Opinion Heart Disease vs. COVID 19

[Neph]

Also people saying people dont drop dead eating junk. Not true at all. My cousin of only 36 died from a heart attack. It was triggered by a heavy meal he ate literally hours before. He had a horrendous diet up to that point, all his life. This kind of shit happens more routinely then people think.


Its the truth of the matter. Nothing stupid about that.

I've never downplayed the importance and danger of Heart Disease, I've said that you won't die because someone next to you ate a Big Mac.

You aren't reading my posts and are way off topic, so I'm done. Feel free to read my posts at some point if that was ever the point of making this thread.

 

[ShadowRun]

Remember, we're all in this together.

Except we're not. Otherwise we'd take the mental health, economic and liberty aspects into consideration as well. But those with immunity, or suffering mental breakdowns of losing everything they've worked for must stfu and comply. Let's face it, there's more to life than just not dying. Just existing isn't the same as living.

Well said !
It goes along the lines of thinking with the 70+ genders. Recognize me ! So what if you are uncomfortable change your life for the sake of me and my choices.

Don't get me wrong of course the vulnerable should be protected. I think mask in airplanes and buses makes sense still. Negative COVID test flying out or in a country.

 

[Queen B]

We have a multitrillion dollar industry on healthy lifestyle

We mandate PE and health classes

 

[ShadowRun]

Also people saying people dont drop dead eating junk. Not true at all. My cousin of only 36 died from a heart attack. It was triggered by a heavy meal he ate literally hours before. He had a horrendous diet up to that point, all his life. This kind of shit happens more routinely then people think.


Its the truth of the matter. Nothing stupid about that.

Exactly we hear more about " go get the damn shot and wear your mask the little inconvenience will save lives"

So people have to do that while the 400 LB gang goes and orders another 4 cheeseburgers and diet coke right? Let people manage their own health risk. Don't trust people walking around with COVID ? wear n95 mask. ect .

 

[ShadowRun]

We have a multitrillion dollar industry on healthy lifestyle

We mandate PE and health classes

Don't keep up on the news? obesity is rising still, a lot of kids are allowed not to participate in PE now days.

 

[Queen B]

Don't keep up on the news? obesity is rising still, a lot of kids are allowed not to participate in PE now days.

Weight is also an identity choice. Being plus size doesn't mean heart disease.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

We have a multitrillion dollar industry on healthy lifestyle

We mandate PE and health classes

We? Whos we? Where are those multi trillions of dollars going? Whats it doing? Cause all i see are fat and out of shape people everywhere. From kids to elderly. All i see are multi trillions in ads and product placement for junk food and alcohol every damn where. Literally, everywhere....you couldnt even debate it or have a chance of combating it.

Listen, this society we live in is meant to keep you sickly and feinding for that pharma. Hospitals need to stay active. Doctors and specialists need to stay busy. Pharmaceutical companies need to make money and politicians and doctors need them to make money so they can receive their kickbacks.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Weight is also an identity choice. Being plus size doesn't mean heart disease.

 

[Bald1]

Well said !
It goes along the lines of thinking with the 70+ genders. Recognize me ! So what if you are uncomfortable change your life for the sake of me and my choices.

Don't get me wrong of course the vulnerable should be protected. I think mask in airplanes and buses makes sense still. Negative COVID test flying out or in a country.

I get it. In a just society we must protect our vulnerable or those who are helpless. We know how to do that, but they must also help themselves. Do we keep in perpetual lockdown mode because Sally from the trailer park can't help but stuff a dozen cheeseburgers down her throat daily? The immunocompromised should likewise take measures to safeguard their health and I'm more than willing to help accommodate that to a point. I'll mask up and keep my distance without a second thought as that's a fair ask.

Personally I don't want or need this type of "help" and should be allowed to make my own choices. Allowed? Lol. I do and will keep doing so. I'm also well aware that the next time (guaranteed there's going to be a next time as this thing isn't going away) I catch Covid it might kick my ass. And that's a chance I'm willing to take.

You've been to some of the shitholes of this world and I'm sure you've seen people take chances in order to have a better life and live free. Yet some people born to a life of luxury, and let's face it much of North America is luxury compared to recent world history, are so willing to bend over backwards to give away what others would value the most. Strange days indeed.

Damned wall of text

 

[Officer Rick]

Weight is also an identity choice. Being plus size doesn't mean heart disease.

No
To all of it...
Neither is being trans it's a mental illness overeating is also

 

[Goonerview]

Hi @Ezekiel 25:17

I'm not sure I agree with the analogy for a few reasons:

Heart Disease is a combination of genetic factors and lifestyle choices. COVID is transmissable and can be caught almost regardless of lifestyle choices. People who eat junk food and don't exercise are largely blamed for their own decisions (it certaintly isn't contagious - you don't get it sitting next to a fat person) while people who die of COVID are, comparatively at least, innocent.

