DNA tests are "troubling" for Turks. They are not from East Asia.

[MicroBrew]

The only thing that makes a Hungarian Hungarian is the language and geography. Not genetics or any other hodgepodge culturally Euro tradition.

Imagine Turkish arrogance thinking they're immune to the same mixing that has been happening globally for years beyond counting.

Turks are basically spitting on their ancestors and aiding the culture that enslaved them / conquered them. This is true for a lot of groups worldwide.

 

[original doom]

NOTE: have quoted select paragraphs, not the whole article



Popular DNA tests are troubling Turks and shaking belief in their “Turkishness” as they find that, instead of being direct descendants of the Seljuk and Ottoman hordes who surged into Anatolia from Central Asia a millennium ago, they are instead part of the kaleidoscope of peoples who have lived in what is now modern Turkey and migrated there since time began.

Issues such as what had happened to the survivors of the 1915 Armenian genocide and the presence of thousands of Greeks and Jews, but also millions of Kurdish citizens of the new republic were swept aside in often heavy-handed attempts to assimilate minorities or pressure them to leave the country altogether.

She said her family, from the northeastern province of Bayburt, had refused to believe that they had had Armenian, Italian and Greek links. “I told them the test was scientific, but they did not even want to listen,” she said.


Historians say that as the mass killings and deportations gathered pace, many young Armenian women were taken by local Turks and Kurds, or handed over by their families in order to save their lives, and that they then changed their religion and hid their roots.


“Before this test, we believed that Bayburt had only Turks. But people get married, they change religions voluntarily, or by force, they mix. Maybe my grandmother knew about it, but did not want to say because of social pressure,” Çelik said.


The reaction of Çelik’s family is similar to many. A 2012 book by Fethiye Çetin, a lawyer, tells the story of how she discovered her grandmother’s hidden identity and sparked a big debate about the Islamisation of non-Muslims. Another book named “The Grandchildren”, which Çetin wrote with academic Ayşe Gül Altınay, provides a collection of intimate, harrowing testimonies by the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of what are known as the forgotten Armenians.

A report in the journal Annals of Human Genetics in 2012 indicated the paternal ancestry of those living in Turkey was 38 percent European, 35 percent Middle Eastern, 18 percent South Asian and only 9 percent Central Asian. But DNA tests sometimes throw up even more surprising results

https://ahvalnews.com/turks/dna-based-tests-shake-turks-beliefs-their-turkishness

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https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...enerlogy-family-trees-ethnicity-a8234346.html

Only in Turkey is the identity of a citizen a matter of national security. That’s why the population registry in Ankara was until now a closed book, its details a state secret. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk’s definition of “Turkishness” was “anyone who is attached to the Turkish state as a citizen”. Turks came from a clear ethnic identity, untainted by racial minorities or doubtful lineage. That’s one reason why the Nazis lavished praise on Ataturk’s republic, their newspapers mourning his death in black-bordered front pages.


Rather a lot of Turks, it turned out, were actually Armenians – or part-Armenians – or even partly Greek or Jewish

Just think: you think you are a red-blooded Turk but turn out to be a pure-blood Armenian.”

what even is a pure blooded armenian and why do these articles always antagonise. are modern armenians even related to ancient armenians and even if anatolia does/did have a higher amount of R1B is it even from the armenians. i once read medieval armenians were largely wiped out by the mongols.

is this article saying modern turks are 38% R1B ? that is wayyyy too high.

 

[Harmonica]

None of the Italians or Greeks I've known who did them are too thrilled about them either tbh.

Is it because their illusions of being direct, pure-blooded descendants of Romans and Old Greeks were shattered or what?

 

[MicroBrew]

what even is a pure blooded armenian and why do these articles always antagonise. are modern armenians even related to ancient armenians and even if anatolia does/did have a higher amount of R1B is it even from the armenians. i once read medieval armenians were largely wiped out by the mongols.

is this article saying modern turks are 38% R1B ? that is wayyyy too high.

The pure blood comment was not the view of the article's author, it was from a Turkish journalist the Turkish paper Cumhuriyet. Sounded like the journalist was trying to drive home his point and was not literally arguing for or against pure blood status.

 

[kenetics]

Imagine caring about this shit...

Some people care about their ancestors and where they come from.

I really feel bad for you BOB . You must be lonely man .

 

[grimballer]

Not as troubling as for Montenegrins though.

Ironically Serb-Montenegrins descended from Brdani tribes who are known to be amongst the most nationalist Serbs score a high rate in E-V13 (The most dominant haplogroup amongst Albanians)


Although it reaches a solid amount throughout Europe , E-V13 reaches its peak in the Balkans amongst Greeks and Albanians (Indigenous Paleo Balkan people) while reaches its lowest (although still solid numbers) amongst South Slavs (7th century immigrants)

You’re still trying to promote your nonsense propaganda kid?

Original balkanians are i2 group

your E1b comes from North Africa.

 

[grimballer]

Armenians arent european though, or white.
it was mostly slavic people.
And most are anatolians who were living on the land when before the turks came to turkey.

this is why racial categorization makes no sense

White vs non white is subjective

 

[grimballer]

I think for the sake of stability ethnic borders should be political borders.


As someone from a country which has had the same problem as you’re reffering to , I think my country previous owner would’ve made themselves a lot of favors if they just let it go already instead of living in their own fantasy world.

Well ppl don’t like it when newcomers just steal their land n it’s sanctioned by powers that be

If you wanna live in your ethnostate just move to the country that’s southwest of you.

