Opinion Where do you draw the line on gun regulation?

Yeah, fuck it. I'm just going to sit on my doorstep polishing my musket in my red coat.
Bunch of archaic bullshit.

well, like i already said... we have personal cannons and battleships and machine guns and revolvers back then, so...

yeah, i'm sure the founders would be in shock and horror of civilians owning... semi-auto rifles.

<Ellaria01>
 
Personally, I'm good with most of the current rules and regs on guns.

I'm good with fully automatic weapons being regulated as they are now.

I do wish there was a national permit to carry obtainable by qualified citizens.

I do wish Federal Tax Stamps for suppressors could be amended to add additional suppressors to the record without having to start the entire process over again.

I think the un-serialized 80% gun market is a bit nebulous and unnecessary, and that bump stocks are a cheap gimmick but that's just me.

I wished people cared more about the fundamentals of marksmanship and revered discipline of weapons rather than how cool they think the things looks and how they can post a video like some dickhead.
 
If cannons are so efficient, why aren't they ever used to commit crimes? I don't think you thought this one through. You also haven't addressed the thread topic.

I'm asking where you draw the line at what civilians should be allowed to own. Knives are at one end. Nukes are at the other. Surely you have a line somewhere in between those two.

<JagsKiddingMe>

you've clowned your own topic so badly that there's no reason to address it.

lolz @ the circles you just ran with cannons, alone.

<{1-1}>
 
<JagsKiddingMe>

you've clowned your own topic so badly that there's no reason to address it.

lolz @ the circles you just ran with cannons, alone.

<{1-1}>

I don't know what point you think you made but you failed at whatever you were attempting while not even addressing the thread topic.
 
well, like i already said... we have personal cannons and battleships and machine guns and revolvers back then, so...

yeah, i'm sure the founders would be in shock and horror of civilians owning... semi-auto rifles.

<Ellaria01>

Where do you draw the line at what weapons civilians should be allowed to own?
 
Where do you draw the line at what weapons civilians should be allowed to own?

who cares, you derailed this so hard from that intended purpose, yourself.

so, umm... cruise missiles, i guess?
 
who cares, you derailed this so hard from that intended purpose, yourself.

so, umm... cruise missiles, i guess?

You haven't made a coherent point yet. Spell out specifically what argument you think you are making.
 
Mortars, mini-guns, grenade launchers, maybe attack choppers and f-5s. After that nah.

Def no cluster bombs though.
What’s your issue with cluster bombs? They always get a bad rap…
 
Why do you think people need assault weapons?
I'm all for protecting yourself and your property if you go through stringent mental health checks etc, but why do you NEED an AR15?

Because a handgun is a piss-poor weapon for protecting your property compared to a semi-auto rifle.

Personally, I'd ban handguns outright... why does anybody need to conceal a weapon? and if you don't why are you using a handgun (see first point).
 
You haven't made a coherent point yet. Spell out specifically what argument you think you are making.

<JagsKiddingMe>

says the genius that claimed a rifle is more efficient at mass murder than A FREAKIN' CANNON... and then rambled about nukes, for no apparent reason.

{<jordan}

you clowned your own thread, brah.
 
Any kind of armed drones are a definite no from me. It would make remotely assassinating people you don't like insanely easy.
 
I don't see why I can't have an AA gun on my suburban property.
As long as you're not mentally defective and want to shoot down airliners flying close enough to your property there shouldn't be any reason you can't.
 
I struggle with guns because they are so complicated. I believe in personal freedom but you can't just have everything. At the same time, I don't think it's the government's right to know everything you have. That's big brother.

I think I would define the "right to bear arms" as handguns, shotguns and rifles. Any gun of that caliber, you are free to own and privately trade without any registration. To me, right to bear arms really should be "right to personal defense" and should be the idea that you are allowed to own guns to protect yourself and your family.

It seems like the big debate in the past 20+ years as been the AR-15. Technically, the AR-15 i just a rifle. It's scary to people because it looks big and scary and has a high capacity cartridge. The argument is why do you need an AR-15? Why do you need a PS5? Why do you need your nails done? Why do you need a car that goes over the speed limit? etc. etc. It's a bad argument. That said, you can do a lot of damage with AR-15s and if we find that they are being used in more than 50% of mass shootings, you unfortunately do probably need to regulate that.

So perhaps you regulate ownership of guns that hold high capacity carts. Maybe you *do* register those type of guns. Maybe for those type of guns or higher caliber guns, you have to get a license and certification.

The big issue for me is that the genie is out of the bottle. Even if you banned all guns, guns still exist. We are not the world. They are still being made, the patents exists and they'll be made in other countries. People that want guns will get guns. If you became really strict and put people away for 10 years for gun possession, people will simply turn to knives and other weapons. You'll fix mass shootings but now you'll have a knife epidemic on your hands.

The reality is the people that own guns are not the people doing these mass shootings. It's mentally ill people getting their hands on guns. The better idea is trying to find ways on how to made it harder for those type of people to get guns.
Yes, and to your point on cars that go over the speed limit maybe we should require anyone wanting a car that goes over 65 to get a cert from an advanced driving school showing they can be safe at speeds over 65. If they are in an accident involving speeds over 65 and shown to be at fault, they lose their right to operate a vehicle capable of going over 65. They will also be at fault if they allow their vehicle to be driven by someone not rated for vehicles capable of +65 speeds.
 
Is that why the military strictly controls all of it's firearms? I mean, we are talking about trained personnel here, and yet the military highly regulates the use and/or access to firearms by it's soldiers.

I wonder why?

There are certainly parts of the world you can move to where there aren't any restrictions on firearms whatsoever, but unfortunately they are all shitholes that you wouldn't want to live in. Suggesting that private citizens have EASY access to bombs and devices designed to strictly kill large amounts of people is ridiculous.

This thread was about gun regulation and my comment expressed as much. Never said anything about bombs or devices that could kill large amounts of people.

Folks who join the military are trained to use highly specialized firearms, they arent born with an intrinsic nature upon how to handle them. My feelings are American citizens should have that same access military has to whatever training is necessary and whatever sensible regulations are pertinent to proper usage of those firearms military has access to.
 
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