Social John Cena profusely apologizes to Chinese netizens and China for calling Taiwan a country

[KnightTemplar]

If there's a hell, I'm going there for how hard I just laughed at a concentration camp joke.

Whoever gets there first buys the beers, bro

 

[Plissken]

Well he already had the C and na in his last name.

 

[luckyshot]

The feeling's mutual.

What I mean, is that you usually seem willing and capable of trying to reach an objective perspective.

Now, you bring up Germany. If Germany was lecturing other countries on behavior in 1955, how much credibility would it have?

You are calling China a "brutal" regime, and that is true, but you are, for some reason, resisting the evidence that-- from an international perspective, certainly-- the US has been MORE brutal and aggressive.

And if you weigh evidence with any sort of objectivity, I don't think that's even a debatable point.

I get a real bad feeling when normally reasonable people seem like they are losing the ability to have a balanced perspective... it's usually a sign that the winds are blowing in a bad direction.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

Talking all hard about China is the new, cool way of online virtue signaling, apparently.

Cena said this : "Taiwan will be the first country to see 'Fast & Furious 9,"

 

[ChickenBrother]

I'm no fan of the CCP but Cena learning fluent Mandarin in his free time is damn impressive.

The man is a paid brand ambassador for himself and the F&F franchise - he's just doing what effective ambassadors, politicians and salesmen anywhere in the world do: kowtowing to his target demographic while trying to minimize fallout from other demographics.

He'd have to be a complete moron to go full shill in either direction.

 

[aus101]

What I mean, is that you usually seem willing and capable of trying to reach an objective perspective.

Now, you bring up Germany. If Germany was lecturing other countries on behavior in 1955, how much credibility would it have?

You are calling China a "brutal" regime, and that is true, but you are, for some reason, resisting the evidence that-- from an international perspective, certainly-- the US has been MORE brutal and aggressive.

And if you weigh evidence with any sort of objectivity, I don't think that's even a debatable point.

I get a real bad feeling when normally reasonable people seem like they are losing the ability to have a balanced perspective... it's usually a sign that the winds are blowing in a bad direction.

The western world depends upon America for protection (Germany, Japan, Israel, Canada, South Korea and Australia do, while Britain and France have their Nukes, with strong historical ties and alliances to America as well).

Middle eastern and communist states might view America more harshly but the majority of the worlds top countries by gdp, the gross domestic product of the world (the entire top 12 aside from China and russia) rely or are allied to it.

 

[evansusmc2]

Well, let's see, currently it's year 19 of our little Afghanistan adventure.

We already stole the Texas and Califronia from Mexico a while ago, stole Hawaii, knocked over the Philippines, etc.

It's been a couple of decades since we funded death squads to murder people we didn't like in Latin America, but most of those countries are still dealing with the fallout.

I mean, I am glad t8 be a citizen of America rather than China currently, given our relative levels of individual freedom, but I'll be damned if, I'm going to pretend to have some moral high horse.

Or get all worked up over the dastardly Yellow Peril... plenty of other people seem spoiling for that fight.

Count me out.

The vast majority of Afghans were thankful for us being there and helping build some kind of infrastructure and schools. And not sure if you realize this but not all Afghans want to get perpetually butt-fu%*ed by the Taliban.
Source: I served 3 tours there.

We did what to the Philippines and when? So obviously we’re no longer welcomed in the Philippines?
Source: been there 2 times in 2019.

And about Texas and CA... hey, welcome to lawlessness of a couple hundred years ago.

 

[luckyshot]

The vast majority of Afghans were thankful for us being there and helping build some kind of infrastructure and schools. And not sure if you realize this but not all Afghans want to get perpetually butt-fu%*ed by the Taliban.
Source: I served 3 tours there.

We did what to the Philippines and when? So obviously we’re no longer welcomed in the Philippines?
Source: been there 2 times in 2019.

And about Texas and CA... hey, welcome to lawlessness of a couple hundred years ago.

Yeah, and I'm sure the vast majority of Iraqis were glad we blew their country up.

And the vast majority of Vietnamese were glad we decided to light them on fire (especially the two million who died).

And the vast majority of Salvadorans and Nicaraguans are glad we trained death squads to murder priests and nuns and make sure they didn't preach socialism...

Come to think of it, we've only done great things!

Source: USA! USA! USA!

 

[evansusmc2]

Yeah, and I'm sure the vast majority of Iraqis were glad we blew their country up.

And the vast majority of Vietnamese were glad we decided to light them on fire (especially the two million who died).

And the vast majority of Salvadorans and Nicaraguans are glad we trained death squads to murder priests and nuns and make sure they didn't preach socialism...

Come to think of it, we've only done great things!

Source: USA! USA! USA!

Wow..... uuuumm OK. Either you are replying to someone else or you just ran into a wall and decided to drift away from having to answer anything I wrote.

Never said the Iraq war was pretty. It was mainly a waste of time. Source: I spent a year there.

Never mentioned Vietnam and I’ve posted a few times already how pointless it was. Ever talked to anyone from Vietnam? Even they feel it was a shitfest with no real winner.
Source: Been to Saigon twice in 2019 and once in early 2020.

Never mentioned anything about “Nic../ Sal.. bla bla ” and haven’t even done much research on it.

Never said the US has “only done good things”. But then again, not many countries have a history of clean hands.

