International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Koya]

You know what would have put a damper on that mass immigration? Not ethnically cleansing Jews from literally every Islamic country in the world.

More than half of all Israelis that arrived during the period were from Islamic countries.


Not to mention, thousands of Arabs also immigrated into the region during the same time but no one has a problem calling them Palestinians today.

Yeah it had nothing to do with euopean antisemitism, european progroms, dreyfus affair and the rise of nazism. Noooothing. The leaders of the World Zionist Organization just laid it out amongst the many reasons of the creation of their movement but hey, its because of muslims you're here to correct even them on that point.

The hole in the ozone layer above Antartica is because of muslims too I guess

Oh and the usual zionism for beginner 101 booklet and "PaLeStiNiAnS dOn'T eXiSt" is getting old

You're a joke and literally support the same politics as Ben Gvir and Smotrich, no one takes you seriously anymore and your "I demand that you respect me I am a great history scholar !!!!" angry outbursts lol

 

[Fox by the Sea]

You might be an insane person.

yeah, i stopped reading at this.
goodbye.

 

[Blayt7hh]

yeah, i stopped reading at this.
goodbye.

Probably good because this assbeating wasn't going to get any better for you

 

[Koya]

You know what would have put a damper on that mass immigration? Not ethnically cleansing Jews from literally every Islamic country in the world.

More than half of all Israelis that arrived during the period were from Islamic countries.


Not to mention, thousands of Arabs also immigrated into the region during the same time but no one has a problem calling them Palestinians today.

What a load of bullshit by the way. Anyone can verify with a 2 minute google search that the clear majority of the jewish immigrant were from european countries, ESPECIALLY during the 1930's decade. For obvious reasons. You're just reciting propaganda by heart in hope that idiots won't verify your claims.

 

[scoopj]

there is no reason for the discussion NOT to go before october 7. that's insane to force that timeline on something that's been going on for generations. only people that have no way to fight arguments of the brutalization of the palestinians under the israeli regime are yelling about that.

and the definition of democracy doesn't end at who has the right to vote. if that was all that would be needed or a regime to be called a democracy, the third reich would also be paraded as one. Democracy includes vast precepts about minority rights, who in this case are the palestinians, that have been corralled like animals into open air prisons, for generations. why are you immediately running away from this aspect? why aren't you addressing this horror? why?

and of course raping of women and children is awful, vile. the attack was monstruous. now your turn - is keeping generations of palestinians in open air prisons, and endlessly brutalizing them, is that also not vile?

Which beach resort in the open air prison is your favorite? This is mine…

https://g.co/kgs/C6gCLyo

 

[Rational Poster]

What a load of bullshit by the way. Anyone can verify with a 2 minute google search that the clear majority of the jewish immigrant were from european countries, ESPECIALLY during the 1930's decade. For obvious reasons. You're just reciting propaganda by heart in hope that idiots won't verify your claims.

I mean sure you can move the goal post to fit your narrative but if you look at the entire time period and include all immigration into the region, more than half of the immigrants that arrived in total were from Arab countries after the Arab League declared war and lost. That's why even today non-European Jews have a slight majority in Israel.


And again, thousands of Arab immigrants as well. Never mind the fact that more than half the Mandate was gobbled up by Saudi royalty that had literally zero connection to the land.

 

[Koya]

I mean sure you can move the goal post to fit your narrative but if you look at the entire time period and include all immigration into the region, more than half of the immigrants that arrived in total were from Arab countries after the Arab League declared war and lost.

And again, thousands of Arab immigrants as well.

Where am I moving the goal post ? You say it's weird right wingers are not on the exact same line as you because security borders. I respond it's weird that they support zionism when they are against mass immigration and it's the greatest mass immigration of the 20th century wich waa enabled by the support of the united-Kingdom.

OBVIOUSLY a great historian as yourself like you claim to be would automatically understand its about the period from the creation of the Zionist Orgnization until 1939 because the UK supported the mass immigration of jewish zionist settlers by all means possible and imaginable until that date where they published the white papers after the 36-39 arab revolt and limited jewish emigration. Emigration from arab countries happened AFTER the state of israel was created.

