International China overtakes US in contributions to nature and science journals

[MicroBrew]

China are already ahead in one key field, quantum computing. I do a lot of work for a cambridge university professor he has a lot of post-grads come to work with him. They only take the absolute best. At least 30% are Chinese. China has both numbers and quality trust me.

The difference is when China decides to invest in something, it has the entire massive state behind it. In America it's more reliant on private companies albeit very powerful innovative ones like Google. It was Google's quantum computer that broke all the records in 2019. China surpassed it just 2 years later.

How does that prove China is ahead in quantum computing? The first quantum computer was invented in America.

The most advanced quantum computer is made by IBM and expected to debut this year.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/ibm-condor

 

[no fat chicks]

Ya, but they don't have people questioning the shape of the earth like Bryce Mitchell and Eddie bravo.

 

[Richmma80]

This has nothing to due with brains or education and everything to do with influence.

Bullshit

Genes don't just influence your IQ—they determine how well you do in school

https://www.science.org/content/art...your-iq-they-determine-how-well-you-do-school

 

[MicroBrew]

Most scientific contributions by Americans are mostly Asian too thou lol

The innovation cope is the funniest one to hear since most innovation has been done by asians for the last century..

So why does China keep ripping off Western technology? Why is Baidu, their premier search engine and a top internet services company, ripping off American A.I. products.

Below is my new thread on Baidu's A.I. being a rip off of American A.I.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/chinese-company-rips-off-open-a-i-products-fake-a-i.4293445/

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China's commerical plane manufacturer COMAC use American avionics and Euro-American engines. The US Justice Dept. also states that COMAC engaged in industrial espionage, stealing intellectual property from GE, Honeywell, CFM (Franco-American engine maker) and others. Comac also entered into a agreement with Canadian aerospace firm Bombardier

Several of the most technologically advanced components of China’s new passenger jet, including its engine, come from overseas

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-...t-be-more-home-grown-domestically-made-engine

But despite being billed as a home-grown passenger jet, several parts used for the C919 are imported from foreign manufacturers, including its engine, avionics, control systems, communications and landing gear. The C919’s current engine, the LEAP-1C, is made by CFM International, a joint venture between the US’ GE Aviation and France’s Safran Aircraft Engine. Exports of aerospace components from the US, including engines, are subject to licences granted by the US Department of Commerce.

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Why does America lead the world in Quantum Computing? How much of modern technology comes from China and how much comes from America? The whole computer and semiconductor field is primarily an American invention, with Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard playing a pivotal role in establishing Silicon Valley. Other major contributors were: Bell Labs, Fairchild Semiconductor, Texas Instruments, Xerox and many more.

The company that literally started Silicon Valley is moving to Texas
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/tech/silicon-valley-hpe-to-texas/index.html

 

[PEB]

It has been confirmed China latest x86 compatible CPU is virtually identical to an Intel 10th generation comet lake. Apparently they got their hands on the complete 14nm tooling and die fab process and got it to reproduce it on non AMSL methods likely they are making 14nm chips without AMSL technology in the pipeline. So based on this info they are around 3 or 4 generations behind at least Intel but they closed a lot of the gap in a short time. The pin out is also identical as the support chips used to get USB/ PCI as well as integrated video I think? No word obviously on their chip yields and cost to produce likely considerable amount of failure in the production process given the speed they have recovered the gap. But with the rumored spending by the Chinese Government to close this gap in a short time could have been as much as 50 billion dollars or more just in research.

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PowerLeader Announces x86 CPU for the Chinese Market, Looks like an Intel CPU
by TheLostSwede May 7th, 2023 06:17 Discuss (42 Comments)
Rather unexpectedly, a mostly unknown Chinese company called PowerLeader—who seems to have mainly been in the server market space until now—has launched an unheard of x86 compatible CPU. There's no product information on the company website, not even a press release on the CPU which was announced only yesterday according to IT Home. Fortunately, there's a picture of the new CPU, which gives us a few more details. The CPU appears to be called the Pstar P3 and has the model name P3-01105. Luckily the clock frequency of the CPU, which is 3.7 GHz, is also printed on the chip.

However, a closer look at the picture would have most people that are interested in tech scratching their heads, as it appears to be an Intel CPU using the LGA-1200 socket. Even the model name and what is supposedly the spec ID of the CPU, follows Intel's style of naming its CPUs. The comments on IT Home and elsewhere, all suggest that this is simply a re-branded Intel Core i3-10105 CPU, although it's entirely possible this is a chip that only looks like an Intel CPU. It's entirely possible that this is some kind of unannounced licensing deal by Intel, but if so, it would be the first such licensing deal Intel has done since the 286 days, to our knowledge. PowerLeader claims that the CPU is specifically designed for desktop computers and the company is expecting to sell 1.5 million units per year."

 

[panamaican]

But are any of those contributions worth a damn scientifically?

Which is the only thing that matters. Given their population advantage they're going to outpublish us. It would be silly to think otherwise. But if it's a bunch of low level or poorly done research, it's not an indication of superior product.

Unfortunately, the crap will drown out the gems. Who has time to legitimately peer review over 700,000 research papers annually?

 

[MicroBrew]

Which is the only thing that matters. Given their population advantage they're going to outpublish us. It would be silly to think otherwise. But if it's a bunch of low level or poorly done research, it's not an indication of superior product.

