Mark Breland caught LYING about Wilders water!

[RDL81]

that's true...i counted 20 something seconds...so, fury got a lot of time to recover. truth is, i would prefer for him to have more time than for him to get hit again and end up permanently injured or worse. to be fair to both fighters it should have been called when the ref saw fury was unconscious.

Ref never saw him unconscious though did he he said he was speaking as soon as he was over him so stop posting your opinion as fact when it isn’t

 

[RDL81]

I have, but let’s not pretend Fury received some sort of gift because Reiss didn’t panic and did his job properly. Fury was flat on his back, but there’s no reason to stop a fight of that caliber without clear justification.

I’ve also seen much longer restarts after a knockdown. It took longer to restart because Fury was up at the count of 9. If you’re going to start your clock when his back hits the floor then you have to take into account how long he spends on the floor before the ref wipes off his gloves and tells him to demonstrate he can continue.

Plus send him on his little walk to the side it’s a 10 count as well not a 10 second count

 

[intrepid brawler]

Can you not see the hypocrisy of your posts wilder took much more punishment in the 2nd fight vs fury than fury did in the first. It’s obvious you have never boxed a round on your life. I think you are only here to troll

where am i being hypocritical? i never said the wilder funry rematch should not have been stopped. i have no problem with the stoppage, but its like you would rather see fury die in the ring than lose by ko to wilder

 

[RDL81]

where am i being hypocritical? i never said the wilder funry rematch should not have been stopped. i have no problem with the stoppage, but its like you would rather see fury die in the ring than lose by ko to wilder

But fury was fine wasn’t he so you are exaggerating while at same time asking why wilder fight was stopped

 

[intrepid brawler]

But fury was fine wasn’t he so you are exaggerating while at same time asking why wilder fight was stopped

dude. fury was knocked unconcious...he was actually unconscious for a few seconds. He should have gotten medical care because we had no idea what kind of damage he had suffered.

i have no problem with the rematch being stopped. Im asking what gave BRELAND the right to stop the rematch if breland was just a minor player and not the chief cornerman like some people are saying.

 

[intrepid brawler]

Ref never saw him unconscious though did he he said he was speaking as soon as he was over him so stop posting your opinion as fact when it isn’t

the ref saw fury unconscious. in fact that's been one of the biggest criticisms from people who watched the fight. fury was actually lights out. that he recovered quickly was fortunate, but the ref should never have taken that kind of risk with his life.

 

[intrepid brawler]

I have, but let’s not pretend Fury received some sort of gift because Reiss didn’t panic and did his job properly. Fury was flat on his back, but there’s no reason to stop a fight of that caliber without clear justification.

I’ve also seen much longer restarts after a knockdown. It took longer to restart because Fury was up at the count of 9. If you’re going to start your clock when his back hits the floor then you have to take into account how long he spends on the floor before the ref wipes off his gloves and tells him to demonstrate he can continue.

thats a situaiton where its OK to panic..its not like fury took a knee or he was dropped and rolled over or at least appeared to be conscious. fury was UNconscious....do you understand. If im a ref in that situation, im worried that the man needs immediate medical care.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

thats a situaiton where its OK to panic..its not like fury took a knee or he was dropped and rolled over or at least appeared to be conscious. fury was UNconscious....do you understand. If im a ref in that situation, im worried that the man needs immediate medical care.

I give up lol

 

[intrepid brawler]

I give up lol

Dude, i hope you dont have that attitude when its a child of yours or somebody you care about gets knocked out from a blow to the head. i hope that you will seek immediate medical attention and not waste precious seconds thinking its not a problem, because that could be the difference between that person recovering and going on to have a healthy life or something else that's permanent.

 

[Nova44]

Dude, i hope you dont have that attitude when its a child of yours or somebody you care about gets knocked out from a blow to the head. i hope that you will seek immediate medical attention and not waste precious seconds thinking its not a problem, because that could be the difference between that person recovering and going on to have a healthy life or something else that's permanent.