If anything you're the one who either didn't understand shit or was voluntarily trying to move the goal post. Talking about borders or immigration is only shooting yourself in the foot, if anything the creation of the zionist state only happened because the biggest mass immigration of the 20th century happened beforehand, so it's a clear example of what will happen to your country when you let thousands and thousands of immigrants in. Not a good look for you if you were smart enough to realize.

Some proof to show how you're trying to blow us with a smokescreen as usual :

1- First Aliyah (1882–1903)
Main article: First Aliyah
Between 1882 and 1903, approximately 35,000 Jews immigrated to the Ottoman Palestine, joining the pre-existing Jewish population which in 1880 numbered 20,000-25,000. The Jews immigrating arrived in groups that had been assembled, or recruited. Most of these groups had been arranged in the areas of Romania and Russia in the 1880s. The migration of Jews from Russia correlates with the end of the Russian pogroms, with about 3 percent of Jews emigrating from Europe to Palestine.

2-Second Aliyah (1904–1914)
Main article: Second Aliyah
Between 1904 and 1914, 35–40,000 Jews immigrated to Ottoman Palestine. The vast majority came from the Russian Empire, in particular from the Pale of Settlement in Eastern Europe. Jews from other countries in Eastern Europe such as Romania and Bulgaria also joined. Jewish emigration from Eastern Europe was largely due to pogroms and outbreaks of anti-Semitism there. However, Mountain Jews from the Caucasus and Jews from other countries including Yemen, Iran, and Argentina also arrived at this time.

3-Third Aliyah (1919–1923)
Main article: Third Aliyah
Between 1919 and 1923, 40,000 Jews, mainly from Eastern Europe arrived in the wake of World War I. The British occupation of Palestine and the establishment of the British Mandate created the conditions for the implementation of the promises contained in the Balfour Declaration.

4- Fourth Aliyah (1924–1929)
Main article: Fourth Aliyah
Between 1924 and 1929, 82,000 Jews arrived, many as a result of increasing anti-Semitism in Poland and throughout Europe. The vast majority of Jewish immigrants arrived from Europe mostly from Poland, the Soviet Union, Romania, and Lithuania, but about 12% came from Asia, mostly Yemen and Iraq. The immigration quotas of the United States kept Jews out.

5-Fifth Aliyah (1929–1939)
Main article: Fifth Aliyah
Between 1929 and 1939, with the rise of Nazism in Germany, a new wave of 250,000 immigrants arrived; the majority of these, 174,000, arrived between 1933 and 1936, after which increasing restrictions on immigration by the British made immigration clandestine and illegal, called Aliyah Bet. The Fifth Aliyah was again driven almost entirely from Europe, mostly from Central Europe (particularly from Poland, Germany, Austria, and Czechoslovakia), but also from Greece. Some Jewish immigrants also came from other countries such as Turkey, Iran, and Yemen.

 

[James Eagle]

crusades 2.0 are starting

 

[Rational Poster]

Where am I moving the goal post ? You say it's weird right wingers are not on the exact same line as you because security borders. I respond it's weird that they support zionism when they are against mass immigration and it's the greatest mass immigration of the 20th century wich waa enabled by the support of the united-Kingdom.

OBVIOUSLY a great historian as yourself like you claim to be would automatically understand its about the period from the creation of the Zionist Orgnization until 1939 because the UK supported the mass immigration of jewish zionist settlers by all means possible and imaginable until that date where they published the white papers after the 36-39 arab revolt and limited jewish emigration. Emigration from arab countries happened AFTER the state of israel was created.

If anything you're the one who either didn't understand shit or was voluntarily trying to move the goal post.

Some proof to show how you're trying to blow us with a smokescreen as usual :

1- First Aliyah (1882–1903)
Main article: First Aliyah
Between 1882 and 1903, approximately 35,000 Jews immigrated to the Ottoman Palestine, joining the pre-existing Jewish population which in 1880 numbered 20,000-25,000. The Jews immigrating arrived in groups that had been assembled, or recruited. Most of these groups had been arranged in the areas of Romania and Russia in the 1880s. The migration of Jews from Russia correlates with the end of the Russian pogroms, with about 3 percent of Jews emigrating from Europe to Palestine.

