Rumored Lopez vs Lomachenko 2

[Sanserif]

Loma is too small for 135, but his ego or his lack of discipline won’t allow him to fight at 130 or god forbid 126. Or maybe he’s just chasing money.

There are few or no challenges left at those weights.

Exactly how does challenging yourself to fight bigger fighters evince a lack of discipline??? Ego I can understand but indiscipline? One would have thought it was the opposite. And in this case we r talking about one of the hardest trainers In the sport who always comes In to fight at the proper weight and with superb stamina.

 

[Sanserif]

Who cares what you believe about fairytale imaginary fantasy scenarios. Never call anyone a geek when you sound like some Stan for Loma.
He wasn't active because Lopez shut him down.
Lmao "Half of the fight doesn't count because i have a crush on Loma." Solid argument bub.

The injured shoulder he needed to have have operation to fix immediately after the fight was the biggest factor hampering lomachenko.

The admittedly clever plan that Lopez Sr devised and that his son specially adopted to keep lomachenkp at bay also contributed as did his son's excellent execution of that plan.. The fact that Lopez needed to follow a special plan to try to nullify lomachnkp itself shows lomachenko's greatness and disproves all u haters. Lopez and his father know the quality of the boxer they were fighting. Lomachenko is likely the best boxer lopex will ever face in his career and it was his win over him that put him on the map.

 

[Boxiana]

There are few or no challenges left at those weights.

Exactly how does challenging yourself to fight bigger fighters evince a lack of discipline??? Ego I can understand but indiscipline? One would have thought it was the opposite. And in this case we r talking about one of the hardest trainers In the sport who always comes In to fight at the proper weight and with superb stamina.

Perhaps he lacks the discipline to make 130. It seems pretty obvious he doesn’t belong at 135. But ego is more likely the issue, I agree.

If he chooses to fight at 135, don’t start with the weight bully argument. Lopez made weight and was strong all through the fight, winning the 12th.

 

[Sanserif]

Perhaps he lacks the discipline to make 130. It seems pretty obvious he doesn’t belong at 135. But ego is more likely the issue, I agree.

If he chooses to fight at 135, don’t start with the weight bully argument. Lopez made weight and was strong all through the fight, winning the 12th.

Lomachenko should be able to easily make weight at his original weight classes. He is clearly always the smaller fighter in his current weight class.

Lopez admitted himself that he has great difficulty making weight and is going to have to move up soon as he is finding it harder to get to such a low weight as he ages. Lopez is clearly a weight bully because he belongs to a higher weight class naturally and in a year or so he will have to move up anyway as making weight takes too much out of him. However as sandisll has said above, he will find life at the higher weight classes much tougher as his reach and oower advantages diminish.

Lopez was actually getting more tired as the fight wore on as his stamina is nowhere as good as lomachenko's. We will leave the 12th round discussion alone as I have already exhausted that topic in this thread above eith the "judges are always right" camp that u r a part of.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

The fact that Lopez needed to follow a special plan to try to nullify lomachnkp itself shows lomachenko's greatness and disproves all u haters.

No, thats called world championship level boxing....lmao. Thats what they do. They develop gameplans and strategies.
Loma Stans are becoming the most comical tools on the forum. Accepting the official non controversial decision = hater. Lmao ok. . .

 

[drbolony]

Just like a broken hand the pain becomes more numbed given more time. Also he was trying to figure out a way to get round the special plan lopez was executing to stop him from entering - which began to click in the latter part of the fighr.

So he got out smarted the first half of the fight? Then he lost fair and square.

No, thats called world championship level boxing....lmao. Thats what they do. They develop gameplans and strategies.
Loma Stans are becoming the most comical tools on the forum. Accepting the official non controversial decision = hater. Lmao ok. . .

Lol, do these guys not read their shit before posting? It's like they don't realize they look like clowns. "Loma would've won is Teo didn't outsmart him for half the fight!"

 

[Sanserif]

So he got out smarted the first half of the fight? Then he lost fair and square.

Lol, do these guys not read their shit before posting? It's like they don't realize they look like clowns. "Loma would've won is Teo didn't outsmart him for half the fight!"

Not outsmarted but try boxing without a working right shoulder and then trying to beat a plan specially designed to foil your particular usual approach paths against someone longer and much more powerful than u. It's going to take time.

 

[Sanserif]

No, thats called world championship level boxing....lmao. Thats what they do. They develop gameplans and strategies.
Loma Stans are becoming the most comical tools on the forum. Accepting the official non controversial decision = hater. Lmao ok. . .

I didn't question the official overall result of him losing. I am merely pointing out the judges fouled up badly for the 12th round. A hater is someone who can dismiss a slo mo replay that shows clearly what really happened in favour of his own subjective opinion m.