Unfortunately, the crap will drown out the gems. Who has time to legitimately peer review over 700,000 research papers annually?

From the O.P.
Last year, a report by Japan’s National Institute of Science and Technology Policy found that between 2018 and 2020, Chinese research accounted for a greater share of the top 1% of the most frequently cited papers than US studies.

Cited by whom? If it was cited by fellow Chinese academics, I am agnostic on the high value of these papers.

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Assuming it was cited by academics form the developed world, one still has to keep in mind that many of these papers had non Chinese collaberators. Considering Covid-19 papers influenced the increase, it's hardly surprising Chinese papers are being cited.

Citations of Chinese research have increased because of references to the sequencing of the Covid-19 genome. But although rankings of scientific research now place China ahead of the US, the two countries are the biggest bilateral research collaborators and many of China’s most-cited papers are produced in collaboration with international researchers.

 

[PEB]

China are already ahead in one key field, quantum computing. I do a lot of work for a cambridge university professor he has a lot of post-grads come to work with him. They only take the absolute best. At least 30% are Chinese. China has both numbers and quality trust me.

The difference is when China decides to invest in something, it has the entire massive state behind it. In America it's more reliant on private companies albeit very powerful innovative ones like Google. It was Google's quantum computer that broke all the records in 2019. China surpassed it just 2 years later.

Data of China's quantum computing research seems full of holes in terms of what type of quantum processing going on and we know not all QBits are the same as they say. On top of that new research into the way these very specialized materials may make quantum computing obsolete or into a hybrid when the realize it's just not possible to achieve true general purpose computational computing. IBM announced it's developing a 100,000 QBIT computer currently they hold the record with 4096 Qbit processing. By combining QBit chips together. I also believe that fusion reactors don't need to be completely toroidal.

Sam Altman of ChatGPT/Open AI fame believes there is a better way he invested over 100 million of his own money and got Microsoft to invest an undisclosed sum into a fusion process that will put in hydrogen and powerful magnets and and superheat it within a chamber to hit 100 million degrees/ This is like 10 times hotter then the sun and blast out enough energy to turn a turbine a huge one. Microsoft believes they will fully power their massive data center with just one of these things.

China just lacks the creativity to produce very unique technology like above.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I think China will be the world leader, as we watch America slowly decay before our eyes, and the values they once stood for erode away. The corruption, the tyrannical two-party system, it isn't going to last much longer. In the current state, America is too stubborn to allow the big changes which is needed to fix these issues. The two-party system hinders progress, as each side fight against each other. I think society will come crashing down at some point, either through a revolution of the people tired of current corrupt system, a financial collapse, or a war. The issues lie deeper as well, as any nation which rules by the principles of capitalism is destined to fail.

It is not a 2 party system that’s the problem. It’s brainwashed, utterly insane liberals being lied to by democratic owned mass media.
And now that you brought it up, please tell us how much better socialist regimes are. Why do Cubans float on inner tubes to flee to America if it’s that terrible.
Go live in Venezuela for a day.
You people amaze me.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Bullshit



https://www.science.org/content/art...your-iq-they-determine-how-well-you-do-school

What I meant in saying its all about influence is because now China can dictate what is written in these journals since they pretty much own them now. Please refer to the covid cover up by the WHO as reference?
You guys gotta stop getting your information from Whoopi Goldberg.

 

[Hdfi]

Doesn't really matter how many graduates they have, what matters is whether they can innovate and invent to surpass the US. The Dutch are a tiny country with a fraction of the STEM graduates yet they are most responsible for making the most advanced semi-conductor manufacturing machines. Without whom Taiwan's TSMC wouldn't be a world leader.

Quality > Quantity. And in this context there is no evidence quantity has a quality all its own.

China overtakes the US in terms of research quality, finds study
https://physicsworld.com/a/china-overtakes-the-us-in-terms-of-research-quality-finds-study/

You just can't accept what's really going on here, so a little historical perspective might give you an insight:

https://www.darrinqualman.com/china-share-global-economy/

Things are getting back to normal.

 

[Scheme]

China had 90% of their population in extreme poverty 40 years ago, and half 20 years ago. What they have done in such a short time is nothing short of spectacular.

I feel the true effects of all the woke propaganda that has recently plagued academia and the business world has yet to be really seen.

 

[panamaican]

From the O.P.
Last year, a report by Japan’s National Institute of Science and Technology Policy found that between 2018 and 2020, Chinese research accounted for a greater share of the top 1% of the most frequently cited papers than US studies.

Cited by whom? If it was cited by fellow Chinese academics, I am agnostic on the high value of these papers.

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Assuming it was cited by academics form the developed world, one still has to keep in mind that many of these papers had non Chinese collaberators. Considering Covid-19 papers influenced the increase, it's hardly surprising Chinese papers are being cited.

Citations of Chinese research have increased because of references to the sequencing of the Covid-19 genome. But although rankings of scientific research now place China ahead of the US, the two countries are the biggest bilateral research collaborators and many of China’s most-cited papers are produced in collaboration with international researchers.

I read the OP's link. They also referenced the total number of papers being published, not just the citation rate.

 

[weed]

what set them in the lead? creating covid 19?

 

[Orgasmo]

Walk into any science and engineering department of reputable universities in US and your only remaining surprise will be "what took so long?"