Social BLM threatens retaliation over vaccine mandate

[terrapin]

It's not necessarily about not liking the covid vaccines. It can simply be for that individual they dont really need it because of their age/health/immune system and would rather not take a new vaccine with unknown long lasting side effects.

That downloads as selfishness to all the educated people I've directed to forums like this.

 

[SaiWa]

Statistical proportions matter -- and considering the dems base is all over represented in unvaccinated, id say their problem as it results to their base is a more of an issue than the white majority who is not over represented in vaccine obtainment.

If we are talking about a small population total then i'd agree with you but we are talking about 300+ million people here. Not being overrepresented does not mean that group isn't a problem. We have a shit ton of unvaccinated white people and there are more them than all the other minority unvaccinated combined. This is a fact.

When hospitals are being flooded with COVID patients and they die the majority of those unvaccinated deaths are white (as in more than 50% are white). That is a fact. Just because they are underrepresented per racial population doesn't mean they aren't part of the problem. They are the lion's share of the problem.

 

[terrapin]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/harris-vaccine-tweet


So now you despise Harris too, right? After all, she's the one who said it, not our "side".

i dont think you understand either her position, my position or both.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

If we are talking about a small population total then i'd agree with you but we are talking about 300+ million people here. Not being overrepresented does not mean that group isn't a problem.

When hospitals are being flooded with patients and they die the majority of those unvaccinated deaths are white (as in more than 50% are white). That is a fact. Just because they are underrepresented per racial population doesn't mean they aren't part of the problem. They are the lion's share of the problem.

No, because white people are over represented in vaccinations and under represented in deaths and hospitalizations and even cases. The numbers for black representation in hospitals, cases and deaths far exceeds their under representation in vaccines. I dont think there is a state in the land in which the Black population isnt under vaccinated and over wildly over represented in the cases and death category -- some by nearly a factor of 2, plenty by a factor of 1.5. Its crazy to me the populace most likely to be impacted by covid is also the one most likely to resist getting the vaccine.

 

[IamStryker]

That downloads as selfishness to all the educated people I've directed to forums like this.

I may have misunderstood this post so can you clarify. You or others are saying its selfish to not take the vaccine?

 

[SaiWa]

No, because white people are over represented in vaccinations and under represented in deaths and hospitalizations and even cases. The numbers for black representation in hospitals, cases and deaths far exceeds their under representation in vaccines. I dont think there is a state in the land in which the Black population isnt under vaccinated and over wildly over represented in the cases and death category -- some by nearly a factor of 2, plenty by a factor of 1.5. Its crazy to me the populace most likely to be impacted by covid is also the one most likely to resist getting the vaccine.

No one is disputing the fact that black and hispanic/latino race are overrepresented when it comes to being unvaccinated. But black people make up 13.4% of the total population. Latino/Hispanic make up 18.5%. Whites are 60%.

What you claimed is statistically incorrect.

The largest demographics who are opposed to vaccination are white people. That is a fact. Yes white people have a higher vaccination rate compared to blacks/hispanics/latinos but they have a much larger population as well so there are also more white unvaccinated people than unvaccinated whatever. More than 50% of all unvaccinated are white. They are the largest demographics of unvaccinated in the United States and they make up the lion's share of the COVID hospitalization and death cases. If you do not understand this then you need a refresher in basic numbers and statistics...

 

[The Big Bang]

And just like that, the War Room supported BLM.

While I loathe platitudes, I welcome actual change to redress inequality. Kudos to BLM for identifying an actual policy which disproportionately affects black people.

Unvaxed black people are holding THEMSELVES down.

No need to blame others.

 

[12ga.]

No... lol

But I'm looking forward to sitting back and watching how this plays out.

My guess is that the Left MSM will avoid any discussion of this topic. I'll be shocked if any news orgs like CNN even acknowledge it.

Thats exactly what they are doing. Just google news "Blacks Vaccine" Only stories that pop up are from conservatives sites like National Review or Fox.

I'm Vaxxed since April - high risk 52 yr old - but don't blame any race not trusting the gov/media when all they do is lie. In this case they are trying to portray it as Trump hold outs causing all this death when in fact it's a board spectrum of American's who simply do not trust the institutions. But of course that will never be addressed

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

No one is disputing the fact that black, hispanics are overrepresented when it comes to being unvaccinated. But black people make 13.4% of the total population. Latino/Hispanic make up 18.5%. Whites are 60%.