 

[drbolony]

Not outsmarted but try boxing without a working right shoulder and then trying to beat a plan specially designed to foil your particular usual approach paths against someone longer and much more powerful than u. It's going to take time.

Crazy how Loma is able to do full ROM semi strict pull ups for reps with a hurt shoulder. Not to mention bomb the heavy bag. But OK.

I didn't question the official overall result of him losing. I am merely pointing out the judges fouled up badly for the 12th round. A hater is someone who can dismiss a slo mo replay that shows clearly what really happened in favour of his own subjective opinion m.

No bro, you're just a Lomosexual. You're in the minority. If your narrative had legs Top Rank would be all over it. Loma is their golden boy, they'll do anything possible (within reason) to maintain his image, but not even the spin doctors at Top Rank could pull that off. Why? Cause Loma got stomped and if he was so worried about his shoulder he wouldn't have negotiated out of the rematch clause.

 

[SandisLL]

No bro, you're just a Lomosexual. You're in the minority.

Actually in real hardcore community people think that lads like you are huge minority.
If Ward had scored this as a draw, for you this is not acceptable, go and tell him in person that you have his level credentials and Olympic Gold medal too, like he does have, tell him that he is Lomosexual and you will see what might happen with you.

While yeah, I had scored this fight for Lopez 115-113 and I don't think that this was easy fight for Lopez nor I think that even fights vs Campbell and Linare were easy for Loma.

r narrative had legs Top Rank would be all over it. Loma is their golden boy, they'll do anything possible (within reason) to maintain his image, but not even the spin doctors at Top Rank could pull that off.

Well, Loma for them ofc is interesting and might gave good sales: title fights sells better than non title fight unless boxers are not very well known for other reason ( like Tyson exib fight looks that had > 1 m ppvs etc examples ).
For this reason ($) boxers not rare cases moves up/ down to weight classes to get more fights with title on the line, titles are thing that are appreciated by media managers and journalists.

Cause Loma got stomped and if he was so worried about his shoulder he wouldn't have negotiated out of the rematch clause.

There I agree.
Fight might had been re scheduled etc alike, why not.
While maybe he had signed harsh contracts? I don't know.

I didn't had been interested in depth about Loma's health.
You might watch some from Vitali fights how looks guy with bad shoulder. Something was before first lost fight in pro boxing.
40 y.o Vitali vs Chisora is one from examples how looks lad with long term shoulder problems during 10+ years. Vs Charr looks that he had better night in the office.

 

[Sanserif]

No bro, you're just a Lomosexual. You're in the minority. If your narrative had legs Top Rank would be all over it. Loma is their golden boy, they'll do anything possible (within reason) to maintain his image, but not even the spin doctors at Top Rank could pull that off. Why? Cause Loma got stomped and if he was so worried about his shoulder he wouldn't have negotiated out of the rematch clause.

Why r u resorting to insults? Debates among the mature focus on the issues and don't become personal. Becoming insulting only reveals your own inadequacies and issues.

Lopez is also in top rank's stable and lopez is far more valuable to them in the long run as he is 10 years younger than lomachenko who has not long to go before retirement.

 

[Boxiana]

If Ward had scored this as a draw, for you this is not acceptable, go and tell him in person that you have his level credentials and Olympic Gold medal too, like he does have, tell him that he is Lomosexual and you will see what might happen with you.

Ward scored the 12th for Lopez. Just saying.

 

[SandisLL]

Ward scored the 12th for Lopez. Just saying.

Maybe.
I had scored 1-6 th rounds for Lopez with 2nd and 6 th rounds as just 55/45 for Lopez and 12 th round as 60/40 for Lopez. 115:113 for Lopez.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

WTF is this weight bully bs i keep hearing...

it used to be "he's cutting too much weight, he's gonna drain himself, and endanger his health, life, and career."

Now it's the complete opposite?
Everybody in pro combat sports cuts weight, get over it you snowflakes.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

I didn't question the official overall result of him losing. I am merely pointing out the judges fouled up badly for the 12th round. A hater is someone who can dismiss a slo mo replay that shows clearly what really happened in favour of his own subjective opinion m.