Unfortunately for you you’re not gonna get away with theft

 

[superpunch]

nm

 

[ocfightfan]

This is no surprise when you realize that islam calls for the violent subjugation of non-muslims, and taking their women as sex slaves. Any child born out of sex between a muslim and non-muslim is considered muslim. So they then take on the identity of the local muslim population.

 

[DC23]

We all descend from somewhere.

I only just found out the tanned Romanian Gypsies and such, actually stem from Indian origins. Mental.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

So what did they think their background was? Descendants of the Mongol hordes?

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Turks be like:

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Seems pretty similar to other conquered countries as well. Most countries have a small % of people, mostly the upper classes descended from conquerors and the rest descended from the conquered. If you looked at how many Mexicans are 100% Spanish, how many English people are purely Norman, how many people from Normandy have near 100% Danish ancestry, how many Sicilians are purely Arab or Norman, how many Spanish people have all Moorish genes, etc. its probably a similar percentage.

 

[sangreporsangre]

Is it because their illusions of being direct, pure-blooded descendants of Romans and Old Greeks were shattered or what?

 

[Rod1]

This is no surprise when you realize that islam calls for the violent subjugation of non-muslims, and taking their women as sex slaves. Any child born out of sex between a muslim and non-muslim is considered muslim. So they then take on the identity of the local muslim population.

At least these women were taken as wives and their sons as legitimate, as opposed to blacks in America where the women were just used and their childrens were not only not recognized, but also made slaves.

A lot of the problems of modern America would not exist if Americans had followed Turkish tradition when it came to wifing slaves.

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

Armenians arent european though, or white.
it was mostly slavic people.
And most are anatolians who were living on the land when before the turks came to turkey.

There’s no such thing as an Anatolian

The term Anatolia was created in the mid 1900s to replace armenian highlands to mask the land grab

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

At least these women were taken as wives and their sons as legitimate, as opposed to blacks in America where the women were just used and their childrens were not only not recognized, but also made slaves.

A lot of the problems of modern America would not exist if Americans had followed Turkish tradition when it came to wifing slaves.

Can’t really compare The situations really

when a Turk and a Bulgarian had it a kid they raised it as a Turk

would be hard for a white guy and black women to have one (especially back in the day) and raise it as white lol

 

[Prefect]

My brother got one these nationality blood test and it came back. My dad's side of the family came back from what is now germany and they all spoke german at home when my dad was growing up so they all had a pretty strong Germanic identity. The test came back showing that they didn't have a drop of german blood. Slav, french, russian, belgian, italian, british, swedish but not one drop of german blood. That was from a poor family of farmers who probably almsot never traveled from their village. So, I don't think you are going to find pure national blood lines any place except maybe in asia. Countries like China and Japan probably have had very little mixing of blood.

 

[Seso]

NOTE: have quoted select paragraphs, not the whole article



Popular DNA tests are troubling Turks and shaking belief in their “Turkishness” as they find that, instead of being direct descendants of the Seljuk and Ottoman hordes who surged into Anatolia from Central Asia a millennium ago, they are instead part of the kaleidoscope of peoples who have lived in what is now modern Turkey and migrated there since time began.

Issues such as what had happened to the survivors of the 1915 Armenian genocide and the presence of thousands of Greeks and Jews, but also millions of Kurdish citizens of the new republic were swept aside in often heavy-handed attempts to assimilate minorities or pressure them to leave the country altogether.

She said her family, from the northeastern province of Bayburt, had refused to believe that they had had Armenian, Italian and Greek links. “I told them the test was scientific, but they did not even want to listen,” she said.


Historians say that as the mass killings and deportations gathered pace, many young Armenian women were taken by local Turks and Kurds, or handed over by their families in order to save their lives, and that they then changed their religion and hid their roots.


“Before this test, we believed that Bayburt had only Turks. But people get married, they change religions voluntarily, or by force, they mix. Maybe my grandmother knew about it, but did not want to say because of social pressure,” Çelik said.


The reaction of Çelik’s family is similar to many. A 2012 book by Fethiye Çetin, a lawyer, tells the story of how she discovered her grandmother’s hidden identity and sparked a big debate about the Islamisation of non-Muslims. Another book named “The Grandchildren”, which Çetin wrote with academic Ayşe Gül Altınay, provides a collection of intimate, harrowing testimonies by the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of what are known as the forgotten Armenians.

A report in the journal Annals of Human Genetics in 2012 indicated the paternal ancestry of those living in Turkey was 38 percent European, 35 percent Middle Eastern, 18 percent South Asian and only 9 percent Central Asian. But DNA tests sometimes throw up even more surprising results

https://ahvalnews.com/turks/dna-based-tests-shake-turks-beliefs-their-turkishness

--
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...enerlogy-family-trees-ethnicity-a8234346.html

Only in Turkey is the identity of a citizen a matter of national security. That’s why the population registry in Ankara was until now a closed book, its details a state secret. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk’s definition of “Turkishness” was “anyone who is attached to the Turkish state as a citizen”. Turks came from a clear ethnic identity, untainted by racial minorities or doubtful lineage. That’s one reason why the Nazis lavished praise on Ataturk’s republic, their newspapers mourning his death in black-bordered front pages.


Rather a lot of Turks, it turned out, were actually Armenians – or part-Armenians – or even partly Greek or Jewish

Just think: you think you are a red-blooded Turk but turn out to be a pure-blood Armenian.”

Another thing is that the ottmans took from the ottoman controlled balkan areas christian kids (age 8- 20) from their parents and sended them to Istanbul and converted them forcefully to Islam and made them to a slave soldier of the ottoman empire. So relatives fought sometimes against eachother on the battlefield
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devshirme