What you claimed is statistically incorrect.

The largest demographics who are opposed to vaccination are white people. That is a fact. Yes white people have a higher vaccination rate compared to blacks/hispanics/whites but they have a much larger population as well so there are also more white unvaccinated people than unvaccinated whatever. More than 50% of all unvaccinated are white. They are the largest demographics of unvaccinated in the United States and they make up the lion's share of the COVID hospitalization and death cases. If you do not understand this then you need a refresher in basic numbers and statistics...

No, thats why i say statistical representation matters. You are invoking the same rhetoric that antivaxxers use when debating Israel -- yes, surges in vaxed covid cases are rising, but the number of adults with the vaccine are significantly higher than unvaxed, ergo its not a statistical error, its a major component in Bernoulli Distribution. So if you want a cookie for saying the highest populated race is going to have the highest chance of overall cases in something, sure. However, that is also applied to a myriad of other variables as well: Number of white people shot by the police is higher than black, number of people in poverty, etc -- and right wingers will bring up that argument all the time, does that make it valid??

The point of using statistical ratios of what has a higher chance as a percentage is introduce logic beyond whole numbers -- in this case, if we had a room off hundred people, 50 black and 50 white randomly selected from each state which side would have more unnvaccinated?

Now if you said the US as a whole has an under vaccinated issue, id agree -- but remember, my original post was based on voter base, and the DEMS voter based is far likelier to be under vaccinated during a period of when vax passes are being more rolled out; and the subsequent blacklash they may face from that. Hence why Black Live Matter is injecting themselves into this.

 

[SaiWa]

No, thats why i say statistical representation matters. You are invoking the same rhetoric that antivaxxers use when debating Israel -- yes, surges in vaxed covid cases are rising, but the number of adults with the vaccine are significantly higher than unvaxed, ergo its not a statistical error, its a major component in Bernoulli Distribution. So if you want a cookie for saying the highest populated race is going to have the highest chance of overall cases in something, sure. However, that is also applied to a myriad of other variables as well: Number of white people shot by the police is higher than black, number of people in poverty, etc -- and right wingers will bring up that argument all the time, does that make it valid??

The point of using statistical ratios of what has a higher chance as a percentage is introduce logic beyond whole numbers -- in this case, if we had a room off hundred people, 50 black and 50 white randomly selected from each state which side would have more unnvaccinated?

Now if you said the US as a whole has an under vaccinated issue, id agree -- but remember, my original post was based on voter base, and the DEMS voter based is far likelier to be under vaccinated during a period of when vax passes are being more rolled out; and the subsequent blacklash they may face from that. Hence why Black Live Matter is injecting themselves into this.

Wrong.

Again you don't know what you are talking about. You claimed this:

Considering the largest demographics to be opposed to the vaccine are blacks, Hispanics, females and youth, it should be fun watching how Dems handle this considering they are opposing their biggest bases. I mean if they stick with the mandate I'll applaud them for showing balls, but this is certainly going to impact the midterms

It's utter nonsense.

From a race standpoint more white people are unvaccinated compared to blacks + Latinos (you can throw in all the other races too)
From a sex standpoint more males are unvaccinated compared to females (10% point higher)
*note: you can straight up compare the sex population because they are roughly equal (51% female - 49% male).

As for youth that's normal since a good chunk of them were not allowed to be vaccinated and that group tends to think they are invincible.

And if you tried to group them together for comparison then you are just outright retarded.

Again the largest demographics of unvaccinated are white people by race and men by sex.

All i am doing is correcting your nonsense because you are factually incorrect.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Wrong.

Again you don't know what you are talking about. You claimed this:



It's utter nonsense.

From a race standpoint more white people are unvaccinated compared to blacks + Latinos
From a sex standpoint more males are unvaccinated compared to females (10% point higher)

As for youth that's normal since a good chunk of them were not allowed to be vaccinated and that group tends to think they are invincible.

And if you tried to group them together for comparison then you are just outright retarded.

Again the largest demographics of unvaccinated are white people by race and men by sex.

