assemble in the streets to burn flags and bibles gets a green light.
 
colby25 said:
Ehh they pushing it.

Look up abraham accord the peace treaty between israel and uae proposed by trump backed by the vatican. Goal is to unite jews christians and muslims.

Its prepping the way for the antichrist. Jews anticipation of the messiah so arent muslims and im sure some 'christians' will be duped.

They already prépping.

Check this out:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/church-mosque-synagogue-abu-dhabi-1461097?amp=1

The pieces are moving into place.

Look around man. Tell me you're not still blind to it all. Can't even go to Wal-Mart without wearing a mask, can't assemble in churches.

But assemble in the streets to burn flags and bibles gets a green light.
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i cant see any connection between the masks and one world religion. i mean unless your criteria is scary stuff is connected......

also my church is thriving, and i mean thriving. our membership is up and we have deepened our spirituality significantly, donations are up too. all online. this virus has led to an increase in the pouring out of the Holy Spirit upon the body of Christ. haven't you noticed?

wanting all religious to get along and stop killing each other in no way is the same as trying to form one world religion. you seem to have a lot of fear man.
 
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Corn Pop Hombre said:
Yeah, we get it, you're human scum that doesn't practice what he preaches, that wants everyone that doesn't think like you to be exterminated, fascist, human scum.
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^Let me remind you, folks, this is the same guy that thinks the best way to help the black community is through abortion. Do you really want to waste your time arguing with this dude?
 
Darkballs said:
Yes, they do.

SCOTUS has long held that it is not an infringement when the State can show that there compelling government interest and the proposed restriction is narrowly tailored and is the least restrictive option available.

The State can clearly show a compelling interest; we have a pandemic that has killed over 165,000 americans, crippled our economy, and continues to spread. So what is the restriction? The State hasn't banned worship. Nor has it banned prayer. Nor has it banned attending religious services. What they State has required is that any religious service adhere to social distancing and the wearing of a mask. So you would need to keep parishioners six-feet apart. The church could hold services outdoors. They could make sure people are spaced apart. They could limit the number of parishioners per service, but could increase the number of services to still meet their flock's needs.

People can still go to church. It's just that churches should abide by the same guidelines the rest of the country has to.

In matters like these SCOTUS has a long tradition of ruling in favor of public health. When the State can show a genuine public health issue, and they certainly can here, they can take reasonable means to address it. Yet, I'm sure there are dipshits that will insist that wearing a cloth mask for an hour service is somehow a major burden, and that staying arms-length is too difficult an undertaking.

Christ, if you go to a church that inconsiderate of their fellow man, then you've got a church with shit morals.
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Yet you condone riots and mass protests. Hypocrisy is your game.
 
all caps said:
^Let me remind you, folks, this is the same guy that thinks the best way to help the black community is through abortion. Do you really want to waste your time arguing with this dude?
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Hey dipshit- facts are facts. I'm sorry you're so triggered by facts. I'm sorry the data doesn't support your feelings :( I'm sure you'll recover one day
 
fizban said:
i cant see any connection between the masks and one world religion. i mean unless your criteria is scary stuff is connected......

also my church is thriving, and i mean thriving. our membership is up and we have deepened our spirituality significantly, donations are up too. all online. this virus has led to an increase in the pouring out of the Holy Spirit upon the body of Christ. haven't you noticed?

wanting all religious to get along and stop killing each other in no way is the same as trying to form one world religion. you seem to have a lot of fear man.
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I think the connection between masks and One World Religion is that the media controls the population.

Its the ultimate propaganda machine.

Your church may be thriving but many are not. Outside of the u.s. or wherever you are churches are still shut down. I have friends who are pastors in Cambodia and Phillipines and their churches still shut down.

While i think the disease is real and potentially dangerous i do believe the government world wide will have a hard time relinquish control once theyve recieved it.

Happy to hear your church is doing well
 
spamking said:
Should definitely be interesting . . . our church is back open, but we've continued with watching the online service.
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We've been online since March and we're staying that way for probably a long while. I want to worship with my brothers and sisters in Christ in person, but a pestilence is on the land and we must let it Passover.
 
colby25 said:
I think the connection between masks and One World Religion is that the media controls the population.

Its the ultimate propaganda machine.

Your church may be thriving but many are not. Outside of the u.s. or wherever you are churches are still shut down. I have friends who are pastors in Cambodia and Phillipines and their churches still shut down.

While i think the disease is real and potentially dangerous i do believe the government world wide will have a hard time relinquish control once they've received it.

