International [NATO News] What Sweden brings to NATO as its Newest Member

[Arkain2K]

 

[shinkyoku]

So... a bit of an update.
Erdogan has stated today that he will agree to let sweden join NATO, if UE restart negotiations to allow Turkey to join the EU, probably with some kind of promise of support from prominent NATO countries
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66153641



The previous attempt of Turkey to join the EU didnt so much strand as ran aground a reef back in 2016, and has basically been aborted since then. It was a huge defeat for Erdogan. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...long-tortuous-road-to-join-the-european-union
Now it appears that Erdogran will try to get a renewal of the negotiations to hold up as a victory for his home audience, in return for allowing sweden to join.

 

[Scerpi]

So... a bit of an update.
Erdogan has stated today that he will agree to let sweden join NATO, if UE restart negotiations to allow Turkey to join the EU, probably with some kind of promise of support from prominent NATO countries
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66153641



The previous attempt of Turkey to join the EU didnt so much strand as ran aground a reef back in 2016, and has basically been aborted since then. It was a huge defeat for Erdogan. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...long-tortuous-road-to-join-the-european-union
Now it appears that Erdogran will try to get a renewal of the negotiations to hold up as a victory for his home audience, in return for allowing sweden to join.

Like Erdogan has any say if Sweden joins or not.

Is he trying to exert some phantom influence? lol...

 

[HockeyBjj]

Like Erdogan has any say if Sweden joins or not.

Is he trying to exert some phantom influence? lol...

He does have a say. Any NATO member can veto any new country joining

 

[shinkyoku]

Like Erdogan has any say if Sweden joins or not.

Is he trying to exert some phantom influence? lol...

Well, according to Nato consensus rules he has veto power which he has used as to bloc sweden for a while now (in case you missed it somehow), so... Yes.

 

[Scerpi]

He does have a say. Any NATO member can veto any new country joining

One country can hold out? It has to be unanimous?

Genius. What a great idea, so Turkey can black ball Sweden until they get into the EU?

How much does Turkey contribute to NATO again? Are they even making 1% GDP while the US puts in over 3%?

Maybe there should Regulation in NATO where you have contribute your min amount or you don't get to vote... lol.

 

[shinkyoku]

One country can hold out? It has to be unanimous?

Genius. What a great idea, so Turkey can black ball Sweden until they get into the EU?

How much does Turkey contribute to NATO again? Are they even making 1% GDP while the US puts in over 3%?

Maybe there should Regulation in NATO where you have contribute your min amount or you don't get to vote... lol.

Turkey is not in Nato due to how much they contribute in %, and they certainly no longer themselves fulfill minimum requirements of democracy. Turkey is important in NATO due to its geographic location and its strategic position controlling the black sea.
But the rules was created back when NATO was founded, and the consensus rule made much more sense with only a handful members nations who just had been allied against (or occupied by) a common foe.

 

[Yehudim]

One country can hold out? It has to be unanimous?

Genius. What a great idea, so Turkey can black ball Sweden until they get into the EU?

How much does Turkey contribute to NATO again? Are they even making 1% GDP while the US puts in over 3%?

Maybe there should Regulation in NATO where you have contribute your min amount or you don't get to vote... lol.

That’s what the whole controversy has been about. Everybody wants Sweden in, but Erdogan specifically in Turkey wants to get something out of it.

Really smart by Erdogan and good for Turkey, but incredibly frustrating for everyone else. I’d rather keep Sweden out than give them anything else. Sweden is already close enough to NATO, and Finland is in.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

i agree with turkey keeping sweden out.
we don't need an african coutry in NATO.

 

[shinkyoku]

Brussels rejects Erdoğan's demand: NATO membership and EU accession are two 'separate' processes
"The European Union has a very structured process of enlargement, with a very, very clear set of steps that need to be taken by all candidate countries and even by those that wish to become candidate countries," Dana Spinant, deputy chief spokesperson of the European Commission, said on Monday afternoon.

"You cannot link the two processes."
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/...and-nato-membership-are-two-separate-processe

 

[shinkyoku]

BREAKING!!
Turkey approves of swedens NATO application.