Heart Disease has a mountain of time, money and effort thrown at it every year. It is stupendous the amount of effort that goes into promoting healthy lifestyles and choices, from truth in advertising legislation, tax laws that punish unhealthy food and encourage healthy eating, to school education and physical education to develop healthy habits from the earliest onset. Obviously there are no benefits to locking down society for Heart Disease - in fact, restricting exercise and leading a sedentary life is a risk factor for it - but there are for COVID. The risks should be assessed sensibly, objectively and humanely: short term lockdowns to prevent/reduce/limit COVID deaths while not endangering long term health is a good thing, while long term lockdowns are not a good thing for physical nor mental health. The exact degree of lockdown should come down to scientific evidence and it may differ from location to location depending on geographic or social, economic and cultural grounds.

I do feel there's a more nuanced conversation that can be had but I am concerned about this line in your post:

Psycologically raping and distorting peoples point of views and beliefs.

It isn't suggesting to me that this is conducive to discussion but I've done my best above.

Edit: made a few changes for clarity here and there

Resources and measures taken to combat heart disease are nowhere near the same scale as that of covid.

 

[maximus__]

Globally, heart disease kills around 12.7 million people per year compared to covid which has tallied up to about 3.4. Thats not even remotely close.

So when will we be pushing for bans on fast food and alcohol? When will we mandate daily exercise sessions for people to get their health up?

Meanwhile, nearly 10 million people die from hunger or nutrition related death every year.

So it seems either an over abundance of junk food or lack of food in general has been our number 1 world issue yearly, yet covid is literally the thing thats changing everything. Closing businesses, bankrupting people, causing spikes in mental health issues and suicide, driving wedges in relationships, making people lose their jobs. Psycologically raping and distorting peoples point of views and beliefs.

Does no one else see the mindfuck in all of this? Mortality rates are still also insanely low in people under 70. Average lifespan amongst humans is just under 80.

We have turned the world upside down over something that kills less people then cigarettes.....pulmonary disease btw.

And i have yet to know one person who has contracted this and felt the need to visit a hospital. Shits going too far with the fear based tactics imo. Theres at least 10 different things that could happen in a regular day that scares me more than this shit.

I can't catch your heart disease, inability to maintain your personal health and personal choices RE: alcohol and drugs. I can catch covid from you and in the initial outbreak locking down was the way to go. Unfortunately that ship has sailed and it failed because people chose to only do half a job about it. In reality we could have limited all movement in the world, tested every person within a month whilst locked down and eradicated this virus within a month or two. Instead everyone thought they were special and we didn't have a worldwide response. It was never going to happen but the potential was there. It almost worked in countries like Australia for the first wave.

Now that vaccines are available to people that want them it's time to open up. No different rules for people just let natural selection take it's course with the people who chose the vaccine having a slight edge in regards to covid. Mandate it to health care, emergency and government workers because they have no choice but to interact with possible positive cases. Pay them extra and cover the vaccinated workers healthcare, but if you aren't vaccinated and contract covid you pay out of pocket unless you are exempt due to a medical reason.

The best thing out of this is the potential for people to work from home. That should definitely become a regular part of the work life.

 

[Bald1]

I can't catch your heart disease, inability to maintain your personal health and personal choices RE: alcohol and drugs. I can catch covid from you and in the initial outbreak locking down was the way to go. Unfortunately that ship has sailed and it failed because people chose to only do half a job about it. In reality we could have limited all movement in the world, tested every person within a month whilst locked down and eradicated this virus within a month or two. Instead everyone thought they were special and we didn't have a worldwide response. It was never going to happen but the potential was there. It almost worked in countries like Australia for the first wave.

Now that vaccines are available to people that want them it's time to open up. No different rules for people just let natural selection take it's course with the people who chose the vaccine having a slight edge in regards to covid. Mandate it to health care, emergency and government workers because they have no choice but to interact with possible positive cases. Pay them extra and cover the vaccinated workers healthcare, but if you aren't vaccinated and contract covid you pay out of pocket unless you are exempt due to a medical reason.

The best thing out of this is the potential for people to work from home. That should definitely become a regular part of the work life.

The hope of a lockdown working was always a false one. This thing has been around since November but most people didn't give it a second thought until March. Thank China for that.

 

[Deorum]

Let's face it, there's more to life than just not dying.

Life Is For Living.

 

[Bald1]

Life Is For Living.

Seems only those who've been under the thumb of control freaks know this. Not a hard concept to grasp though.

 

[maximus__]

The hope of a lockdown working was always a false one. This thing has been around since November but most people didn't give it a second thought until March. Thank China for that.

What about lockdown with testing before being released? It's not doable, but youu could have pulled it off if people were dying in the streets instantaneously. That would have kept people inside.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

I can't catch your heart disease, inability to maintain your personal health and personal choices RE: alcohol and drugs. I can catch covid from you and in the initial outbreak locking down was the way to go. Unfortunately that ship has sailed and it failed because people chose to only do half a job about it. In reality we could have limited all movement in the world, tested every person within a month whilst locked down and eradicated this virus within a month or two. Instead everyone thought they were special and we didn't have a worldwide response. It was never going to happen but the potential was there. It almost worked in countries like Australia for the first wave.