All i am doing is correcting your nonsense because you are factually incorrect.

So your position is whole numbers regardless of statistical proportion is whats important. Ok, carry that same energy when you're discussing police brutality, poverty, education, Israeli covid cases etc.

Why is BLM interjecting themselves into this? As a ratio, is a black person more or less likely to be vaccinated than a white person? As a ratio, which race may be most impacted by vaccine passports?

 

[fingercuffs]

spare me the melodrama, thanks. i think if the vaccine was even somewhat likely to be dangerous, the fallout and backlash would be catastrophic for the developers and the american government who bought 400 million doses. the science all seems to confirm that the vaccine is the most effective current preventative measure. i just understand why people want to wait it out as long as they can.

I don't know why you're in a tizz about it,

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I don't know why you're in a tizz about it,

uhhh, i’m not?

 

[SaiWa]

So your position is whole numbers regardless of statistical proportion is whats important. Ok, carry that same energy when you're discussing police brutality, poverty, education, etc.

You claimed something that was incorrect. You claimed these groups of people were the largest demographics of unvaccinated when that was statistically incorrect. Either you're shit at English and didn't understand the words you were you using or you're shit at math/statistics (or maybe both).

If you're gonna claim something you better back it up with legit data. The data didn't support your bogus claim. Get your facts straight and you won't be embarrassed in this manner again.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Fuck the vaccine mandates, Im glad “people of color” are willing to fuck shit up over this too. They need to reel that crap back.

Its all vaccinated employees at mine and at everybody I know on the planets jobs that are getting sick/covid and coming to work and straight clearing out dept.’s…..yet the jobs wanna require them LMFAO

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

You claimed something that was incorrect. You claimed these groups of people were the largest demographics of unvaccinated when that was statistically incorrect. Either you're shit at English and didn't understand the words you were you using or you're shit at math/statistics (or maybe both).

If you're gonna claim something you better back it up with legit data. The data didn't support your bogus claim. Get your facts straight and you won't be embarrassed in this manner again.

I totally get you only view whole numbers with no variable analysis -- all i ask is you keep that same energy when discussing other issues that rely on statistical representation. Or you just triggered by the phrasing largest demographics? Would "demographics most likely to be unvaxxed" soothe you?

But i ask again, why is BLM interjecting themselves in on this

 

[fingercuffs]

Fuck the vaccine mandates, Im glad “people of color” are willing to fuck shit up over this too. They need to reel that crap back.

Its all vaccinated employees at mine and at everybody I know on the planets jobs that are getting sick/covid and coming to work and straight clearing out dept.’s…..yet the jobs wanna require them LMFAO

What sort of asshole would go to work knowing they have Covid?

 

[TriangleMonkey]

What sort of asshole would go to work knowing they have Covid?

When vaccinated asshole had the sniffles at work, and decides for some stupid ass reason to get tested over the weekend, of course he’s gonna trigger a positive. Then asshole proceeds to follow “protocol” and calls HR, now dept. gets cleared out when they get contact trace info. Even the ones at work that may have been affected and also developed “sniffles”, fully vaxxed.

So fully vaxxed assholes are able to wreck havoc at jobs that require all workers to be vaxxed.

 

[terrapin]

What sort of asshole would go to work knowing they have Covid?

Anti vaccine people are often like this. They dont mind getting other people sick with the "flu". They dont vaccine, they most often dont mask and they usually wont social distance either.

Its the height of selfishness and self centeredness.

 

[SaiWa]

I totally get you only view whole numbers with no variable analysis -- all i ask is you keep that same energy when discussing other issues that rely on statistical representation. Or you just triggered by the phrasing largest demographics? Would "demographics most likely to be unvaxxed" soothe you?

But i ask again, why is BLM interjecting themselves in on this

If you had used statistics correctly i wouldn't have said shit. You posted utter nonsense and that is what triggers me. If you don't know how to use numbers properly don't use them and don't claim something that requires them.

If you had said demographics that are most likely unvaccinated per population type you would have still been incorrect on the sex one.

I really don't care about BLM and their stance on vaccination. It's the exact same thing for religious groups. Most of these religious groups are also against vaccination mandates. So fuck 'em all.