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

That piece of shit typed that during a break from justifying ethnic cleansing in East Jerusalem, so yeah, that's an accurate description of him.

Where do you get your propaganda from?

 

[MacGregor]

 

[ChickenBrother]

Yeah, and I'm sure the vast majority of Iraqis were glad we blew their country up.

And the vast majority of Vietnamese were glad we decided to light them on fire (especially the two million who died).

And the vast majority of Salvadorans and Nicaraguans are glad we trained death squads to murder priests and nuns and make sure they didn't preach socialism...

Come to think of it, we've only done great things!

Source: USA! USA! USA!

Most of the Iraqis I worked with in Baghdad were happy to be rid of Saddam - he was an asshole and his son Uday would sniff around high schools trolling for girls to rape - one of the women I worked with had been selected.

With hindsight the Iraq side adventure has been a bust. Hobbled from the get go by poor leadership and the original premise was half-baked.

But fuck Hogan anyway. Bald, hotdog-skinned shill. Ultimate Warrior was barbaric and insane but was upfront about it, and the people loved him for it.

 

[White Whale]

All the steroids he took caused his estrogen levels to go through the roof.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

What's more bizarre to me in this situation is that John Cena is a former Marine, and practically pledged his allegiance to China...

And CM Punk, who I know is a big liberal, is the one practically saying 'Fuck China.'

In order to do business or even work period in a lot of US states these days, you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign country, so not all that unprecedented, unfortunately. A speech pathologist at an elementary school in Texas was fired for refusing to do so. And that's literally against the tenets of certain religious groups like Quakers, Mennonites, Moravians and others, so it violates their 1st Amendment rights in more ways than one. Even victims of Hurricane Harvey had to sign a loyalty pledge to a foreign country, but not to the U.S. before they could receive assistance.

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/israel-texas-anti-bds-law/

 

[Protectandserve]

This bums me out. Cena seemed to be a pretty decent dude. Lots of make a wish stuff, wrote a good kids book, etc.

The China pandering is just out of control with celebs right now.

 

[Islam Imamate]

What I mean, is that you usually seem willing and capable of trying to reach an objective perspective.

Now, you bring up Germany. If Germany was lecturing other countries on behavior in 1955, how much credibility would it have?

You are calling China a "brutal" regime, and that is true, but you are, for some reason, resisting the evidence that-- from an international perspective, certainly-- the US has been MORE brutal and aggressive.

And if you weigh evidence with any sort of objectivity, I don't think that's even a debatable point.

I get a real bad feeling when normally reasonable people seem like they are losing the ability to have a balanced perspective... it's usually a sign that the winds are blowing in a bad direction.

One thing you're missing here is that you're solely sticking to foreign policy for some reason and actively trying to avoid the point I am making, that China is one of the most oppressive countries to some of its internal minorities and that it has irredentist claims over a soverign nation which as far as I know the US does not. That makes China a uniquely bad actor in a way that the U jut isn't and "b-both sides" and whataboutisms don't change that.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

John Cena is the man. Got to respect a dude who can admit when he is wrong. Its why he is in my top 3 wrestlers of all time. Him, Stone Cold and Bret the Hitman hart.

 

[luckyshot]

One thing you're missing here is that you're solely sticking to foreign policy for some reason and actively trying to avoid the point I am making, that China is one of the most oppressive countries to some of its internal minorities and that it has irredentist claims over a soverign nation which as far as I know the US does not. That makes China a uniquely bad actor in a way that the U jut isn't and "b-both sides" and whataboutisms don't change that.

I am not arguing with the idea that China is oppressive in its domestic policy.

I'm arguing with the conclusion: "That makes China a uniquely bad actor in a way that the U jut isn't and 'b-both sides' and whataboutisms don't change that."

You accuse me of ignoring their domestic policy, but you are ignoring our foreign policy.

Say what you want about the oppressiveness of the CCP, but they have managed not to blow up anyone else's country.

So I am at least as justified in reaching the conclusion "That makes the US a uniquely bad actor in a way that China jut isn't and 'b-both sides' and whataboutisms don't change that."

 

[Islam Imamate]

I am not arguing with the idea that China is oppressive in its domestic policy.

I'm arguing with the conclusion: "That makes China a uniquely bad actor in a way that the U jut isn't and 'b-both sides' and whataboutisms don't change that."

You accuse me of ignoring their domestic policy, but you are ignoring our foreign policy.

Say what you want about the oppressiveness of the CCP, but they have managed not to blow up anyone else's country.

So I am at least as justified in reaching the conclusion "That makes the US a uniquely bad actor in a way that China jut isn't and 'b-both sides' and whataboutisms don't change that."

The difference between us is that I am staying on topic and talking about the actual subject of the thread instead of deflecting to issues that have nothing to do with the thread like you are. This whole thread was created around the issue of Taiwan, a case where a country that has been sovereign for decades is still claimed a by China and where any recognition of Taiwan leads to a backlash from the Chinese and in response to that you want to play "whataboutism" and carry water for the Chinese for some reason.

If this was a thread about US foreign policy blunders I wouldn't do what you're doing here and deflect to some other country. If you want to talk about US foreign policy blunders then make that thread and I'd happily contribute to it with on topic discussion instead of deflecting and minimizing like you are here in favor of the CCP.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

In order to do business or even work period in a lot of US states these days, you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign country, so not all that unprecedented, unfortunately.

Name one of those countries that are communist.