Opinion Trump supporters, do you give credit to Biden for bringing troops home?

[HereticBD]

Perhaps the video is misleading?

How? CGI?

 

[Whippy McGee]

lol. Do you read the Free Beacon on a regular basis? Their landing page is like crack for Oathkeepers.

I use any source that will get me direct documents. I don't know the Free Beacon well, but they go the story here. Instead of you making the logical fallacy of attacking the source, perhaps you can attack the actual content... if you are capable. Or, perhaps you cannot dispute the information provided?

 

[Prefect]

I give Biden's handlers credit for not stopping the withdrawal. Biden is useless and possesses zero leadership qualities, but this would have been an ugly disaster no matter who was in office. The only difference is how the media portrays it. The fact that Biden is facing any criticism at all shows how big of a disaster this was.

We were literally spending millions for ea h Taliban we killed. It was an unsustainable war. My brother has talked with me about this. Some guy orders a strike on someone shooting mortars. A plane goes up and drops a 4 million dollar missile on some cave dweller. Next time, they put the mortar set with a water timer. Plane goes up and 4 million is spent on destroying a bucket of water and an rpg. It was unsustainable. Osama flat out said he wanted to drag the U.S. into a costly conflict in Afganistan. Same thing was done with the Soviets. Long ass campaigns with no end in sight and the only thing that is happening is that both blood and money are being burned.

 

[HomeCheese]

How? CGI?

I'm wondering if the plane took off with the 10-20 people sitting on the outside. If yes then certainly they all died. What kind of person takes off knowing you would kill these people?

Thats my question.

 

[HomeCheese]

I use any source that will get me direct documents. I don't know the Free Beacon well, but they go the story here. Instead of you making the logical fallacy of attacking the source, perhaps you can attack the actual content... if you are capable. Or, perhaps you cannot dispute the information provided?

Why would I bother to read stuff from a source that seems shady AF? If the story is legit then it would appear on plenty of other, more trusted, sites. No?

This site doesn't seem like real news.

 

[Bob Gray]

I find it odd that I heard the trumpers screaming about blowing money in the middle east and to bring the troops home... now for some odd reason they are losing their minds over the Afghanistan issues.

For some "odd" reason? You mean a dumb as fuck exit strategy that literally everybody said was a bad idea that's resulted in numerus deaths, with more on the horizon, led to a terrorist group obtaining millions of dollars in American military equipment, done by a president who explicitly lied about what the results would be?

That's "odd" to you?

 

[MRT]

Sure . . . if Trump was actually involved with this eventual removal of troops and US personnel.



I'm not pretending it would've gone better under Trump at all.



Seems pointless but you seem to do so in this response?

Regardless, I agree that this long overdue withdrawal would've very likely taken much longer than expected and had to deal with numerous issues regardless of who was POTUS.

Yes, though I was more just speaking hypothetically, in that if people are trying to blame Biden, then many of the same critiques would also apply to Trump...whereas I personally don't believe either of them is really to blame.

As Biden said, 'the buck stops here', but that is akin to a CEO accepting responsibility for the fuckups of those below him. They are 'responsible', but it is not really their fault.

 

[RogerB08]

Do you give Biden credit for operation warp speed?

I give the scientist at Pfizer, Moderna and J&J credit for developing the vaccines. Trump didn't do anything any president wouldn't have done. What ever directive he gave was an easy lift.

 

[Confucamus]

We were literally spending millions for ea h Taliban we killed. It was an unsustainable war. My brother has talked with me about this. Some guy orders a strike on someone shooting mortars. A plane goes up and drops a 4 million dollar missile on some cave dweller. Next time, they put the mortar set with a water timer. Plane goes up and 4 million is spent on destroying a bucket of water and an rpg. It was unsustainable. Osama flat out said he wanted to drag the U.S. into a costly conflict in Afganistan. Same thing was done with the Soviets. Long ass campaigns with no end in sight and the only thing that is happening is that both blood and money are being burned.

There's no dollar value you can put on the American lives we lost over there in that god forsaken shithole. I couldn't care less about how much a missile costs. I just don't want to see any more Americans die over there.

 

[Prefect]

There's no dollar value you can put on the American lives we lost over there in that god forsaken shithole. I couldn't care less about how much a missile costs. I just don't want to see any more Americans die over there.

You absolutely have a dollar amount put on american lives. Around 50,000 taliban were killed and over a trillion dollars have been spent over there. 1,000,000,000,000/50,000 = $20 million for every taliban that was killed and money spent to un-taliban the country. End result. Jack fucking shit. You can't expect any superpower who literally can't afford to kill the enemy or even get them to lose the hearts and minds of the citizens for that kind of money. You could have just setup the world's biggest trust fund for them to not do stupid shit, and that would have been more effective.

 

[emefer]

You could make a similar critique of Trump, couldn't you?

If Trump brokered a deal in Feb 2020, and was in office until mid-Jan 2021, which is only 3.5 months from his May 1 pullout date, then shouldn't the wheels have *long* been in motion to get people, equipment, etc. out? Trump apparently wanted out even earlier:

"So intense was Trump's intention to withdraw that he persisted even after the 2020 election. According to a report published by Axios in May, Trump signed a memo in November that would have withdrawn all U.S. troops by mid-January (just five days before his term was to end). His top national security team, civilian and military, persuaded him not to issue the order but to leave the withdrawal date at May 1.