It's like you've never watched boxing before dude. Most of the time even when someone looks unconscious the ref will count to 2 and then wave it off, and by that time Fury was fine so he counted to 9.

Then again you said in the other thread Canelo is a top 5 MW at best so your opinion is meaningless really.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

Dude, i hope you dont have that attitude when its a child of yours or somebody you care about gets knocked out from a blow to the head. i hope that you will seek immediate medical attention and not waste precious seconds thinking its not a problem, because that could be the difference between that person recovering and going on to have a healthy life or something else that's permanent.

You make me want to take a Tylenol.

Isn’t that close enough?

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Glovegate has to be the single worst fan-made conspiracy ever in the sport. Mainstream media knew full well not to touch it. It didn't even originate with Wilder it was conjured up within the new media among a small but extremely vocal, not to mention toxic, contingent of Wilder fanboys & Fury detractors. It's only become even wonkier since. This should really tell you everything you need to know about it. It was manufactured out of salt & butthurt and weaponized as a convenient post-fight excuse that continues to be latched onto by these same ‘fans’ a year later. It wasn't until after Wilder took the beating he did that this laughable nonsense even emerged and took on a life of its own.

On the night of the rematch there wasn't a single boxing official involved with the fight or any event that occurred during the fight (or even pre-fight) to give this conspiracy theory legs. The ref had no problem with Fury's gloves or his slaps, the commission had already approved the gloves and inspected the wrapping & gloving process, and it was never investigated in any formal or official capacity. Not by the commission that oversaw the contest, not by the sanctioning body involved (WBC), not even independently probed afterwards by Team Wilder. During the fight Wilder and his team never, not once, took exception to Fury's gloves or his slap-boxing tactics. All related conspiracy theories pertaining to Fury's gloves & punching technique were conveniently created after the fight with alternative ‘facts’ having been retrofitted in to suit the narratives being spun.

The ‘glove flop’ phenomenon still being debated in this thread has also been observed historically with several other world class fighters past and present. It isn't unique to Fury at all or even exclusive to his fights with Wilder. Possible sound explanations that don't involve foul play have been given in well-produced multi-part documentaries published by investigative journalists online. Fury slaps often, but again, so do many other fighters. It could simply be down to poor technique or it could be by design to gain an advantage. We don't know and almost certainly never will. He seems to be doing it intentionally but Wilder himself slaps a lot and it's still a foul regardless of intention. While it is an explicit foul per the unified rules (and local athletic commission rules) on paper, it's practically never enforced by referees in sanctioned contests. In practice it's effectively been deemed to be too petty to routinely enforce. Refs seem to generally believe it just isn't going to significantly impact a fight as it's not an egregious foul or anywhere even approaching it.

In reality there is no scandal or controversy. There's no smoking gun to be found and it will likely never be investigated by any party with teeth (any actual authority on the matter). It's been grossly overanalyzed by fans, inspected at a molecular level, rehashed and beaten to death for a year. It's not a Resto redux it's a conspiracy that never gained any traction with the proper respective authorities (NSAC & WBC). They've undoubtedly caught wind of it by now and it was never given the time of day by them. The ‘controversy’ and subsequent drama surrounding the Wilder-Fury rematch exists only in the heads of deluded butthurt fans to try and rationalize what they witnessed unfold. It's literally a fan-created coping mechanism used only to soften Wilder's fall while delegitimizing Fury's impressive performance. There isn't any hard or compelling evidence from either fight to review. All it's been is an embarrassing miserably failed witch hunt with even worse storytelling.

 

[Seano]

Glovegate has to be the single worst fan-made conspiracy ever in the sport. Mainstream media knew full well not to touch it. It didn't even originate with Wilder it was conjured up within the new media among a small but extremely vocal, not to mention toxic, contingent of Wilder fanboys & Fury detractors. It's only become even wonkier since. This should really tell you everything you need to know about it. It was manufactured out of salt & butthurt and weaponized as a convenient post-fight excuse that continues to be latched onto by these same ‘fans’ a year later. It wasn't until after Wilder took the beating he did that this laughable nonsense even emerged and took on a life of its own.

