Opinion The end of the War on Islam

[Anewt]

This is a shallow point that has been debunked repeatedly, in the minds of racists Islam is tightly coupled with black/brown skin, therefore a lot of anti-Muslim sentiment comes down to racism.

Nope... nice try. It'd be very convenient for you if you could dismiss the dislike of a ideology as racist tho wouldn't it.

 

[moosaev]

Nope... nice try. It'd be very convenient for you if you could dismiss the dislike of a ideology as racist tho wouldn't it.

“Nope” isn’t an argument dummy

 

[Anewt]

“Nope” isn’t an argument dummy

That's because there is no argument... you can't be racist to a ideology.... full stop.

 

[moosaev]

That's because there is no argument... you can't be racist to a ideology.... full stop.

You’re truly an idiot. Racists are dumb, they don’t distinguish between ideology and race. They know that brown people with beards and funny turbans are Muslim. They know the dark guy named Mohamed is Muslim, so they hate them for who they are. That’s racism. Why do you think Sikhs always get attacked by anti-Muslim racist bigots? A Sikh isn’t Muslim, but by your logic it can’t be a racist attack if a racist kills a Sikh because he thinks he’s Muslim.

 

[Anewt]

You’re truly an idiot. Racists are dumb, they don’t distinguish between ideology and race. They know that brown people with beards and funny turbans are Muslim. They know the dark guy named Mohamed is Muslim, so they hate them for who they are. That’s racism. Why do you think Sikhs always get attacked by anti-Muslim bigots?

Yes there are racists, then there's those who dislike your ideology. Trying to combine the 2 is hilarious.

If anything your proving my point.. they attacked Sikhs because of the garb they wore, because they thought he was part of your ideology... not because " he was brown " they attacked because they thought they were Muslim... literally targeted because of the perceived ideology.. not because of their race.... It's still a heinous crime imo but done because the dumbarses wanted revenge against the Islamic ideology.. not " brown people ". and they still should be locked up for life.

So they literally were targeting people for mistaken identity.. ( wrongly assigning ideology) not because they were brown. Any Muslim regardless of race / ethnicity could walk straight past the vast majority of people in " regular clothes " and nobody would have a clue.

Not that they should have to . ( wear whatever ya want. Fuck those guys )

Not racism... sorry I know it makes things easier for you to think you're A huge victim and critics of your religion are " racist ". But it's just not applicable.

Edit of course there are racist muslim haters tho.. racists definitely exist. But you're just using it far to freely as a argument point to dismiss criticisms of your faith.

 

[Anewt]

Because honestly moosaev , I picture you as a pale white guy. Which makes me laugh at the " racism " calls. Whether or not you are is kind of irrelevant . So it seems odd to me that everyone who speaks badly of your ideology is racist lol

 

[Alphafail]

Interesting that the three countries with the largest Muslim populations in Europe, the UK, France, and Russia, have the most positive views of Muslims.

I think it's pretty natural, since they actually interact more with muslims and realize that, by the end of the day, most just want a good job, take care of their families, have sex with their spouses, etc., much like themselves.

 

[12ga.]

Until we address the core of what made OBLs we will continue to face Islamic Terror as a threat and be forced to respond to it. I happen to remember a time terrorism from ME didnt exist. When I was a kid they didnt even have metal detectors when boarding a plane...many years ago late 60s early 70s.... back When USA was more interested in fairness post WW2 and actually expanding democracy. All that changed with the Iron grip Israel has on our politics which allows their colonial expansion project to grow not only unfettered but with full diplomatic, military and economic support. The regimes we support in ME, the same way as we support Israel, are all brutal undemocratic - engaging in torture and summary execution. Yet have our 100% support such as SISI in Egypt or Al Saud family in KSA. Certain elements will blame us for this unjustness and react forcing our reaction to them but it never get's to the core issues. A lot of things are like this and skip around the issues. Black crime rate and so on.

 

[hitcher]

Seems like a pretty clear case of double standards from my POV. Other posters are saying far more vile things but since its directed at Islam they're afforded the benefit of the doubt. Meanwhile repeating what is a pretty innocuous and oft repeated phrase("Islam is the fastest growing religion") apparently makes one a jihadist sympathizer. Weird but okay.

Surprisingly poor thinking, albeit it is likely deliberately framed this way. Nobody cares that you think it is the fastest growing religion, but rather the implication (or more likely wishful thinking) in that is that Islam is going to be a major power in this world once again. Newsflash and facts: The majority of Islamic countries are uneducated and have been this way for centuries. These countries do not produce relevant scientists. Hundred of millions of Muslims cannot even take Israel, which hosts a much smaller number of people. So you might say and hope that Islam is going to be the biggest religion. The above mentioned facts won’t be changed by that.

 

[hitcher]

You’re so unconcerned that you chose to comment

Honestly mate, I hope you are only acting like a retard and trying to troll here.

How else is he going to communicate to you that he is not concerned? Are you a mind reader? If he did not reply, you would not know.

 

[Cole train]

Interesting that the three countries with the largest Muslim populations in Europe, the UK, France, and Russia, have the most positive views of Muslims.

I really would like to know how this study was conducted because i smell bs conserning russia.

Southern regions are muslim and moscow has heavy muslim population but otherwise islam is not really popular there

That being said rus was near 10 percent islamic in 2002 so who knows how big islam is now

 

[moosaev]

Honestly mate, I hope you are only acting like a retard and trying to troll here.

How else is he going to communicate to you that he is not concerned? Are you a mind reader? If he did not reply, you would not know.

I was referring to his original comment. He started tut tutting me, then says he doesn’t care anyway. Shut your pie hole if you don’t care.