Trump has since said none of the current mayhem in Kabul would be happening if he were still president. Researchers will need to ascertain how many exit visas for Afghans had already been arranged before Trump left office, or what sort of procedures he might have had in place for Americans and Afghans wishing to leave. But lacking such evidence, and given Trump's timetable and concessions made to the Taliban, it is easier to imagine the current situation happening that much sooner.

Trump in fact had complained at his June 26 rally in Ohio that the Biden administration was dragging its feet and ought to get out faster."

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/18/1028...deed-the-trump-biden-consensus-on-afghanistan

Are we really going to pretend that everything would have been smooth sailing under Trump? That there would have been an orderly withdrawal, everyone and everything that needed to get out would have been done in time, etc?

My point is that it seems pointless to make this about Trump vs. Biden and more likely a case of 'this is a fucking shit show' no matter who was calling the shots from the very top. I don't think any withdrawal was going to be 'smooth'.

Trumps statement today on his withdrawal plan doesn’t mention saving Afghanis that helped US troops. He does say no chaos or death. lol I guess he would have bombed our military though. Sad

 

[Whippy McGee]

Why would I bother to read stuff from a source that seems shady AF? If the story is legit then it would appear on plenty of other, more trusted, sites. No?

This site doesn't seem like real news.

Because they cited and produced the actual documents. You and your logical fallacy is a debate loser.

 

[HereticBD]

I'm wondering if the plane took off with the 10-20 people sitting on the outside. If yes then certainly they all died. What kind of person takes off knowing you would kill these people?

Thats my question.

The type of person who doesn't want to be taken over by a mob, and not take off at all.

I don't think all the people on the side took off with it though. Most probably had the wits to let go, outside of the few that didn't and fell to their deaths.

 

[MRT]

Trumps statement today on his withdrawal plan doesn’t mention saving Afghanis that helped US troops. He does say no chaos or death. lol I guess he would have bombed our military though. Sad

The hilarity of a draft dodger mocking Generals, pretending that he not only knows better but that his plan would have been flawlessly executed...Trump's narcissism is quite something to witness.

 

[emefer]

The Democrats running the Biden Administration did this. Not everything the Orange Man did was bad.

https://freebeacon.com/biden-admini...onths-before-taliban-takeover-of-afghanistan/

Internal memo says Biden officials canceled Trump-era emergency operations bureau

The Biden State Department moved in June to cancel a program overseeing the protection and evacuation of American citizens stationed overseas in the case of an emergency, just as the Taliban was taking over Afghanistan, according to an internal State Department memo obtained by the Washington Free Beacon and multiple sources familiar with the matter.


The Biden State Department moved to dissolve the Trump-era crisis response program, according to an internal State Department memo and sources familiar with the matter. That memo, which was marked sensitive but unclassified and was signed by Deputy Secretary Brian McKeon, approved the "discontinuation of the establishment, and termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)," a new State Department entity created during the Trump administration to coordinate emergency response services overseas.


We thought the Orange Man was bad? Welcome to worse.... much much worse.

This is it...oh, wait.
https://www.mediamatters.org/war-af...ry-biden-dismantled-agency-evacuate-americans

Kassam appeared to have attempted to conflate CCR, which was never formally organized, with the existing OpMed program that was first established under Obama (and appears to still be functional) in an effort to rebrand the entire agency as if it had been founded by Trump.

A State Department spokesperson told Fox News in a Wednesday email that it “is important to note that not only would the proposed Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau not have introduced any new capabilities to the Department, it was never formally established.”

“Some administrative steps were taken before its establishment was paused, but the day-to-day operations of the team have not changed,” the spokesperson said.

“Every requirement the Department delivered on last year, and since the proposed establishment of the bureau, can be delivered on today in the same manner if appropriate to do so,” they continued.

 

[Alphafail]

I'm not a Trump supporter by any means but despise Biden all the same.

Yes, I was pleasant surprised by his decision.

 

[emefer]

I'm wondering if the plane took off with the 10-20 people sitting on the outside. If yes then certainly they all died. What kind of person takes off knowing you would kill these people?

Thats my question.

There’s video of them falling off and reports of them hitting the ground along with pics.

 

[evansusmc2]

I give the scientist at Pfizer, Moderna and J&J credit for developing the vaccines. Trump didn't do anything any president wouldn't have done. What ever directive he gave was an easy lift.

There's a lot more to it and Trump did the best he could. But Hmmmm, well..... I guess this your answer is a whole lot better than most leftists flying off the handle and saying, " OH trump screwed it up and destroyed the country! Covid hit us worse than all other countries all because of Trump!!!! It was also Trump's fault I sprained my ankle during my looting rampage!!!"

 

[RogerB08]

There's a lot more to it and Trump did the best he could. But Hmmmm, well..... I guess this your answer is a whole lot better than most leftists flying off the handle and saying, " OH trump screwed it up and destroyed the country! Covid hit us worse than all other countries all because of Trump!!!! It was also Trump's fault I sprained my ankle during my looting rampage!!!"

Oh he fucked it up plenty with his constant undermining and muzzling of public health experts and punting to the states when a robust strategy at the federal level was needed.

 

[evansusmc2]

Trumps statement today on his withdrawal plan doesn’t mention saving Afghanis that helped US troops. He does say no chaos or death. lol I guess he would have bombed our military though. Sad

This is actually how it should have been done. He didn't mention Afhganis because that comes after and it's the job of the Afghan Army to take care of. And he mentioned bombed the bases WITHOUT anyone on them. He could have worded it a little better though.