2-Second Aliyah (1904–1914)
Main article: Second Aliyah
Between 1904 and 1914, 35–40,000 Jews immigrated to Ottoman Palestine. The vast majority came from the Russian Empire, in particular from the Pale of Settlement in Eastern Europe. Jews from other countries in Eastern Europe such as Romania and Bulgaria also joined. Jewish emigration from Eastern Europe was largely due to pogroms and outbreaks of anti-Semitism there. However, Mountain Jews from the Caucasus and Jews from other countries including Yemen, Iran, and Argentina also arrived at this time.

3-Third Aliyah (1919–1923)
Main article: Third Aliyah
Between 1919 and 1923, 40,000 Jews, mainly from Eastern Europe arrived in the wake of World War I. The British occupation of Palestine and the establishment of the British Mandate created the conditions for the implementation of the promises contained in the Balfour Declaration.

4- Fourth Aliyah (1924–1929)
Main article: Fourth Aliyah
Between 1924 and 1929, 82,000 Jews arrived, many as a result of increasing anti-Semitism in Poland and throughout Europe. The vast majority of Jewish immigrants arrived from Europe mostly from Poland, the Soviet Union, Romania, and Lithuania, but about 12% came from Asia, mostly Yemen and Iraq. The immigration quotas of the United States kept Jews out.

5-Fifth Aliyah (1929–1939)
Main article: Fifth Aliyah
Between 1929 and 1939, with the rise of Nazism in Germany, a new wave of 250,000 immigrants arrived; the majority of these, 174,000, arrived between 1933 and 1936, after which increasing restrictions on immigration by the British made immigration clandestine and illegal, called Aliyah Bet. The Fifth Aliyah was again driven almost entirely from Europe, mostly from Central Europe (particularly from Poland, Germany, Austria, and Czechoslovakia), but also from Greece. Some Jewish immigrants also came from other countries such as Turkey, Iran, and Yemen.

I mean isn't this goalpost move pretty obvious. The post you quoted I said 1948-current year. You have to add up literally decades of immigration and it still doesn't equal the Jewish expulsion from Arab countries and it took place over a much short period of time.

More than half of all Jewish immigration to the region were from Arab countries fleeing persecution, that is still a fact. It was also over a much shorter period of time than previous waves of immigrants.

The Arabs have just as much hand in forging the Israeli State if not more than the British. Their aggressive approach forced them to focus on their own security and they supplied them with hundreds of thousands of more immigrants.

 

[PhitePhan]

Leaving your CT aside for the moment let’s reflect on the fact that, in addition to Hamas not wanting 2SS, recent polls have shown that the Palestinian people overwhelmingly support Hamas, their 10/7 attack and future ones like it. That seems to indicate that the Palestinian people don’t really want the 2SS either. So if everyone is in agreement then war it is and there’s not a lot of whining to be done about the whole affair.

Israel supporting Hamas is far from a CT, unfortunately… and I’m not the first to notice that Israel and Hamas seem to be politically dependent on each other- to the detriment of your average Israeli or Palestinian citizen.

How Israel helped create Hamas​

“To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise... as Aaron David Miller, a Middle East expert at the Woodrow Wilson Center, observes, a strange, self-sustaining relationship remains. Israel's hawkish government — comprising many politicians who have little interest in seeing the creation of a separate Palestinian state — dwells on the security threat that Hamas's crude rockets pose. Hamas depends, Miller writes, on "an ideology and strategy steeped in confrontation and resistance."
And so, he concludes, they are "two parties who can't seem to live with one another — or apparently without one another either."

 

[Rational Poster]

Israel supporting Hamas is far from a CT, unfortunately… and I’m not the first to notice that Israel and Hamas seem to be politically dependent on each other- to the detriment of your average Israeli or Palestinian citizen.

How Israel helped create Hamas​

“To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise... as Aaron David Miller, a Middle East expert at the Woodrow Wilson Center, observes, a strange, self-sustaining relationship remains. Israel's hawkish government — comprising many politicians who have little interest in seeing the creation of a separate Palestinian state — dwells on the security threat that Hamas's crude rockets pose. Hamas depends, Miller writes, on "an ideology and strategy steeped in confrontation and resistance."
And so, he concludes, they are "two parties who can't seem to live with one another — or apparently without one another either."

lol did you even read this before you copy pasted it?

 

[PhitePhan]

Anyone that feels bad for Palestinian deaths should blame Hamas and its rape culture activities.