Now that vaccines are available to people that want them it's time to open up. No different rules for people just let natural selection take it's course with the people who chose the vaccine having a slight edge in regards to covid. Mandate it to health care, emergency and government workers because they have no choice but to interact with possible positive cases. Pay them extra and cover the vaccinated workers healthcare, but if you aren't vaccinated and contract covid you pay out of pocket unless you are exempt due to a medical reason. Something i might not have a chance against, regardless of my lifestyle.

The best thing out of this is the potential for people to work from home. That should definitely become a regular part of the work life.

The straight and narrow is this. Close to 90% of my friends and family have gotten the vaccination. The vast majority of them routinely get sick, feel like crap, complain about all types of issues, yadda yadda. I have not gotten it. I have never in my adult life, i repeat, never in my adult life visited a doctors office or hospital for my own issues. I rarely ever get sick. Last time i was sick for more then a few days was like 4 years ago cause i went on party bender.

Its cause i treat my mind and body with respect. Im personally not worried about it. I have no pre existing conditions and am in peak shape. Im more worried about getting say, cancer which has routinely taken out friends and family members throughout the years indiscriminately.

The point that you may be missing is what i pointed out over and over. You injesting all that garbage only weakens your bodies ability to fight off infections/viruses. People who get the vaccine then continue living the way they do are the biggest hypocrites out there. Contradicting everything this virus represents. Using this vaccine as a shield while the real threat is literally ignored.

 

[maximus__]

The straight and narrow is this. Close to 90% of my friends and family have gotten the vaccination. The vast majority of them routinely get sick, feel like crap, complain about all types of issues, yadda yadda. I have not gotten it. I have never in my adult life, i repeat, never in my adult life visited a doctors office or hospital for my own issues. I rarely ever get sick. Last time i was sick for more then a few days was like 4 years ago cause i went on party bender.

Its cause i treat my mind and body with respect. Im personally not worried about it. I have no pre existing conditions and am in peak shape. Im more worried about getting say, cancer which has routinely taken out friends and family members throughout the years indiscriminately.

The point that you may be missing is what i pointed out over and over. You injesting all that garbage only weakens your bodies ability to fight off infections/viruses. People who get the vaccine then continue living the way they do are the biggest hypocrites out there. Contradicting everything this virus represents. Using this vaccine as a shield while the real threat is literally ignored.

I completely agree on most of what you said. Getting the vaccination and not addressing anything else is just dumb if you think youu are now invincible from everything.
I am similar to you though I regularly get sick due to having children(they are worst than Chinese virology labs) and being a shift worker.

I even had a bad reaction to my first covid vax resulting in a short ED admission. Australia is making it compulsory to live life so I am getting my vaccine. I am just looking at it as a flu shot really. It will either protect me or achieve nothing, but it gets me back to normal life quicker.

I am listening to a Lex Friedman podcast with an expert on Viruses who is explaining MRNA vaccines. I am only two hours into it and haven't had the chance to confirm what he was saying. Lets just say most of the mainstream info on these vaccines is completely wrong.

 

[Bald1]

What about lockdown with testing before being released? It's not doable, but youu could have pulled it off if people were dying in the streets instantaneously. That would have kept people inside.

We didn't have reliable tests for months nor did we know how long the infected remained courageous. Even the standard 14 days quarantine isn't a guarantee but rather an educated guess. China knowingly coved it up until the damned thing went global. As is everyone is going to get Covid unless you live in complete isolation. The sooner people accept this inevitably the sooner we can move on.


If people were dying in the streets instantly I'd have locked myself inside and would have only left to loot stores of food and toilet paper and to line up to get all the vaccines. Lol. Thankfully that's not even close to reality.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

I completely agree on most of what you said. Getting the vaccination and not addressing anything else is just dumb if you think youu are now invincible from everything.
I am similar to you though I regularly get sick due to having children(they are worst than Chinese virology labs) and being a shift worker.

I even had a bad reaction to my first covid vax resulting in a short ED admission. Australia is making it compulsory to live life so I am getting my vaccine. I am just looking at it as a flu shot really. It will either protect me or achieve nothing, but it gets me back to normal life quicker.

I am listening to a Lex Friedman podcast with an expert on Viruses who is explaining MRNA vaccines. I am only two hours into it and haven't had the chance to confirm what he was saying. Lets just say most of the mainstream info on these vaccines is completely wrong.

Also, i dont mean to bash or hate on peoples lifestyle, but i am usually cornered by people who put zero emphasis on their health. Yet they champion the vaccine like it was brought down from the heavens on a silver platter.

This reliance on drugs, pills, medications, pharma is unhealthy. The urge to just go to your doctor to administer some perscriptions to make the pain go away is not necessarily a good thing. The notion that people take joy in a vaccine that can afford them a pass to continue a lifestyle of crap is just comedy to me.

People seriously need to see the big picture. Fast.