You are pointing out nothing. The judges got round 12 right. You don't judge in slow mo, its not concrete evidence, you are scoring visual contacts for Loma that may not even have contacted at all, you lose all sense of velocity and force of impact, the movements being revealed are unnaturally slowed that the mind is not equipped to review in such a manner, will naturally try to predict what's next and influence how they perceive the next part all the while narrated by a guy who does not want to accept Loma lost. Loma got blown away in 12 and it's not an exaggeration. Lopez realized Loma couldn't hurt him and let go of his hands and this was some of the most visually catching flush obvious LOUD connects Loma ate here and Slow mo isnt necessary to see those were the best shots of the round, told the story of the round, and yes hurt Loma. Slow mo tells a different story and in doesnt become more precise in examination in a boxing match because boxing isnt scored connect for connect like the Olympics used to be, it is 4 Criteria and you can count punches/connects and declare a winner, that's not how PROFESSIONAL boxing works. Multiple posters here have buried your slo mo video and you are still talking down on people and going "but slow mo is absolute! How could anyone refute or question slow mo?".

In other sports slow mo might hold relevance, but in boxing Loma got beat down in the 12th and if the judges hadn't scored as such THEN AND ONLY THEN they should be questioned. You clearly dont know the scoring criteria or are amusing yourself online trying to rustle people with subtle trolling. But you are wrong.

To all who see this irrefutable "proof" Loma is "more skilled" I think the rematch is an important match for you guys to see. Making your opponent look normal or inactive for 6 rounds usually is a result of skill. Loma was shut down and had to really extend himself outside his comfort zone. Fancy footwork can fool a lot of guys but I'm sorry, Lopez was a SOLID PRO and he displayed more perceptive and economical foot work and ring control, maintained perfect distance and was ring general. Everyone else Loma fought let him get in their head, became afraid to let their hands go as much, but notice Lopez never stopped making Loma pay or think. All of Lomas success in this fight was him putting himself in danger and in desperation. He was the one having to come up with answers, Lopez was asking the questions. And when round 12 came, Lopez could finally just let his hands go instead of box because he had it in the bag, and in the rematch it will be 1 or 2 interesting rounds before rounds 3-12 become round 12 all over again and Loma suffers until hes stopped. The is no question anymore.

But don't worry. Loma won't take the fight. Hes content to beat the same guys Lopez did and say Lopez went to 140 to duck him.

 

[SandisLL]

and in the rematch it will be 1 or 2 interesting rounds before rounds 3-12 become round 12 all over again and Loma suffers until hes stopped. The is no question anymore.

Your idol was not able to stop Nakatani.
You are so sure that he is anything more than huge dude who was able to cut till 135 lbs limit?

Don't worry, every one with brains does knows that Loma is bulked up 126 lbs division boxer.
Absolutely nothing wrong might had been even if he had 0 win at 130 lbs and 0 win at 135 lbs.

But don't worry. Loma won't take the fight. Hes content to beat the same guys Lopez did and say Lopez went to 140 to duck him.

You are so so smart.

I overall I don't have intent to watch Lopez at 135 lbs vs anyone.
When he will move to @ 140 and @ 147 we will see.
Dude is enough huge to have need to prep to make 147 lbs for weigh in.
I imagine how he might look in the ring today vs Crawford and Spence Jr etc alike boxers.

King should move up.
Loma had moved up = 126> 130>135 and according to you is bad boxer.
Lopez shoud move up = 135>140>147 and only then at 147 we will be able to judge how good or bad boxer is Lopez.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

You are so so smart.

THANKS!

 

[randomg1t]

WTF is this weight bully bs i keep hearing...

it used to be "he's cutting too much weight, he's gonna drain himself, and endanger his health, life, and career."

Now it's the complete opposite?
Everybody in pro combat sports cuts weight, get over it you snowflakes.

yeah i never understood this shit either.

the only time "weight bullying" is applicable is when someone misses weight... like world class dipshit luis nery.

 

[SandisLL]

the only time "weight bullying" is applicable is when someone misses weight..

Well, initially looks like this.

However Lopez looks that was relatively realistic when had expressed this opinion before fight vs Loma:
Lopez: Lomachenko Is Better Off At 130 Or 126 Pounds; 135 Is My Weight Class! - Boxing News (boxingscene.com)

Lopez btw sounded here pretty normal and realistic.

 

[aries]

But don't worry. Loma won't take the fight. Hes content to beat the same guys Lopez did and say Lopez went to 140 to duck him.

I think you made some good points in your post about the validity of slow-motion to analyse a fight but Loma is avoiding Lopez? He beat up Nakatani (in June) just to show Lopez what he could do and because Lopez was tied up and unavailable at that time, but Lopez's fight (in June) got postponed anyway. Loma wants this fight, it's Lopez that doesn't seem so keen. Loma picked Commey next because he was supposed to be fighting Lopez on that date but Lopez 'got' covid rather (un)conveniently and his fight with Kambosos got delayed until October so he's not going to be ready in time to fight on Dec 11th. The delays suit the younger man, but Lopez can't avoid it forever. I bet you the fight happens. If Lopez moves to 140 then that's a clear duck from him.