Reports in swedish media and referrs to a press release by Jens Stoltenberg, Nato general secretary.
Will post link when I find it

 

[shinkyoku]

Press release
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_217147.htm

On this basis, and given the imperatives of the deterrence and defence of the Euro- Atlantic area, Türkiye will transmit the Accession Protocol for Sweden to the Grand National Assembly, and work closely with the Assembly to ensure ratification.

 

[shinkyoku]

Well now we are only waiting on Hungary to make good on their word that they will approve Sweden as well.

 

[shinkyoku]

Sorry we made you wait Finland!

 

[shinkyoku]

Turkey has agreed to support Swedens application For NATO membership
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_217147.htm

1. On 10 July, 2023, President Recep Tayyip Erdoǧan of Türkiye, Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson of Sweden, and NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg met at the NATO Summit in Vilnius.
   
2. Since the last NATO Summit, Sweden and Türkiye have worked closely together to address Türkiye’s legitimate security concerns. As part of that process, Sweden has amended its constitution, changed its laws, significantly expanded its counter- terrorism cooperation against the PKK, and resumed arms exports to Türkiye, all steps set out in the Trilateral Memorandum agreed in 2022.
   
3. Sweden and Türkiye agree today to continue their cooperation under both the Trilateral Permanent Joint Mechanism established at the Madrid NATO Summit 2022, and under a new bilateral Security Compact that will meet annually at ministerial level and create working groups as appropriate. At the first meeting of this Security Compact, Sweden will present a roadmap as the basis of its continued fight against terrorism in all its forms and manifestations towards the full implementation of all elements of the Trilateral Memorandum, including article 4. Sweden reiterates that it will not provide support to YPG/PYD, and the organisation described as FETÖ in Türkiye.
   
4. Both Sweden and Türkiye agreed that counter-terrorism cooperation is a long-term effort, which will continue beyond Sweden’s accession to NATO. Secretary General Stoltenberg also reconfirmed that NATO categorically condemns terrorism in all its forms and manifestations. NATO will be significantly stepping up its work in this area, including by the Secretary General establishing, for the first time at NATO, the post of Special Coordinator for Counter-Terrorism.
   
5. We commit to the principle that there should be no restrictions, barriers or sanctions to defence trade and investment among Allies. We will work towards eliminating such obstacles.
   
6. Sweden and Türkiye have also agreed to step up economic cooperation, through the Türkiye-Sweden Joint Economic and Trade Committee (JETCO). Both Türkiye and Sweden will look to maximise opportunities to increase bilateral trade and investments. Sweden will actively support efforts to reinvigorate Türkiye’s EU accession process, including modernisation of the EU-Türkiye Customs Union and visa liberalisation.
   
7. On this basis, and given the imperatives of the deterrence and defence of the Euro- Atlantic area, Türkiye will transmit the Accession Protocol for Sweden to the Grand National Assembly, and work closely with the Assembly to ensure ratification

 

[fungi]

They are pushing hard for WW3, eh?

P.s. and wtf is Türkiye?
Is this a new species of Thanksgiving bird?

Ts,

 

[panem-et-circenses]

I support Sweden

 

[shinkyoku]

They are pushing hard for WW3, eh?

P.s. and wtf is Türkiye?
Is this a new species of Thanksgiving bird?

Ts,

Cut and pasted from NATO official press release. So go suck a dildo!

 

[shinkyoku]

With Turkey officially supporting Swedens application, we are now only waiting for approval from Hungary. And Hungary has previously stated that they would not block swedens application as a sole objector.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ll-back-sweden-s-nato-entry-once-turkey-moves
Hungary will back Sweden’s bid to join the NATO military alliance once Turkey, the other holdout, gives a sign that it’s also ready to do so, Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said.

“If there’s movement there, then of course we’ll keep our pledge that Hungary won’t delay any country’s membership,” Szijjarto told reporters in Budapest

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

They are pushing hard for WW3, eh?

P.s. and wtf is Türkiye?
Is this a new species of Thanksgiving bird?

Ts,

I have a nephew in the armed forces now, so I'm definitely glad he's a POG.

I'm expecting declaration of war with Russia sometime before the election.