Happy to hear your church is doing well
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the whole end of the world anti Christ one world government eminence is just not shown by what is happening today. i think many pastors are bored because they lack in deep spirituality and that causes them so slip into too heavy a focus on end of world prophecy, all to the detriment health-wise for the Body of Christ.

it ought to be a full time job reaching the heights of spirituality that Jesus teaches us about. not a moment to waste and not a moment to spare on unnecessary speculation. barely able to keep up with the work of a lifetime.

i mean if you are talking about the perennial nature of those prophecies and not their ultimate fulfillment you may have a case for some of your points but no one knows the day or hour and every generation thinks its happening to them but it doesn't.

anyway what we are noticing is a push from the Holy Spirit to notice and participate in our connection in the Mystical Body of Christ rather than needing to meet indoors and hold hands. this unity of the Spirit is one of the central themes of the gospel and is more important than ever under present circumstances. its not ideal, but at the same time i think its an opportunity and one that is being missed by a ton of Christians who are opting to be angry instead.

there is always a bunch of power from the Holy Spirit when outside circumstances require it and i think many Christians are missing that speculating on what might be.

this is a time for more time spent in prayer deepening our connection with Christ and growing in maturity and forgiveness for the "other".
 
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lifelessheap said:
Yet you condone riots and mass protests. Hypocrisy is your game.
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This dipshit argument was stale three months ago.

One, you're just throwing that at random. I never commented on the protest or their relations to the spread of covid. So swing and miss there sport.

Two, none of our national health care experts made the claim that the virus could not spread in a protest environment. What we had were dipshits in the media asking people like Fauci to weigh in on whether the Floyd protests were worth it during a pandemic. Not wanting to walk on that political landmine, most took the neutral stance of not trying to measure it in such a fashion.

And from this the retard crew has been droning "Oh so me and Skeeter can't go maskless at the WalMart, but the darkies get to stand together and protest! You guys are da hypocrites.!"

Anyway, we were talking about whether or not the mandates about masks and social distancing were legal. I mentioned Supreme Court precedent that they are. You have anything to add, or are you already tapping out?
 
Despite being overruled by 3 California judges in an Appeals court, Pastor MacArther and Grace Community Church held church this morning.




Pastor MacArthur and Grace Community Church attendees face threats of fines and arrest by the LA County health dept. We will see if the state of California decides to go after this old man and his church
 
fizban said:
the whole end of the world anti Christ one world government eminence is just not shown by what is happening today. i think many pastors are bored because they lack in deep spirituality and that causes them so slip into too heavy a focus on end of world prophecy, all to the detriment health-wise for the Body of Christ.

it ought to be a full time job reaching the heights of spirituality that Jesus teaches us about. not a moment to waste and not a moment to spare on unnecessary speculation. barely able to keep up with the work of a lifetime.

i mean if you are talking about the perennial nature of those prophecies and not their ultimate fulfillment you may have a case for some of your points but no one knows the day or hour and every generation thinks its happening to them but it doesn't.

anyway what we are noticing is a push from the Holy Spirit to notice and participate in our connection in the Mystical Body of Christ rather than needing to meet indoors and hold hands. this unity of the Spirit is one of the central themes of the gospel and is more important than ever under present circumstances. its not ideal, but at the same time i think its an opportunity and one that is being missed by a ton of Christians who are opting to be angry instead.

there is always a bunch of power from the Holy Spirit when outside circumstances require it and i think many Christians are missing that speculating on what might be.

this is a time for more time spent in prayer deepening our connection with Christ and growing in maturity and forgiveness for the "other".
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Is that you, Franklin's Tower?
 
Waimea said:
Submission is what they want. You sure are doing a great job of it. Pathetic.
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You guys are so full of shit.

Submission to what? How about putting some meat on your arguments instead of just speaking in vague generalities.

And if wearing a face mask during a global pandemic is such a threat to your freedoms, then put your money where your mouth is and exercise those 2nd amendment rights. Everything else is all talk and no action.
 
Big Brain said:
actually it's 214234252542342 hundred thousand dead in less than a day

the bodies are pilin' up in the streets...i can barely get around them when i go drive my 1990 500SL Mercedes-Benz convertible

p.s. the sky is falling too
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I'm not the one scared of wearing a little piece of cloth over my face in consideration of older folks who are just as American as you think you are.

But anyways, how about putting some hair on your convictions? This isn't all some faux-toughguy Internet bravado right? Go visit your nearest COVID ward at the hospital sans-mask and come report back to us in a couple months. I mean, according to you, there's nothing to worry about. You won't, because it's all an act.
 
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