"There are eyewitness accounts of people hiding in bushes while girls and women were raped and shot in the head. There is evidence of a dead woman at the festival with rigor mortis, stripped from the waist down, legs spread apart, her body partly burned.


There has been testimony from a crying grandmother, a Holocaust survivor, who watched her granddaughter abused and murdered; testimonies of those retrieving victims with their heads cut off, teenagers found in puddles of blood, legs spread out, semen on their back with gun shot wounds to the back of their heads.

A couple tied together, clothes down, the woman clearly the victim of rape. And information emerging too from the Israel Defence Force interrogations of captured Hamas terrorists, who revealed they had manuals about how to rape, that the capture of children and babies was “to rape them” and of the women to “whore them, rape them, hurt them and interrogate them”.

MSN

Does Israel, as a country who fostered and supported Hamas’ rise, deserve any blame in your opinion?

 

[syct23]

crusades 2.0 are starting

More like the Spanish Inquisition 2.0

 

[KnightTemplar]

crusades 2.0 are starting

Not until the Pope reforms my old mob.

 

[KnightTemplar]

More like the Spanish Inquisition 2.0

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

 

[James Eagle]

Not until the Pope reforms my old mob.

your old mob would execute this pope

 

[syct23]

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Trust me,
Them conquistador are some assholes…

 

[Gunny]

Israel supporting Hamas is far from a CT, unfortunately… and I’m not the first to notice that Israel and Hamas seem to be politically dependent on each other- to the detriment of your average Israeli or Palestinian citizen.

How Israel helped create Hamas​

“To a certain degree, the Islamist organization whose militant wing has rained rockets on Israel the past few weeks has the Jewish state to thank for its existence. Hamas launched in 1988 in Gaza at the time of the first intifada, or uprising, with a charter now infamous for its anti-Semitism and its refusal to accept the existence of the Israeli state. But for more than a decade prior, Israeli authorities actively enabled its rise... as Aaron David Miller, a Middle East expert at the Woodrow Wilson Center, observes, a strange, self-sustaining relationship remains. Israel's hawkish government — comprising many politicians who have little interest in seeing the creation of a separate Palestinian state — dwells on the security threat that Hamas's crude rockets pose. Hamas depends, Miller writes, on "an ideology and strategy steeped in confrontation and resistance."
And so, he concludes, they are "two parties who can't seem to live with one another — or apparently without one another either."

“To a certain degree…”
“Strange self-sustaining relationship,,,”
“Depends on an ideology…”


Yep, those are the weasel words of a proper conspiracy theory. Nothing tangible about that claim whatsoever.

 

[mjfan23]

crusades 2.0 are starting

A little late, Christmas got cancelled in Jesus’s town Bethlehem this year due to an active genocide.

 

[Koya]

‘We’ve all lost weight’: the desperate struggle to find food in Gaza
More than 500,000 people face ‘catastrophe’ in besieged enclave, UN agencies warn

‘We’ve all lost weight’: the desperate struggle to find food in Gaza

More than 500,000 people face ‘catastrophe’ in besieged enclave, UN agencies warn

www.ft.com

https://archive.is/20240121084019/https://www.ft.com/content/e8b98b73-e8c5-4543-82a5-362a93c6cec1#selection-1507.0-1515.81

Amal Mohamed used to have to chase her young children around their Gaza home to make them finish their dinner. Now they are desperate for food but she can barely afford to feed them.
“We pretend to the children that we’re not hungry or too busy to eat,” said the Palestinian mother of two, whose family has been displaced from the north of the besieged enclave to Rafah in the south, where they share a tent crammed with relatives.
The price of food and firewood for cooking has soared, eating meat has become “a dream” and the adults have cut their food intake so the children can eat, she said. “We’ve all lost weight.”
The family is among more than 2mn people facing severe food shortages as Israel’s Gaza offensive enters its fourth month. UN officials have warned famine is looming. “The long shadow of starvation is stalking the people of Gaza, along with disease, malnutrition and other health threats,” UN secretary-general António Guterres said last week.

