UFC Fight Night: The Korean Zombie vs Ige

[BigSteve]

Yeah, after watching it the other day I could see how Turdman could pick up a W. Still, I'm banking on the fact that he couldn't finish one of the worst grapplers at MW in Karl Roberson.

This card has the potential to host a bunch of ugly fights if everything lines up correctly.

Yea I see Bruno getting his back taken and subbed asap, i can also see him losing 3 rounds through takedowns and not getting subbed.

I can see Bruno Koing him in first, and also not Koing him and going for stupid takedowns when he shouldnt and this being a grinding affair

 

[Captain Chesapeake]

TKO yes but by Derrick Lewis and Chris Daukaus both of whom are big punchers with solid KO power. I don't see that from Spivak who's big wins have come via outgrappling the likes of Vanderaa and Tuivasa both of whom have zero grappling. The moment he went up against someone with a solid grappling (Tybura) he was heavily dominated. At +270 I think it's a good bet although admittedly I haven't taped his fight with Felipe so not sure if that fight showed any improvement in his stand up

Think Spivak has shown improvements from fight to fight while oleynik looks worse and worse. His chin and cardio aren’t going to get better at this point. He has about 3 strong minutes where he has to hope to land his big telegraphed overhand or get a takedown

I would say his ability to take a shot is only going to get worse if not completely fall off a cliff.

spivak has more than enough power to stop oleynik

 

[2020Tracked]

I'd think Spivak with some kind of standing TKO or he gets Olinik against the cage and just lands enough unanswered strikes but his KO like is less than even money, books are all over it.

 

[impressivegoal]

Too much being made of KZ’s down fall. Ortega deserves a lot of credit and I’m not downgrading KZ much at all after that. Ortega was able to come back from that beat down Max gave him, and I’m expecting KZ to do the same here.

Ige is tough/durable no doubt, but I don’t see him capable of inflicting the same type of damage Ortega gave, or the type of finish necessary (ala Yair).
Ige should’ve lost the Barboza match on the cards but got the generous decision (imo), otherwise he’d be a loser in 2 of his last 3 coming in and, I think, in the +150 range.

 

[theTKDguy]

Turman vs silva u2.5 looks nice

 

[Omni1]

Anybody found tape of O'Neill against Miki Motono? From what I see I don't feel like betting her here. O'Neill definitely has the advantage in the physical attributes, but her skill level is still low. Good enough for Dobson, but not sure if that just being aggressive will work against Procopio. She does train at tiger muay thai so she will have improved a bit.

Casey O'Neill has been living in Las Vegas with her boyfriend for a while now. If I remember correctly around a year or so.

 

[FimbulFightPicks]

Too much being made of KZ’s down fall. Ortega deserves a lot of credit and I’m not downgrading KZ much at all after that. Ortega was able to come back from that beat down Max gave him, and I’m expecting KZ to do the same here.

Ige is tough/durable no doubt, but I don’t see him capable of inflicting the same type of damage Ortega gave, or the type of finish necessary (ala Yair).
Ige should’ve lost the Barboza match on the cards but got the generous decision (imo), otherwise he’d be a loser in 2 of his last 3 coming in and, I think, in the +150 range.

Valid points but Ortega had a 2 year layoff, and pretty much changed his entire team, and hired new people that were right for him. There is a long interview on youtube from the ufc, where Ortega talks about everything that he changed since the Max fight, and why things had to change. He was very methodical about every change and it showed in the KZ fight. I dont think expecting KZ to do the same in such a short time frame is possible if you expect a completely new KZ like we saw with Ortega.

 

[rille31]

Yea I see Bruno getting his back taken and subbed asap, i can also see him losing 3 rounds through takedowns and not getting subbed.

I can see Bruno Koing him in first, and also not Koing him and going for stupid takedowns when he shouldnt and this being a grinding affair

Isn't frolov a better version of Wellington.
Bruno won 3/4 rounds before the finish.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Valid points but Ortega had a 2 year layoff, and pretty much changed his entire team, and hired new people that were right for him. There is a long interview on youtube from the ufc, where Ortega talks about everything that he changed since the Max fight, and why things had to change. He was very methodical about every change and it showed in the KZ fight. I dont think expecting KZ to do the same is in such a short time frame is possible if you expect a completely new KZ like we saw with Ortega.

The worry for me is that KZ is there to be hit. I'm not sure if Ige has the power to hurt him, though. If he doesn't I think KZ wins this and makes it look relatively easy (even if it goes the distance). I watched KZ vs Bermudez again recently, and Bermudez hits him with some big looping overhands. They don't even phase KZ, but I worry that a harder hitter can capitalize on something like that.

His recent fights, while he seems more tactical, don't seem to have corrected this.

For me, it's a question of will Ige be able to press forward and land power shots? Or will he be on the back foot?

Just a side note for the Ige/Barboza decision: it's one of the more lopsided splits you'll see on MMA Decisions. It was like 86% of fans scoring the fight for Barboza, which is quite high. Approaching numbers like Melendez vs Sanchez.