On the night of the rematch there wasn't a single boxing official involved with the fight or any event that occurred during the fight (or even pre-fight) to give this conspiracy theory legs. The ref had no problem with Fury's gloves or his slaps, the commission had already approved the gloves and inspected the wrapping & gloving process, and it was never investigated in any formal or official capacity. Not by the commission that oversaw the contest, not by the sanctioning body involved (WBC), not even independently probed afterwards by Team Wilder. During the fight Wilder and his team never, not once, took exception to Fury's gloves or his slap-boxing tactics. All related conspiracy theories pertaining to Fury's gloves & punching technique were conveniently created after the fight with alternative ‘facts’ having been retrofitted in to suit the narratives being spun.

The ‘glove flop’ phenomenon still being debated in this thread has also been observed historically with several other world class fighters past and present. It isn't unique to Fury at all or even exclusive to his fights with Wilder. Possible sound explanations that don't involve foul play have been given in well-produced multi-part documentaries published by investigative journalists online. Fury slaps often, but again, so do many other fighters. It could simply be down to poor technique or it could be by design to gain an advantage. We don't know and almost certainly never will. He seems to be doing it intentionally but Wilder himself slaps a lot and it's still a foul regardless of intention. While it is an explicit foul per the unified rules (and local athletic commission rules) on paper, it's practically never enforced by referees in sanctioned contests. In practice it's effectively been deemed to be too petty to routinely enforce. Refs seem to generally believe it just isn't going to significantly impact a fight as it's not an egregious foul or anywhere even approaching it.

In reality there is no scandal or controversy. There's no smoking gun to be found and it will likely never be investigated by any party with teeth (any actual authority on the matter). It's been grossly overanalyzed by fans, inspected at a molecular level, rehashed and beaten to death for a year. It's not a Resto redux it's a conspiracy that never gained any traction with the proper respective authorities (NSAC & WBC). They've undoubtedly caught wind of it by now and it was never given the time of day by them. The ‘controversy’ and subsequent drama surrounding the Wilder-Fury rematch exists only in the heads of deluded butthurt fans to try and rationalize what they witnessed unfold. It's literally a fan-created coping mechanism used only to soften Wilder's fall while delegitimizing Fury's impressive performance. There isn't any hard or compelling evidence from either fight to review. All it's been is an embarrassing miserably failed witch hunt with even worse storytelling.

He obviously tampers with his gloves. Nothing has been disproven or "debunked".

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

He obviously tampers with his gloves. Nothing has been disproven or "debunked".

You still crying about this? LOL

 

[SakurabasEar]

Glovegate has to be the single worst fan-made conspiracy ever in the sport. Mainstream media knew full well not to touch it. It didn't even originate with Wilder it was conjured up within the new media among a small but extremely vocal, not to mention toxic, contingent of Wilder fanboys & Fury detractors. It's only become even wonkier since. This should really tell you everything you need to know about it. It was manufactured out of salt & butthurt and weaponized as a convenient post-fight excuse that continues to be latched onto by these same ‘fans’ a year later. It wasn't until after Wilder took the beating he did that this laughable nonsense even emerged and took on a life of its own.

On the night of the rematch there wasn't a single boxing official involved with the fight or any event that occurred during the fight (or even pre-fight) to give this conspiracy theory legs. The ref had no problem with Fury's gloves or his slaps, the commission had already approved the gloves and inspected the wrapping & gloving process, and it was never investigated in any formal or official capacity. Not by the commission that oversaw the contest, not by the sanctioning body involved (WBC), not even independently probed afterwards by Team Wilder. During the fight Wilder and his team never, not once, took exception to Fury's gloves or his slap-boxing tactics. All related conspiracy theories pertaining to Fury's gloves & punching technique were conveniently created after the fight with alternative ‘facts’ having been retrofitted in to suit the narratives being spun.