An aid truck crosses into Gaza at Kerem Shalom, one of only two entry points into the enclave © Kobi Wolf/Bloomberg

Gaza’s population has become almost completely reliant on external aid brought in via the only two entry points — Rafah on the border with Egypt and Kerem Shalom on the Israeli border. The enclave’s commercial farms have been damaged in the war and are largely out of commission. The aid, which includes flour, oil, rice, legumes and canned foods, is mainly delivered to UN warehouses for distribution to shelters and elsewhere, and people have to queue, sometimes for hours, to get food.
Israel had started to allow some commercial deliveries into Gaza but it was not enough, said Scott Anderson, deputy director of operations in Gaza for UNRWA, the main UN agency operating in the enclave.
With minimal food entering the territory, UN agencies warn of a deepening catastrophe. They have called on Israel to open more crossings and simplify its inspection process for trucks, and say the constant Israeli bombardment has impeded food distribution.
“People in Gaza risk dying of hunger just miles from trucks filled with food,” World Food Programme (WFP) executive director Cindy McCain said last week. “We can keep famine at bay but only if we can deliver sufficient supplies and have safe access to everyone in need.”
Gaza’s entire population is facing “crisis or worse levels of acute food insecurity”, according to an assessment cited by the WFP. More than 500,000 face “catastrophe”, defined as an extreme lack of food.

Displaced Palestinians prepare food as they shelter inside a damaged building in Rafah on Wednesday © AFP/Getty Images

In December, Human Rights Watch accused Israel’s government of using starvation “as a method of warfare” in Gaza, saying Israel was deliberately blocking delivery of water, food and fuel.
Israeli officials have consistently rejected such claims, pointing to daily deliveries into the territory, which Israel facilitates.
Israel launched its military campaign in Gaza in retaliation for the October 7 Hamas attack in which 1,200 people were killed, according to the Israeli government. Israel’s offensive has killed more than 24,000 Palestinians and displaced 85 per cent of the population, Gaza authorities say. The UN fears more deaths from starvation and disease.
“Infectious diseases are spreading in overcrowded shelters . . . People are facing the highest levels of food insecurity ever recorded. Famine is around the corner,” said UN relief chief Martin Griffiths.
Mazen Howeila, 55, displaced from the north with 20 family members and also living in a tent in Rafah, wept as he said: “We can’t take it any more. We eat only bread dipped in thyme. How long will our bodies hold out?”
The shelves in Gaza’s grocery stores are empty of all but a few basic goods such as tinned meat, beans and cheese. Almost no one has any income, putting the prices beyond their means. Fresh foods such as eggs and milk are scarce and prices high: a tray of 30 eggs reached Shk90 ($24) before falling back to about Shk50 — still three times the pre-war price — while milk costs about Shk12 a litre, double the pre-war level.
Anderson said hunger levels “get progressively worse as we go further north”, with near-starvation probable in devastated northern areas where an estimated 300,000 people remained largely beyond the reach of aid workers.

Parts of northern Gaza have been reduced to a wasteland​

Source: Planet Labs

UN officials said it was difficult to secure clearance from Israel to deliver aid in the north. “Many desperate people now approach our trucks to take food directly without waiting for distribution. By the time the Israeli authorities give our convoys the green light, the trucks are almost empty,” said Philippe Lazzarini, UNRWA commissioner-general, on Wednesday.
Just over 100 aid trucks entered Gaza on average each day but 600 were needed, Anderson said. Half would ideally be private operators bringing in goods for sale, which would restart trade and allow donors to give out cash rather than food aid, he added.
This would be more “dignified” for recipients and easier for the UN than transporting goods. “It’s hard to bring in flour for 2mn people at any scale, because it’s very bulky,” Anderson said.

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In Rafah, where 1.2mn displaced people are packed into overflowing apartments and UN facilities as well as tents, volunteers have taken to the streets to cook on wood fires and feed the hungry.
On a recent day, people crowded around a man ladling pasta and sauce into their bowls. He loudly admonished children to “move back or you will get burnt”.
Bakr al-Naji, 29, one of the cooks, said his group of 25 volunteers used donated ingredients to make 10,000 meals each day. “I get sad when we run out and there are still children waiting but we have nothing for them.”
Basel al-Lohi, 18, whose family fled the city of Khan Younis, said he came every day for the food, adding: “If I don’t, our only hope of eating would be if some kind person donated a piece of cheese or something.”
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