 

[Val Dewar]

Too much being made of KZ’s down fall. Ortega deserves a lot of credit and I’m not downgrading KZ much at all after that. Ortega was able to come back from that beat down Max gave him, and I’m expecting KZ to do the same here.

Ige is tough/durable no doubt, but I don’t see him capable of inflicting the same type of damage Ortega gave, or the type of finish necessary (ala Yair).
Ige should’ve lost the Barboza match on the cards but got the generous decision (imo), otherwise he’d be a loser in 2 of his last 3 coming in and, I think, in the +150 range.

Ige definitely won't do what Ortega did but I think the -110 odds are fair, TKZ fell into a depression and gained a lot of weight after that last fight apparently, who knows where his mentality is at? If he was at his best I'd say TKZ for sure should be -170-200 but he's 34, has taken a lot of damage, looked flat last fight, and mentality is questionable currently.

Also Edson and Kattar are two of the top 6 FWs in the world currently IMO, no big shame in losing to them, especially when he was able to take a round off of each.

 

[guesswhoseback]

Yeah, after watching it the other day I could see how Turdman could pick up a W. Still, I'm banking on the fact that he couldn't finish one of the worst grapplers at MW in Karl Roberson.

This card has the potential to host a bunch of ugly fights if everything lines up correctly.

Cant be much worse then last week Israel PPV that event was horrendus. I do see 4 out of the 11 fights ending in a finish though

 

[guesswhoseback]

Turman vs silva u2.5 looks nice

Only if u think silva gonna win if Thurman wins gonna be by dec

 

[theTKDguy]

Only if u think silva gonna win if Thurman wins gonna be by dec

he can def sub silva

 

[BigHitta]

alright im in on ige at -110 lets go.

 

[BigSteve]

Isn't frolov a better version of Wellington.
Bruno won 3/4 rounds before the finish.

Did he? I kind of skimmed through it looking for specific things. Just noticed he kept giving up his back and takedowns in every round. And also constantly clinching when he is better in the standup.

He was noticeably taking over in 3 when Frolov gassed and 4 was a matter of time.

 

[Stat_Collector]

anyone want a nice dog, rick glenn with his superior boxing,high guard, left hand straight sharp. 3x the mma exp with an amateur rec of 15-1-1 bringing combine pro to 36-7 . 4 inch height advantage and a good resume equal to Silva.

 

[BigSteve]

anyone want a nice dog, rick glenn with his superior boxing,high guard, left hand straight sharp. 3x the mma exp with an amateur rec of 15-1-1 bringing combine pro to 36-7 . 4 inch height advantage and a good resume equal to Silva.

I remember taping Glenn when he was meant to fight Minus, to see if he was worth hammering at the big odds. There was a million red flags there, going to close decisions against fighters he is much better than, and then in his last fight being hurt all over the place by a past it Aguilar.

 

[longway]

Too much being made of KZ’s down fall. Ortega deserves a lot of credit and I’m not downgrading KZ much at all after that. Ortega was able to come back from that beat down Max gave him, and I’m expecting KZ to do the same here.

Ige is tough/durable no doubt, but I don’t see him capable of inflicting the same type of damage Ortega gave, or the type of finish necessary (ala Yair).
Ige should’ve lost the Barboza match on the cards but got the generous decision (imo), otherwise he’d be a loser in 2 of his last 3 coming in and, I think, in the +150 range.

Yeah, I'm hoping we get KZ at plus odds by fight night. Ige lost against Kattar and Barboza in my book, and I bet Ige when he fought Barboza. KZ TDD is pretty sound iirc, but I do need to tape again to refresh my memory.

 

[Deleted member 581330]

anyone want a nice dog, rick glenn with his superior boxing,high guard, left hand straight sharp. 3x the mma exp with an amateur rec of 15-1-1 bringing combine pro to 36-7 . 4 inch height advantage and a good resume equal to Silva.

I place a lot of significance in weight class changes and especially in a debut moving up, it's my biggest red flag. Does it not concern you that Glenn is not only debuting in a higher weight class but also coming off a 3 year layoff? At +115 the price isn't very enticing and he is hardly an underdog.

 

[Stat_Collector]

I remember taping Glenn when he was meant to fight Minus, to see if he was worth hammering at the big odds. There was a million red flags there, going to close decisions against fighters he is much better than, and then in his last fight being hurt all over the place by a past it Aguilar.

Aguilar is a decent boxer, and in 2018 i think he was much sharper. Glenn also has switched gyms, no more team alpha grappling heavy gym. He now trains with Montel and Ode , and in a much higher elevation will help him in the cardio department. The split decision wins are alarming so i wont go overboard and play him too much here. But feel strongly that his boxing is much cleaner and sharper, while Silva is the much more fluent kicker thai boxer.

I feel confident though that Rick Glenn's experience and good track record against decent strikers makes him a decent dog , Silva's best wins have been against grapplers, his kryptonite up until this point has been a boxer with a decent punch, i'll try him out i see a 50% chancer at success.