The ‘glove flop’ phenomenon still being debated in this thread has also been observed historically with several other world class fighters past and present. It isn't unique to Fury at all or even exclusive to his fights with Wilder. Possible sound explanations that don't involve foul play have been given in well-produced multi-part documentaries published by investigative journalists online. Fury slaps often, but again, so do many other fighters. It could simply be down to poor technique or it could be by design to gain an advantage. We don't know and almost certainly never will. He seems to be doing it intentionally but Wilder himself slaps a lot and it's still a foul regardless of intention. While it is an explicit foul per the unified rules (and local athletic commission rules) on paper, it's practically never enforced by referees in sanctioned contests. In practice it's effectively been deemed to be too petty to routinely enforce. Refs seem to generally believe it just isn't going to significantly impact a fight as it's not an egregious foul or anywhere even approaching it.

In reality there is no scandal or controversy. There's no smoking gun to be found and it will likely never be investigated by any party with teeth (any actual authority on the matter). It's been grossly overanalyzed by fans, inspected at a molecular level, rehashed and beaten to death for a year. It's not a Resto redux it's a conspiracy that never gained any traction with the proper respective authorities (NSAC & WBC). They've undoubtedly caught wind of it by now and it was never given the time of day by them. The ‘controversy’ and subsequent drama surrounding the Wilder-Fury rematch exists only in the heads of deluded butthurt fans to try and rationalize what they witnessed unfold. It's literally a fan-created coping mechanism used only to soften Wilder's fall while delegitimizing Fury's impressive performance. There isn't any hard or compelling evidence from either fight to review. All it's been is an embarrassing miserably failed witch hunt with even worse storytelling.

I appreciate this post and wish it would impact those still in denial over wilder's loss, but unfortunately anybody still buying into these fantasies are probably a lost cause at this point.

 

[Seano]

You still crying about this? LOL

Says the guy who just wrote a 5 paragraph essay on the topic.

I'm just astounded people pretend there's nothing weird about the gloves. Its like people insisting the sky is green.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Says the guy who just wrote a 5 paragraph essay on the topic.

I'm just astounded people pretend there's nothing weird about the gloves. Its like people insisting the sky is green.

It was 4 paragraphs. And you're right, I could've wrapped it up with a single video. Let's see if you still support this conspiracy theory any longer after watching just 60 seconds of this.

 

[RDL81]

the ref saw fury unconscious. in fact that's been one of the biggest criticisms from people who watched the fight. fury was actually lights out. that he recovered quickly was fortunate, but the ref should never have taken that kind of risk with his life.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

dude. fury was knocked unconcious...he was actually unconscious for a few seconds. He should have gotten medical care because we had no idea what kind of damage he had suffered.

i have no problem with the rematch being stopped. Im asking what gave BRELAND the right to stop the rematch if breland was just a minor player and not the chief cornerman like some people are saying.

Lol you’re fckin clueless pal. Fury wasn’t unconscious. You cannot be completely out, but then have all of your senses within a few seconds. It’s ridiculous. Concussions don’t work like that. Someone needs to knock you out so you can see how unrealistic that scenario really is. Dillian Whyte was out cold in the fight with Pov, and he was all over the place even after the fight was stopped, not back to his feet, right as rain

We’ve already been over this nonsense in previous threads. He dropped fury, who beat the count, then put it on wilder for the rest of the round. you’re a desperate, pathetic fanboy, who would rather believe fantasy than reality when it comes to your fighter.

youll probably respond by telling me how little I know about boxing. Everyone on this forum thinks you’re a fckin idiot. The guys you are arguing with are far more clued up than you’ll ever be

 

[Jonny Ninja]

two fights in a row? did you miss the part where wilder dropped fury twice in the first fight, knocking him unconscious in the second kd? i call that getting the shit knocked outta you...not "outfighting" the other guy.

first knockdown was the back of the head, an illegal shot. Clear as fckin day. You’ve either ignored this or don’t know the rules. I’m guessing a bit of both

Another reason why fury got robbed of the victory in the first fight