 

[moosaev]

Surprisingly poor thinking, albeit it is likely deliberately framed this way. Nobody cares that you think it is the fastest growing religion, but rather the implication (or more likely wishful thinking) in that is that Islam is going to be a major power in this world once again. Newsflash and facts: The majority of Islamic countries are uneducated and have been this way for centuries. These countries do not produce relevant scientists. Hundred of millions of Muslims cannot even take Israel, which hosts a much smaller number of people. So you might say and hope that Islam is going to be the biggest religion. The above mentioned facts won’t be changed by that.

And how is hoping that Islam will be a major world power again offensive to anyone? It shouldn’t be. The question here is the fake outrage to my comments about Muslims being the majority one day. You’re arguing a tangential point.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I really would like to know how this study was conducted because i smell bs conserning russia.

Southern regions are muslim and moscow has heavy muslim population but otherwise islam is not really popular there

That being said rus was near 10 percent islamic in 2002 so who knows how big islam is now

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/10/14/minority-groups/

They had one for Jews too

 

[Denter]

God, this thread devolved.

 

[Denter]

And how is hoping that Islam will be a major world power again offensive to anyone? It shouldn’t be. The question here is the fake outrage to my comments about Muslims being the majority one day. You’re arguing a tangential point.

This is clearly a deeply emotional subject for a lot of people, but yeah, the idea that Islam as in the early medieval Caliphate just somehow magically appearing and governing 1/5 of the world between Morocco and Indonesia is, if anything, more fanciful than someone reforming the Holy Roman Empire or the Papal States.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

This is clearly a deeply emotional subject for a lot of people, but yeah, the idea that Islam as in the early medieval Caliphate just somehow magically appearing and governing 1/5 of the world between Morocco and Indonesia is, if anything, more fanciful than someone reforming the Holy Roman Empire or the Papal States.

The idea of a medieval Caliphate rising again in the modern world of nation states is far fetched. Many muslims though faced with war, colonialism, genocide and corrupt authoritarian strongmen in their home countries may sign up for a form of modern pan-Islamism that would rescue them from hardships and indignities they face now. This is only my opinion but I also believe that many are ashamed of the fact that they have been colonized and surpassed by Europeans and are not the preeminence of power they once were. A global pan Islamic "Caliphate" may bring them to that seat again.

 

[moosaev]

The idea of a medieval Caliphate rising again in the modern world of nation states is far fetched. Many muslims though faced with war, colonialism, genocide and corrupt authoritarian strongmen in their home countries may sign up for a form of modern pan-Islamism that would rescue them from hardships and indignities they face now. This is only my opinion but I also believe that many are ashamed of the fact that they have been colonized and surpassed by Europeans and are not the preeminence of power they once were. A global pan Islamic "Caliphate" may bring them to that seat again.

Are you familiar with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs? The vast majority of Muslims are occupied with the basics of providing shelter, food and security to their families, they simply don’t have the mental bandwidth to be concerned with the Muslim world’s fall from grace. In specific contexts this does come up, for example Israel and the status of Jerusalem. Most Muslims feel deeply angered that the Muslim world cannot muster the kind of unity and global political/military pressure to defend Palestinians and the Muslim claim to Jerusalem. Outside of that, small fringe groups like ISIS are trying to resurrect the bygone reality but the idea that there is a wide scale program of Muslims trying to take over the world and resurrect the Caliphate is laughably absurd. The disturbing thing is among large parts of the Conservative European and American establishment it’s almost taken as a given that this is the Muslim plan. The deranged anti-Semitic conspiracies of yesteryear have been replaced with deranged anti-Muslim conspiracies of today. People actually site books like Eurabia as though it’s a serious book. People listen to lunatics like Robert Spencer and Douglas Murray.

 

[Denter]

Are you familiar with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs? The vast majority of Muslims are occupied with the basics of providing shelter, food and security to their families, they simply don’t have the mental bandwidth to be concerned with the Muslim world’s fall from grace. In specific contexts this does come up, for example Israel and the status of Jerusalem. Most Muslims feel deeply angered that the Muslim world cannot muster the kind of unity and global political/military pressure to defend Palestinians and the Muslim claim to Jerusalem. Outside of that, small fringe groups like ISIS are trying to resurrect the bygone reality but the idea that there is a wide scale program of Muslims trying to take over the world and resurrect the Caliphate is laughably absurd. The disturbing thing is among large parts of the Conservative European and American establishment it’s almost taken as a given that this is the Muslim plan. The deranged anti-Semitic conspiracies of yesteryear have been replaced with deranged anti-Muslim conspiracies of today. People actually site books like Eurabia as though it’s a serious book. People listen to lunatics like Robert Spencer and Douglas Murray.

It reminds me of the out-of-touch whining about Iran. "Look at these women wearing skirts in the 70s!". Most people in Iran (esp. in the 70s, but so today as well) are concerned with having their basic needs met. Amorphous ideas about "sexual freedom" are so far down the list of what is a pressing problem that it makes the regime changers just look insane.

 

[moosaev]

It reminds me of the out-of-touch whining about Iran. "Look at these women wearing skirts in the 70s!". Most people in Iran (esp. in the 70s, but so today as well) are concerned with having their basic needs met. Amorphous ideas about "sexual freedom" are so far down the list of what is a pressing problem that it makes the regime changers just look insane.

Right, it's just horribly out of touch. Anand Gopal just wrote a wonderful long form article on the issues in Afghanistan that puts this issue front and center: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women

He should win the Pulitzer for this, give it a read. Highly recommend.